Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread - Page 4 - AVS Forum
First ... 2  3  4 5  6  ... Last
Rear Projection Units > Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread
JasonColeman's Avatar JasonColeman 02:09 PM 09-29-2005
Well, I'm officially a member. I just came from Jesus's shop where my SXRD was waiting patiently for me. I was planning on having it delivered on Saturday morning, but I'm tempted to borrow my neighbor's truck and pick it up myself tonight! Unfortunately, I've got one more coat of oil to put on the TV stand, so I probably won't get it hooked up until Saturday anyways, but damn I'd love to have that puppy sitting in my living room sooner!

Jason

JimP 02:18 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoPro View Post

I've read the KDS-R60XBR1 manual page to page... and there is no reference to 1080p what so ever!

There isn't even a reference that this TV is supposed to up-convert incoming signals to 1080p.

Sony's Website doesn't even suggest the KDS-R60XBR1 has anything to do with 1080p.

The only place that I've seen that this TV supports 1080p on any level, is the Crutchfield Website, and this forum.

I've seen the Qualia .006, and I agree that the picture quality was one of the best I've ever seen from a RPTV, so I expect the picture quality of the KDS-R60XBR1 will be as good since according to Sony, they use the same LCoS design.

I'm so glad you are happy with your set. I can't wait to finally see one of these TV's... there sure has been a lot of hype!

But, 1080p?... where are people getting their info?


I see what you are saying. However, if you multiply 1920 by 1080, you get 2,073,600 which agrees with the number of pixels per panel as shown on page 115 of 120 on the row where it says SXRD Panel.
Uninvited Guest's Avatar Uninvited Guest 02:25 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonColeman View Post

Well, I'm officially a member. I just came from Jesus's shop where my SXRD was waiting patiently for me. I was planning on having it delivered on Saturday morning, but I'm tempted to borrow my neighbor's truck and pick it up myself tonight! Unfortunately, I've got one more coat of oil to put on the TV stand, so I probably won't get it hooked up until Saturday anyways, but damn I'd love to have that puppy sitting in my living room sooner!

Jason

There is much sucking in the universe at the moment!!! I'll keep waiting... I'm fine

Seriously, that's fantastic!

Shoot me some pics when you get time.
HomeGuy's Avatar HomeGuy 02:42 PM 09-29-2005
Specifications General Features

Channel Fix

ID1 Detection


Video

Native Resolution: 1920 x 1080

Aspect Ratio: 16:9

Viewing Angle: 60 degrees

Tuner: ATSC/8VSB
CFoote's Avatar CFoote 02:45 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonColeman View Post

Well, I'm officially a member. I just came from Jesus's shop where my SXRD was waiting patiently for me. I was planning on having it delivered on Saturday morning, but I'm tempted to borrow my neighbor's truck and pick it up myself tonight! Unfortunately, I've got one more coat of oil to put on the TV stand, so I probably won't get it hooked up until Saturday anyways, but damn I'd love to have that puppy sitting in my living room sooner!

Jason

Jason!!!! Go get that beast and hook it up!!!!
MoPro 03:20 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I see what you are saying. However, if you multiply 1920 by 1080, you get 2,073,600 which agrees with the number of pixels per panel as shown on page 115 of 120 on the row where it says SXRD Panel.

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does pixel count have to do with a progressive output?

I mean, Isn't it true that just because the LCoS panels have a high resolution, doesn't mean that the TV is outputting a progressive signal, or both halves of the interlaced signal simultaneously.

Having high res. components are great if Sony is actually using it for that purpose, but what if they are not.

You could be all dressed up for the party, but totally uninvited.

I believe it might be a little hasty, and even reckless to make any assumptions, or to put any words in the manufacturers mouth.

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but rather just making an observation!

I've read a lot of articles that suggest that many manufacturers have found some creative ways to advance the technology more quickly, but with a heavier emphasis on doing it cheaply, and in some cases to the detriment of quality... but that's nothing new!

Call me cynical, but for that kind of money... I'd want to be sure.
empire_of_one's Avatar empire_of_one 03:33 PM 09-29-2005
All microdisplays are progressive. The resolution is 1920x1080. Put 2 and 2 together. That equals a 1080p display.

And TVs display a signal, the don't output a signal. What are you gonna output it to... another TV?
MoPro 04:27 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by empire_of_one View Post

All microdisplays are progressive. The resolution is 1920x1080. Put 2 and 2 together. That equals a 1080p display.

And TVs display a signal, the don't output a signal. What are you gonna output it to... another TV?

I guess you're right!

I suppose I,m using the word's progressive, and deinterlacing interchangeably, and that's just plain wrong, so I stand corrected...thanks!

