Official 2005 Sony KDSR-50/60XBR1 SXRD Owner's Thread - AVS Forum

Bombthroat · 09-26-2005, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umr

What I am saying is that the green blob issue is blown WAY out of proportion. I have not seen a green blob "issue" as generally described in this thread with these sets. Color uniformity problems exist with all technologies except DLP. If you want a perfectly uniform display buy DLP. However, SXRD is a perfectly viable display technology. It is just not perfect like every other product on the market.

SXRD has color uniformity issues because it uses polarizers. All polarizer based displays will have some uniformity issues because polarizer alignment is not perfect. Some shift in colors may also occur because of small movements in the polarizer as the display warms up.

Plasma, LCD and CRT displays also have color uniformity problems that appear very similar to SXRD in practice.

and just a bit further down:

Quote:

Originally Posted by umr

A green blob in the middle can be calibrated out of the set.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlPaul

Via the service menu and still end up with ~6500K?

Certainly. If it is truly green it is not D65. That is the point. The color error can be shifted around the display or to another color.

Dr Raymond Soneira on the "Green Blob Effect"
http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...&&#post7157186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond Soneira

Also a cute name The term was coined to describe a temperature and time-dependent color and intensity non-uniformity noticed in some Sony SXRD (LCoS) HDTVs. This effect appears to some degree in every monitor and projector of every make and model, and in every type of display technology. It does appear to be more of an issue with these Sonys. I'll also explain why it's more likely to be seen as a green or purple effect.

All monitors and projectors take at least half an hour to reach an equilibrium temperature from a cold start. I never adjust, test, or evaluate displays unless they have warmed up for at least an hour. The best manufacturers will wait to align and calibrate their units at the factory until after the units have gone through an initial break-in period and also reached an equilibrium temperature with the cabinet fully assembled and closed. Some manufacturers may calibrate at 50% warm-up in order to minimize the peak deviation, which minimizes the likelihood that people will notice the effect, but you'll get the best long-term picture quality if it's done at 100% warm-up. This appears to be what Sony is doing (to their credit).

One member's solution:

Sony Corporate phone number is not listed. Its 1-858-942-2400. You'll need
to ask to speak to someone in the National Customer Relations department.
This is apparently the same place you end up at after being escalated from
tech support level 2.

P.S. Here is what I got from Sony about the OBs...

The earlier production were using the following part numbers:
A-1148-155-A (50? set)
A-1127-174-A (60? set)

The later production uses the following optical block part numbers.
A-1168-495-A (50? set)
A-1168-494-A (60? set)

***VARIOUS***

XBR1 Deinterlacing: Does the XBR1 "bob & weave?"
http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...&&#post6602874

SXRD Versus Plasma:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=715384

XBR1 Model/Chassis code and Date:

Chassis model number, place, and date of manufacture are on a sticker on the back of the set.

XBR1 Base Dimensions:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=719508

I measured 37" across, left to right, from the front, 27" across on the
back, with 18" in between the front and rear center points. The current
stand I have is maybe 40 in the front, 30 in the back and 20 deep, so the
XBR1 fits perfect - and in fact enhances the "floating effect" that the
chassis/speakers give the screen itself.

Service Menu:
Be VERY CAREFUL in the Service Menu. Enter at your own Risk!

[DISPLAY] + [5] + [VOL+] + [POWER]

check hours on lamp:

Starting with TV turned on - press Power, Display, 5, Vol+, Power.
That will get you into the SM.
Press Jump three times to get you to the 3rd menu area ("PANEL NVM OK").
Press 2 or 5 a bunch of times to get to category 20 TIMER. You should see
something like 0 LMP 100, which I think means you have used 100 hours on the
lamp.
1 and 4 change sub-categories in the menu. Moves up and down options.
2 and 5 change sections
jump key switches between different menu systems

Mute then Enter commits any changed values. Be careful with this.
Press Power to exit the SM and turn the TV off.

0 then enter reverts to previous settings (couple seconds, screen may go
black)

LAMP

Part# 11680720

UHP100W/120W-R70
also known as:
UHP 100W 120W Lamp

Specifications:

Manufacturer: Philips Lighting
Max Lamp Power: 120 Watts
Max Lamp Current: 2.0 Amps
Max Lamp Operating Voltage: 65 Volts
Ignition Voltage: 5 KV
Bulb Finish: Hard Dichroic Cold Mirror
Bulb Type: PAR-22 Borosilicate with front glass
Reflector Size: Square 65x70mm
Arc Gap: 1.0 mm
Electrodes: Solid tungsten
Luminous Flux: 6000 lm at 100W
7000 lm at 120W
Luminous Efficacy: 58 lm/W
Colour Temperature & CRI: CCT : 7600K CRI : Ra 57
Chromaticity Co-ordinates: CCx : 0.298 CCy : 0.311
Rated Life: 8000 hours at 100 W
6000 hours at 120 W
Factory: Turnhout, Belgium

UHP:

Most projectors of today use Ultra High Pressure (UHP) lamps invented by
Philips. These use an arc in a pure mercury vapor under high pressure.

