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This is the place to talk about Sony's much anticipated A10 series LCD rear projection televisions.

Sony is currently releasing new LCD sets for 2005/2006. More info will be added as it becomes available.

Please post initial sightings, owner reviews, tweaks/calibration settings, issues/problems and tips 'n tricks with these new sets.

Do not talk street pricing, MSRP only.



Availability:

A10 Series (42" and 50" models): Late July/Early August (as of 7/22, should be shipping any day)

A10 Series Inputs:

Input(s): PC Input (D-sub 15) + Audio Input (Stereo Mini) 1 (0 Front / 1 Rear)

Input(s): HDMI + Audio L&R 1 ( 1 Rear) connector

Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr ) Input(s): 3 (1 Front / 2 Rear)

S-Video Input(s): 1 (1 Rear)

Composite Video Input(s): 3 (1 Front / 2 Rear)

Input(s): RF 75-ohm F-type 1 (1 Rear)

Input(s): Cable 75-ohm F-type (1 (1 Rear)

Input(s): CableCARD PCMCIA-type 1 (1 Rear) slot

Input(s): Total Audio Input (LR, RCA-pin) excluding HDMI 5 (1 Front / 4 Rear)

Digital Audio Output(s): (Optical) 1 (0 Front / 1 Rear)

Headphone Output(s): 1 (1 Front / 0 Rear)

Audio Output: Audio Output (Variable/Fixed) 1 (1 Rear)



Sony KDF-E42A10 42" Rear Projection LCD Display

MSRP $1999 as of 7/22/05

Dimensions (WxHxD)

39 3/8"×28 1/2"×14 1/8" (999×722×357mm)

42" box dimensions - 43.5" x 33.5" x 18.5"

Sony Link To KDF-E42A10



Sony KDF-E50A10 50" Rear Projection LCD Display

MSRP $2499 as of 7/22/05

Dimensions (WxHxD)

46 5/8"×32 5/8"×16 1/8" (1184×827×408mm)

50" box dimensions - 50" x 37" x 20.5"

Sony Link To KDF-E50A10

What we know so far: The A10 series has an Advanced Iris which is supposed to improve contrast/black level. To what degree we do not know, but the only Sony front projector (VPL-HS51) with this feature has received very good reviews on contrast/black level.


Owners Manuals:

Sony KDF-XXA10 Manual

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I think a 50" set would be pushing my luck for the size room I have available. The front projector folks are pretty happy with the advanced iris on the VPL-HS51, so I think this will be a pretty exciting year for LCD rear projection.

Here's a review on the VPL-HS51 with the advanced iris:

http://www.theperfectvision.com/new...tpv61/sony.html

I'll be curious to see what the PC input can do as well for resolution settings and refresh rates. It will be fun to get some games up on the big screen.

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Yeah...I think the advanced iris will be a great improvement. However, i never had a problem with LCD blacks anyway.
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Would have been nice to have kept the new A10/A20's together since the A10's are limited to 42 and 50" so the A20's are the extension of the line above that.
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I disagree. They are quite different TVs.

Thank you for splitting the A10s to their own thread.
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Then he needs to either create yet another "official" thread for the A20's, or have the mods rename his original "official" thread to just the A20's. Right now we have about five different threads pertaining to the A10's with information everywhere. All's this thread did was add to the confusion.
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Then he needs to either create yet another "official" thread for the A20's, or have the mods rename his original "official" thread to just the A20's. Right now we have about five different threads pertaining to the A10's with information everywhere. All's this thread did was add to the confusion.

The old threads have a lot of speculation and months of rambling. It's time to start something new in my opinion....

I have notified the mods to modify the original topic to include A20 only.....

Its only a forum guys, its not the end of the world

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I also saw a 50A10 in person earlier this week, and posted my first impressions in the gigantic A10/A20 thread. Here's the link to my post - hope you find it helpful:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post5918200

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I also saw a 50A10 in person earlier this week, and posted my first impressions in the gigantic A10/A20 thread. Here's the link to my post - hope you find it helpful:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post5918200


Our store's unit arrived, yesterday. I've lowered the price on all competitive products. At it's price point, it is pretty special. Wish it had more HMDI and at least one 1394. But form factor and picture are great. I find the SD (didn't test DVD) from satellite or antenna much better than the other units. HD is great, so is the size and price.