I'm sorry, but TV's do output signals...true they also display them, but since you're being precise, TV's process many types of signals internally, and then outputs them in many different ways.

Why do you think they put all those connections on the back!

Even pictures on a screen can be considered output... but whatever!
Marc Alexander's Avatar Marc Alexander 04:35 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoPro View Post

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does pixel count have to do with a progressive output?

You are quite correct. A 1920 x 1080 panel can produce 1920x1080p or 1920x2160i (or in the case of DLP, wobulated 1920x2160p).

This display is 1920x1080p
yardman's Avatar yardman 04:39 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoPro View Post


Call me cynical, but for that kind of money... I'd want to be sure.


You must have seen one of those pictures of a CRT television or oscilloscope with the scanning going on from left to right and from top to bottom. First the even lines and then all the odd lines were sort of electronically painted on phosphor. The old tech had to paint the picture quickly and to give it a little extra time it painted half and before the vision had faded in your eye it got the second half up. (Interlaced) Fixed pixel devices can turn on all pixels at once no problem. Think not painting a line at a time but, off or on, Digital ! Progressive. Now just double the pixels so they can all do some thing together instead of asking half the pixels to wait and do nothing for 1/60 of a second.
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 04:43 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean_S View Post

Bombthroat,

When you tried all of those resolutions through the VGA port were you using Powerstrip? Also, what kind of video card are you using?

I'm curious.... Since "something" came on the screen when you input 1080p/60 maybe a little tweaking with Powerstrip could make it work. The door on 1080p from a PC isn't completely closed until we have pursued that route.

I am not at all confident that 1080p will work through HDMI.

Thanks for your posts and updates. I really appreciate the info.

Sean

I was not using PowerStrip. All resolutions tested were strictly with the latest Catalyst drivers.

My video card is an ATi Radeon 9500 Pro (I know I need an entire PC upgrade).

The 1080p picture does in fact come up on the screen, but as I said it is rather small (compared to the rest of the screen) and appeared to not refresh correctly as was evident by the appearance of rapid flickering.
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 04:46 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by kregstrong View Post

anyone try any video games on this tv and if so is there any lag?

Yes, I played some PS2 on it hooked up via composite cables (don't have component and not buying them since Xbox 360 and PS3 are right around the corner).

To answer your question, there was no lag that I could discern.
W.Mayer's Avatar W.Mayer 04:52 PM 09-29-2005
i had ask this already but
as it seams that some get their units i try again.

did the 60" unit handle 1080i 50 hz input?
the manual should tell us that.
if not.
it easy to find out when you have a dvd and playback a pal dvd at 50 hz
and let the dvd player upconvert this to 1080i 50 hz out.

i can send such pal dvd or can some use a computer for that?
Desert Heat's Avatar Desert Heat 04:55 PM 09-29-2005
Bombthroat,

Can you let me know what type and how many inputs are available on the SXRD?

Thanks!
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 04:57 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeytmaxx View Post

BOMBTHROAT!!!!! I know you are busy with that thing called LIFE!!! , but can you pleaseeeeeeeeee post some pics of this set in HD, as i stated in the other thread, i think all of the forum members who are purchasing this set would LOVE to see some pics of what this tv can do with HD material..... thank you.......

Yep, I'll try to take some shots tonight after it gets dark outside. I'll include a link just for you (and everyone else at AVSForum).

BTW - I was watching PBS HD (Nature) and INHD (Boxing) on Tuesday and was stunned by the clarity. Hopefully some more good shows will be on this evening for the pics.

Also, someone asked if I had Sin City on DVD. I do not have it but was contemplating getting it this weekend. If I get it, I'll be sure to report.

Someone else asked about inexpensive DVD players. I have a Sony DVP-NS50P progressive scan DVD player. This is very inexpensive and looks wonderful to me on the set. Don't get me wrong, I'm not fooled into thinking it's HD or anything but it sure looks a lot better than SD cable. And before someone asks, it's hooked up via component cables.
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 04:59 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

i had ask this already but
as it seams that some get their units i try again.

did the 60" unit handle 1080i 50 hz input?
the manual should tell us that.
if not.
it easy to find out when you have a dvd and playback a pal dvd at 50 hz
and let the dvd player upconvert this to 1080i 50 hz out.

i can send such pal dvd or can some use a computer for that?

I didn't try it. I tried 1080i over the VGA port using 60Hz and 85Hz, neither of which looked very good (to small and refresh issues). It did display though.
W.Mayer's Avatar W.Mayer 05:14 PM 09-29-2005
i dont know if there is a difference from vga to hdmi inputs
but can you try 50 hz at 1080i at the vga?
thanks.
audiomixer's Avatar audiomixer 05:35 PM 09-29-2005
Bombthroat,
Quick Question? I have been waiting for this set to come out.
What other sets had you considered before buying this one.
Had you considered the JVCs?
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 05:44 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

Bombthroat,
Quick Question? I have been waiting for this set to come out.
What other sets had you considered before buying this one.
Had you considered the JVCs?