UHP lamps operate at pressures above 200 atmospheres or 3,000 pounds per
square inch.

A 100 watt UHP lamp in a projector can deliver more light to the screen than
a 250 watt metal halide lamp.

http://www.ercservice.com/lamps/phil..._120W-R70.html

***REVIEWS***

XBR1:

Ultimate AV: 60XBR1 review

Sound & Vision: 50XBR1 review
CNET: 60XBR1 review
A CRT Zealot's Review

XBR2:

Ultimate AV: 60XBR2 review

CNET's 60XBR2

umr on the XBR2:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8792988

***Sony extends limited warranty (parts and labor) in the US for KDS-R50XBR1 and KDS-R60XBR1 until October 31, 2008 regardless of purchase date.

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/new...R1&news_id=185

This information was originally posted by member jfh3 and was brought to my attention by member cctvtech.

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***My original post starting this thread.***

My KDS-R60XBR1 has arrived...

I don't have a "report" perse for all of you, rather just the opinions of one darn happy consumer. I'm going to include a link to an HTML page with all the thumbnails of pics I've taken. Please no critiquing of the photography, I know I'm horrible at taking pictures, just try to realize if there is any apparent fault with the pictures it is with my skills as a lousy photographer not the set.

HDTV on this set is absolutely stunning as far as I'm concerned. I watched about an hour of "The Italian Job" and was amazed over and over again with how good the picture was. I watched part of "The Lord of the Rings: Two Towers" on a progressive scan DVD player and was surprised at how good a DVD can still look when given the proper equipment. I may have to go back and watch a lot of my DVD's over again just to see what I missed previously. Standard definition cable was very watchable but wasn't anything special by a long shot. There is only so much processing can do and you know what they say, Sh*t in sh*t out. That pretty much covers standard definition. I hooked up my PS2 briefly (don't have component cables for it only composite) and again it was very usable just nothing special. I'll bet Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 will look out of this world on this set though.

My cable box is hooked up through HDMI (HDMI to HDMI) for anyone who wants to know. Also the screen on this set is matte not shiny.

I'm a computer geek but not a TV geek so I don't know exactly what else to tell everyone else. The only other piece of information I can give is that I'm SO very happy I purchased this set. I have not seen a set to date (Qualia 006 excluded) that had a better picture, in my mind. Of course I would be bias towards this set as it's what I've chosen. My final verdict is that I'm 100% satisfied with it at the present time. If there was one thing I could change about the set, it would be to have removable side speakers. The speakers are a small price to pay for an otherwise outstanding set.

I hope everyone enjoys. I'll try to answer questions in due time. But for now, back to the TV.

Edited to remove link.

kclfoxtrot · 09-26-2005, 06:56 PM

Congrats on your new partner. I am very glad to hear the screen is matte. When you get a chance, see if the TV can accept a 1920 x 1080 signal using the vga port. If it can, I am going to be placing an order. Now....on to the pics.

Dauod · 09-26-2005, 08:17 PM

Man, am I jealous! I can just see this beauty as the new centerpiece to my HT. Unfortunately, I am way to anal to buy one sight unseen, sooo.. I guess I wait until I can demo one here in Minneapolis. Congratulations on your purchase and being the first one to get your hands on this incredible set! Only question I can pose is, have you seen any lip sync issues with the SXRD? Other than that, it sounds like this is the set to own in 2005. Again, congratulations!

gweempose · 09-26-2005, 08:21 PM

Congrats, and thanks for the pics! Enjoy!

Bombthroat · 09-26-2005, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dauod

Man, am I jealous! I can just see this beauty as the new centerpiece to my HT. Unfortunately, I am way to anal to buy one sight unseen, sooo.. I guess I wait until I can demo one here in Minneapolis. Congratulations on your purchase and being the first one to get your hands on this incredible set! Only question I can pose is, have you seen any lip sync issues with the SXRD? Other than that, it sounds like this is the set to own in 2005. Again, congratulations!

I have not noticed any lip sync issues. Having said that, I haven't really sat down and watched something (or played a game) over a long period of time. I've been trying as many sources as I could think of, as I know everyone is interested in the feedback.

If I do notice lip sync issues down the road, I'll be sure to post.