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I was just reviewing the manual for the first time. I'm disappointed that there isn't a justify-type stretch mode where the center is left alone and only the edges are stretched. My in-laws have that on their Panasonic and I think that it is the best stretch mode for 4:3 by far.
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Would have been nice to have kept the new A10/A20's together since the A10's are limited to 42 and 50" so the A20's are the extension of the line above that.

You are so yesterday. It has been discussed and agreed upon by the powers that be! So, let it go
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I know..resistance was futile, I was assimilated.

But remember, when people start asking about the 55" inch A10's in here...I told ya so.
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Are there ANY differences at all between the Sony KDF-E50A10 or KDF-E42A10 models? Anything that might be in one model and NOT in the other. Also, which model do you think would most like have a clear and sharper picture? I would suspect the smaller 42 would, though I may well be wrong. Please answer before 5PM CST Sunday as I need to make a decision between the 42 OR 50" model. Thanks!
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This is a repeat post but I have a Mass dealer with a decent price. PM me for details.

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Are there ANY differences at all between the Sony KDF-E50A10 or KDF-E42A10 models? Anything that might be in one model and NOT in the other. Also, which model do you think would most like have a clear and sharper picture? I would suspect the smaller 42 would, though I may well be wrong. Please answer before 5PM CST Sunday as I need to make a decision between the 42 OR 50" model. Thanks!

I don't believe there are any differences except for size. They both use the same bulb. I'm sure the lenses are slightly different since you have to project a 50" screen vs. 42". You are right, the 42" will have the clearer and sharper picture, but really the difference will be minimal and will not be noticeable depending upon how far you are sitting away from the TV.

What are the dimensions of your room?

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I know..resistance was futile, I was assimilated.

But remember, when people start asking about the 55" inch A10's in here...I told ya so.

Hahaha, hey it wasn't anything personal....just trying to appease the masses, thats all

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I also saw a 50A10 in person earlier this week, and posted my first impressions in the gigantic A10/A20 thread. Here's the link to my post - hope you find it helpful:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post5918200

That was a great review, thanks for posting the link. It's interesting, the Sony advertising states that the Iris automatically adjusts as necessary depending upon the signal, however the settings in the menu would seem to dictate otherwise.

Does anyone know how the front project VPL-HS51 handles the iris? This is interesting to say the least. Hopefully the setting in the menu system is just how far the iris will open up.

No chance you saw the sticker on the back for a manufacturing date? I'd be curious to see how long Sony has been putting these things together.

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Our store's unit arrived, yesterday. I've lowered the price on all competitive products. At it's price point, it is pretty special. Wish it had more HMDI and at least one 1394. But form factor and picture are great. I find the SD (didn't test DVD) from satellite or antenna much better than the other units. HD is great, so is the size and price.

Interesting that the SD content looks much better. I wonder what Sony did to enhance these models? I'm assuming a better scaler?

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How is the SDE on the 50" A10? I was looking at the previous model 3LCD 55" model and it's fairly noticeable (especially to my wife). Would it be less noticeable on the 42"?
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I think a 50" set would be pushing my luck for the size room I have available. The front projector folks are pretty happy with the advanced iris on the VPL-HS51, so I think this will be a pretty exciting year for LCD rear projection.

Here's a review on the VPL-HS51 with the advanced iris:

http://www.theperfectvision.com/new...tpv61/sony.html

I'll be curious to see what the PC input can do as well for resolution settings and refresh rates. It will be fun to get some games up on the big screen.


What size room do you have and how far will you be sitting? I've gotta decide on the new Sony 42 or 50 inch in the next 24 hours. If possible, please reply asap. Thanks!
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Then he needs to either create yet another "official" thread for the A20's, or have the mods rename his original "official" thread to just the A20's. Right now we have about five different threads pertaining to the A10's with information everywhere. All's this thread did was add to the confusion.

This new thread will become the one and only simply because the sets are here now. Totally different discussion now, no more speculation. The fact is this thread will be the one to go to if you are interested in the A10 series. The 42" and 50" are the exact same except for screen size. Much of the upcoming conversation will be the effectivness (or lack thereof) of the Cinema Black Pro feature which is not in the A20's. There will be a discussion on the physical characteristics of the A10 which also will have nothing to do with the A20's. I believe most people by now realize that the A10's only go up to 50", so anyone looking for a bigger screen will not find this thread relevant. Hopefully, people not as familiar with the A10's will read the thorough original post by CFoote stating the specs, this will alleviate posts not relevant to this thread. Basically, this thread becomes a one TV thread only, the A10 series. Wow, i haven't mentioned the word thread this many times since i was a senior in knitting school...LOL.
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What size room do you have and how far will you be sitting? I've gotta decide on the new Sony 42 or 50 inch in the next 24 hours. If possible, please reply asap. Thanks!