Yes, the JVC as well as the upcoming Hitachi LCoS, and 1080p DLP's made my list. I ultimately decided on the Sony because I had seen the Qualia 006 earlier in the year and it had the best picture I had seen bar none. I figured these sets would probably have most of what the Qualia did minus the hefty price tag.

After having the set in my home, I feel I made a very good choice as I am 100% satisfied with it's performance.
audiomixer's Avatar audiomixer 05:51 PM 09-29-2005
Nice to hear!
I was recently considering the new HP 65" DLP with 1080p input.
Also got a glowing review. But I , too, saw the Qualia 006 at CES in January and was BLOWN AWAY. My main viewing will be DVDs and HD so it sounds like this might be the one!
AUPigskin--'s Avatar AUPigskin-- 06:00 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bombthroat View Post

I didn't try it. I tried 1080i over the VGA port using 60Hz and 85Hz, neither of which looked very good (to small and refresh issues). It did display though.

Bombthroat,
Are there no user adjustable settings for the PC input to allow stretching the screen vertical and horizontal?
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 06:20 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmacknCA View Post

I'm nearly positive he said at one point he watched the Italian Job in hd and loved it...which is what those photos portray, no?

Yes, you are correct.
PLDOIR's Avatar PLDOIR 06:21 PM 09-29-2005
I got mine(SXRD 60") yesterday evening but only have HD digital cable for another week DVD with upscalling on the way next week + 5.1 surround
(ETA oct.6). Sounds good with the big ears for now.
Can't keep my eyes off of it's great pics.
Got more HD channels than I expected can't wait for my new DVD.

PLD
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 06:22 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by AUPigskin-- View Post

Bombthroat,
Are there no user adjustable settings for the PC input to allow stretching the screen vertical and horizontal?

I tried using the screen modes button but it isn't supported on the PC input. I didn't dive into any other menus to try to track down other options. Sorry! I was trying to test as many resolutions as possible and report back with the little free time I had.
Marc Alexander's Avatar Marc Alexander 06:27 PM 09-29-2005
I believe there are overscan controls in the user menus that will allow for this (allow stretching the screen vertical and horizontal).
audiomixer's Avatar audiomixer 06:28 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLDOIR View Post

I got mine(SXRD 60") yesterday evening but only have HD digital cable for another week DVD with upscalling on the way next week + 5.1 surround
(ETA oct.6). Sounds good with the big ears for now.
Can't keep my eyes off of it's great pics.
Got more HD channels than I expected can't wait for my new DVD.

PLD

What else were you considering?
HomeGuy's Avatar HomeGuy 07:20 PM 09-29-2005
BombThroat: How long does it take for the set to display a picture after you turn it on?

Thanks
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 07:50 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeytmaxx View Post

BOMBTHROAT!!!!! I know you are busy with that thing called LIFE!!! , but can you pleaseeeeeeeeee post some pics of this set in HD, as i stated in the other thread, i think all of the forum members who are purchasing this set would LOVE to see some pics of what this tv can do with HD material..... thank you.......

Here's the link to the HD pics I promised earlier tonight. I'm not really that happy with the way they turned out overall but I guess since you guys seem to be starved for pics they'll be better than nothing. WARNING!!! 56k BEWARE!!! Bombthroat's Pics of High Def Programming

Enjoy!
Bombthroat's Avatar Bombthroat 07:55 PM 09-29-2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeGuy View Post

BombThroat: How long does it take for the set to display a picture after you turn it on?

Thanks

I haven't timed it. It's only a matter of seconds though. If I think of it, I'll time it tomorrow evening and let you know.
JasonColeman's Avatar JasonColeman 08:11 PM 09-29-2005
Wow...you can really see how great the picture is with hi-def programming when you take a really low-res picture... Just kidding, but it's really funny to critique those pictures when you can't discern one resolution from another. It's like, "Look how great my TV picture looks in this e-mail sized picture I sent you." Or, "Listen to how great my new speakers sound...I recorded them using this really crappy condenser mic onto microtape...really, check it out...they're awesome."

Just a funny disconnect... I (and everybody else) applaud the effort. Some things just shouldn't be shared...

J.
Tags: Sony , Sony Kds R5oxbr1 Kdsr5oxbr1 Lamp With Housing Xl5100
First ... 2  3  4 5  6  ... Last

Up
Mobile  Desktop