Dauod · 09-26-2005, 08:23 PM

Thanks for your quick response. Enjoy your new toy!

gazelle · 09-26-2005, 08:28 PM

Again, congratulations and good luck! As always, thanks for the time and effort you've taken to post photos and the reviews you've supplied as well as starting an owner's thread. I know it's a sacrifice when you would much rather be playing with your new toy

steve · 09-26-2005, 08:54 PM

I am thinking about getting this set. Can you tell me whether the HDMI input accepts a 1080p signal, or if it only accepts up to a 1080i signal?
Thanks
Steve

Big Worms · 09-26-2005, 09:10 PM

Nice set! Congrats!

Ashenor · 09-26-2005, 09:12 PM

With the PS3 will this set be able to do 1080p through one of its ports, or is it like a lot of other 1080p sets out now where the ports can't actually do 1080p?

Thanks

Yoda1 · 09-26-2005, 09:22 PM

My God! I need to demo one of these things!

Ashenor · 09-26-2005, 09:32 PM

Hmm i currently have a 5 year old or so Sony 57" HD RPTV. I have just started to look to upgrade. I was looking at the 55" A20 a bit today. I sit 8 feet from the screen, what is this screendoor effect people talk about? I would be tempted to look at getting the 50" version of this, but that is downsizing quite a bit from what i currently have. Sitting 8" would i be better with the 50 vs the 55" A20? I will mostly use it for gaming and DVD's.

*edit*

Sorry mark i tried looking through that post some put the sheer volume is daunting. I tried searching but was not finding the answers i was looking for. Sorry for wasting space and posting the questions here.

Marc Alexander · 09-26-2005, 09:33 PM

In an attempt to prevent this thread from being cluttered with questions that have already been answered ad naseum, please look (and search) in this thread: Sony SXRD 50" and 60" - Oct/Nov

Also: Advice: A10 vs A20 vs SXRD

Marc Alexander · 09-26-2005, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashenor

Sorry mark i tried looking through that post some put the sheer volume is daunting. I tried searching but was not finding the answers i was looking for. Sorry for wasting space and posting the questions here.

I was not directing that specifically towards you. Just pointing you to a thread with all the answers and a better thread to post your pre-sale questions: Advice: A10 vs A20 vs SXRD

Uninvited Guest · 09-26-2005, 09:52 PM

Thanks for starting the owners thread BT. Congrats again.

Everyone can relax, I'll try to behave in this thread while awaiting my SXRD.

I plan to become an official PEST to my dealer starting when they open tomorow.

gazelle · 09-26-2005, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashenor

Hmm i currently have a 5 year old or so Sony 57" HD RPTV. I have just started to look to upgrade. I was looking at the 55" A20 a bit today. I sit 8 feet from the screen, what is this screendoor effect people talk about? I would be tempted to look at getting the 50" version of this, but that is downsizing quite a bit from what i currently have. Sitting 8" would i be better with the 50 vs the 55" A20? I will mostly use it for gaming and DVD's.

*edit*

Sorry mark i tried looking through that post some put the sheer volume is daunting. I tried searching but was not finding the answers i was looking for. Sorry for wasting space and posting the questions here.

Did you look at the title of this thread? This is not the place for your question. There IS a thread that contains plenty of info and varied opinions that will help you as someone pointed out....

Ashenor · 09-26-2005, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazelle

Did you look at the title of this thread? This is not the place for your question. There IS a thread that contains plenty of info and varied opinions that will help you as someone pointed out....

We took care of that a couple of posts up .... at this point its just creating more spam in this guys posts. If i could delete them i would.

Thanks for for being Johnny on the spot, it would be very helpful to the thread if you could quote and point this out for the other 3 questions asked above also.

Schwarzenegger · 09-27-2005, 12:52 AM

congratulations to your set and thanks alot for your photos and your impressions! hopefully sony brings them to europe ASAP

tonydeluce · 09-27-2005, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bombthroat

My KDS-R60XBR1 has arrived...

I don't have a "report" perse for all of you, rather just the opinions of one darn happy consumer. I'm going to include a link to an HTML page with all the thumbnails of pics I've taken. Please no critiquing of the photography, I know I'm horrible at taking pictures, just try to realize if there is any apparent fault with the pictures it is with my skills as a lousy photographer not the set.

HDTV on this set is absolutely stunning as far as I'm concerned. I watched about an hour of "The Italian Job" and was amazed over and over again with how good the picture was. I watched part of "The Lord of the Rings: Two Towers" on a progressive scan DVD player and was surprised at how good a DVD can still look when given the proper equipment. I may have to go back and watch a lot of my DVD's over again just to see what I missed previously. Standard definition cable was very watchable but wasn't anything special by a long shot. There is only so much processing can do and you know what they say, Sh*t in sh*t out. That pretty much covers standard definition. I hooked up my PS2 briefly (don't have component cables for it only composite) and again it was very usable just nothing special. I'll bet Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 will look out of this world on this set though.