I have a 16' (width) by 11' (depth) room. My viewing distance is 7 ft from the TV. I think 50" is going to be pushing my luck, but who knows....

kmil, what are the specs of your room?

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So I wonder if the A10's are supposed to be replaced by the soon to be released 50" sxrd models? It's funny that most of each models only come in 2 sizes? It really sucks that the A10's are coming in only sizes up to 50". You will have to sacrifice slight picture quality to get the bigger size sets. Hmmmm.....
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I know..resistance was futile, I was assimilated.

But remember, when people start asking about the 55" inch A10's in here...I told ya so.

If people ask about the A20's, they will be....uh....
well, uh...terminated!!!!!!!!!
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This new thread will become the one and only simply because the sets are here now. Totally different discussion now, no more speculation. The fact is this thread will be the one to go to if you are interested in the A10 series. The 42" and 50" are the exact same except for screen size. Much of the upcoming conversation will be the effectivness (or lack thereof) of the Cinema Black Pro feature which is not in the A20's. There will be a discussion on the physical characteristics of the A10 which also will have nothing to do with the A20's. I believe most people by now realize that the A10's only go up to 50", so anyone looking for a bigger screen will not find this thread relevant. Hopefully, people not as familiar with the A10's will read the thorough original post by CFoote stating the specs, this will alleviate posts not relevant to this thread. Basically, this thread becomes a one TV thread only, the A10 series. Wow, i haven't mentioned the word thread this many times since i was a senior in knitting school...LOL.

Yeah,
But what about the 55" model?
How does all of this affect the 55" model??





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I have a 16' (width) by 11' (depth) room. My viewing distance is 7 ft from the TV. I think 50" is going to be pushing my luck, but who knows....

kmil, what are the specs of your room?

Around 15 by 20 feet approximately with us sitting 13 feet from the screen. My main concern was the possibility of seeing SSE or SDE. Also, I'm concerned with the possibility that the picture quality of the 50 will not be as good as the 42, which is to say, perhaps not as crisp/sharp. What do you think?
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So I wonder if the A10's are supposed to be replaced by the soon to be released 50" sxrd models? It's funny that most of each models only come in 2 sizes? It really sucks that the A10's are coming in only sizes up to 50". You will have to sacrifice slight picture quality to get the bigger size sets. Hmmmm.....

Nah, SXRD is a totally different technology and will be right along side the Rear PJ LCD models. There are different price points too, for now anyways....

Does anyone have a A10 on pre-order? Someone has to have this thing already!

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Around 15 by 20 feet approximately with us sitting 13 feet from the screen. My main concern was the possibility of seeing SSE or SDE. Also, I'm concerned with the possibility that the picture quality of the 50 will not be as good as the 42, which is to say, perhaps not as crisp/sharp. What do you think?

At 13 feet from the screen, you'll be hard pressed to notice any Screen Door Effect. As others have mentioned in other posts, you might want to consider a 60" screen from that distance. Have you gone to any stores yet and sat 13 feet away from a 42" screen? It's going to be kind of small!

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This new thread will become the one and only simply because the sets are here now. Totally different discussion now, no more speculation. The fact is this thread will be the one to go to if you are interested in the A10 series. The 42" and 50" are the exact same except for screen size. Much of the upcoming conversation will be the effectivness (or lack thereof) of the Cinema Black Pro feature which is not in the A20's. There will be a discussion on the physical characteristics of the A10 which also will have nothing to do with the A20's. I believe most people by now realize that the A10's only go up to 50", so anyone looking for a bigger screen will not find this thread relevant. Hopefully, people not as familiar with the A10's will read the thorough original post by CFoote stating the specs, this will alleviate posts not relevant to this thread. Basically, this thread becomes a one TV thread only, the A10 series. Wow, i haven't mentioned the word thread this many times since i was a senior in knitting school...LOL.

There are knitting schools?

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Would any of you buy this tv sight unseen? Im really liking the pricing on this tv and it has all the specs im looking for.. Or should I just wait for the local retailers to get it in stock?

Oh yea one other question... How will this tv perform for say HD football? Any motion blur?

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