My cable box is hooked up through HDMI (HDMI to HDMI) for anyone who wants to know. Also the screen on this set is matte not shiny.

I'm a computer geek but not a TV geek so I don't know exactly what else to tell everyone else. The only other piece of information I can give is that I'm SO very happy I purchased this set. I have not seen a set to date (Qualia 006 excluded) that had a better picture, in my mind. Of course I would be bias towards this set as it's what I've chosen. My final verdict is that I'm 100% satisfied with it at the present time. If there was one thing I could change about the set, it would be to have removable side speakers. The speakers are a small price to pay for an otherwise outstanding set.

Here's the link I promised. I'll try to add more pics later on. Bombthroat's KDS-R60XBR1 Pics

I hope everyone enjoys. I'll try to answer questions in due time. But for now, back to the TV.

Congratulations!

BTW, If you don't post the maximum resolution you were able to obtain via the
vga input you can keep saying you are computer geek all you want - we are not
going to believe you...

CFoote · 09-27-2005, 05:00 AM

Congratulations! Man, that thing has to be hot off the production line! That is very very cool. Have you been able to get a black screen and check for any dust that might have entered the light engine? I hope these might have a little bit better QC than the A10s...

I wonder if Sony will also build these in Mexico to cut down on tarriffs. It shall be interesting....

jdanon · 09-27-2005, 07:12 AM

I'm anxious as well to get my hands on one of these TVs. Too bad Crutchfield is still saying at least 2-3 weeks.

Canadian · 09-27-2005, 07:26 AM

Congrats on the new set. I am very happy to see that there appears to be two HDMI inputs. I think I am going to have to wait till the stand becomes included before I take the plunge as I will kick myself in 6 weeks when this happens.

Again, thank you for posting the pics and congrats!! Enjoy your toy.

Bombthroat · 09-27-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve

I am thinking about getting this set. Can you tell me whether the HDMI input accepts a 1080p signal, or if it only accepts up to a 1080i signal?
Thanks
Steve

According to the manual it only accepts 1080i. Having said that, I don't have any devices that output a 1080p signal over HDMI I could plug-in to verify what they are saying is true. I'm not exactly sure how I could help you out with that.

Let me know if you have suggestions.

c.kingsley · 09-27-2005, 01:28 PM

Use your PC to hook up to both the VGA port and the HDMI port and you should be able to tell us all the supported resolutions...

Bombthroat · 09-27-2005, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonydeluce

Congratulations!

BTW, If you don't post the maximum resolution you were able to obtain via the
vga input you can keep saying you are computer geek all you want - we are not
going to believe you...

LOL... I'll get to that. There are only so many hours in a day. I'll have the info over the next day or two, I'm quite anxious to know what resolution I can pump through the VGA port myself. I find it hard to believe I'd be limited to what's listed in the manual. We shall see.

Gator1 · 09-27-2005, 01:45 PM

The lip sync issue only seems to occur when using an external A/V Receiver (amp). You mentioned you did not see any problems so far ... are you using an external A/V system?

Starving Bushman · 09-27-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gator1

The lip sync issue only seems to occur when using an external A/V Receiver (amp). You mentioned you did not see any problems so far ... are you using an external A/V system?

Does anybody know if the set outputs 5.1 throught the optical out? Shouldn't that correct any problems with lip sync?

George Cifranci · 09-27-2005, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bombthroat

LOL... I'll get to that. There are only so many hours in a day. I'll have the info over the next day or two, I'm quite anxious to know what resolution I can pump through the VGA port myself. I find it hard to believe I'd be limited to what's listed in the manual. We shall see.

I think the problem is that Bombthoat is watching "Bikini Destinations" on HDNET all day. That's why he doesn't have time to answer questions!

Bombthroat · 09-27-2005, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnowicki

I believe that BombThroat is a she not a he. Which certainly doesn't preclude the possibility that she is watching Bikini Destinations all day :-)

Congrats on the TV, looking forward to all the reviews in the near future.

Robert

I assure you I'm male. The flowers on the table (which I why I assume you think I'm a "she") were for my wife for our anniversary.

I'll have an update shortly on all resolutions that function properly over the VGA port. Stay tuned...

rockbottom16 · 09-27-2005, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnowicki

I believe that BombThroat is a she not a he. Which certainly doesn't preclude the possibility that she is watching Bikini Destinations all day :-)

Congrats on the TV, looking forward to all the reviews in the near future.

Robert

safe to say you haven't seen an episode of girls gone wild.

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