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post #10951 of 10969 Old 06-05-2015, 11:11 PM
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Ruh roh, it looks like my very long ride on this horse is at an end.

2004-2015 isn't too bad, I guess.

Screen freaked out tonight - we were watching some French Open tennis and suddenly there were several blinking horizontal lines ranging from a few inches in height to eight to ten inches.

They appear consistently on any input.

So...since my wife won't let me spend big bucks on a new set I can't get a Panasonic TC-P65VT60 65-Inch plasma set.

What are considered the most acceptable LED sets these days...due to large room we want no less than current 65", and 70" to 75" would be OK.
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Other than the defects it still looks like a nice picture.


I love my TC-P65VT60, but I would not pay $5K for one, which is the Amazon price. Today I would look seriously at the 4K TVs. Does anyone even make plasma TVs anymore? All the ones I see on Amazon are 2014 or earlier.


OLED will look most like plasma since the individual pixels are the source of light (no backlighting). However, they are expensive. This would probably be my dream TV right now:


http://www.crutchfield.com/p_68965E9...0.html?tp=9201


LED/LCD panels have improved quite a bit with the advent of in-plane switching, which is the same technology used in most phones and tablets. Viewing angles are much better than the old TN panels, which dimmed considerably as soon as you moved off-center.


One thing that really bothers me is edge-lit TVs. During dark scenes it looks like somebody is shining flashlights around the edges. Backlit is better, but the TV will be a little thicker.


You can probably get a good sense of the best TVs right now by reading posts at AVSForum.


Have fun with your new HDTV!
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Hey, Dave! Yeah, it's still beautiful as the day I got it, except for the horrible artifacts. Don't think I'll find a picture that I will like as much as this one in a reasonable price range.

We are going to look at some 4K sets, and I'm not going to consider edge lighting hate it when itthe flashlighting happens.

If anyone needs parts or bulbs let me know, all must go!
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So my set came back to life, kinda.

It was normal again tonight, for about 90 percent of the time we had it on. Things are going south, obviously, but she is fighting it to the end.
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Do you have the back off and everything well ventilated?
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You know, I don't, never needed to before, never had a single issue.

But it does not appear to be heat related. For instance this morning when I turned it on, it was normal for the first couple minutes then got bad for about the next 10 or 15 minutes, then cleared up for the next 2 1/2 hours with no issues whatsoever.

It was the same last night, we turned it on it was messy. Then later on suddenly it cleared up and everything was fine the rest evening too.

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The back panel traps a lot of heat. I would not be surprised if taking the back panel off buys you some more time.
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The back panel traps a lot of heat. I would not be surprised if taking the back panel off buys you some more time.
Thanks for the suggestion, Dave. I think I'll take your advice. I would really like to wait as long as I can, I'm hoping that OLED will come down enough so that I can sneak one of those sets past my wife.

If I can get another year out of our current set, then maybe a 65" OLED will be in my range.

One question - if I remove the back, should I put something over the opening that leaves? I was thinking that I should put a screen or something over it, but maybe it's OK to just leave it completely open? Just seems weird to have it completely uncovered, will that end up w/too much dust getting inside, etc?

Last night we watched several hours of tennis w/zero issues, screen was completely normal the entire time. Maybe we'll get lucky.

I took off the back and cleaned up a bit. It wasn't too bad, really, for 10 years - I was surprised at how little muck was in there. Before/after pics attached. Achoo!

Now with this mod you're guaranteeing me another year, right, Dave!? Fingers crossed. Pic is perfect again today.
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And now it's gone bad again.

Looks like another year may be more dream than reality.
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Sorry to hear it! I was able to sell my newish OEM bulb and housing (and threw in the extra housing and dim bulb I was saving for emergency use) but otherwise I didn't get any interest in spare parts. I ended up completely disassembling the set and taking the metal parts and electronics to a scrap metal/recycling place. The plastic case has recycling labels as well, so those are going in the bin with my normal recyclables. I miss it!

My replacement is a 55" 4K Vizio from Sam's Club and am quite happy with it so far. The size is better in my current space and the picture is very, very good in my opinion. 4K streaming via the native Netflix and Amazon apps looks fantastic. It was a good enough price point ($975) to lure me into 4K right now since I needed something. I think 60" would be better in my current room, but 65" was a tad too large. Someday I might upgrade to a 60" and demote the 55" to the bedroom or shop.
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My answer is probably moot since you still have the problem, but I never covered anything. If you have small children you might want to since there are exposed electronics.


The inside will actually stay cleaner with the back off. Covers create high-speed vortexes that draw in dust, and once inside the dust tends to settle in areas with no circulation. You see this a lot with computer cases. After an extended period a computer with the cover off will be a lot cleaner inside than a computer with the cover on.
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Sorry to hear it! I was able to sell my newish OEM bulb and housing (and threw in the extra housing and dim bulb I was saving for emergency use) but otherwise I didn't get any interest in spare parts. I ended up completely disassembling the set and taking the metal parts and electronics to a scrap metal/recycling place. The plastic case has recycling labels as well, so those are going in the bin with my normal recyclables. I miss it!

My replacement is a 55" 4K Vizio from Sam's Club and am quite happy with it so far. The size is better in my current space and the picture is very, very good in my opinion. 4K streaming via the native Netflix and Amazon apps looks fantastic. It was a good enough price point ($975) to lure me into 4K right now since I needed something. I think 60" would be better in my current room, but 65" was a tad too large. Someday I might upgrade to a 60" and demote the 55" to the bedroom or shop.
Did you get the M series, then? That one looks interesting. Not seeing artifacts on upscaled content?

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My answer is probably moot since you still have the problem, but I never covered anything. If you have small children you might want to since there are exposed electronics.


The inside will actually stay cleaner with the back off. Covers create high-speed vortexes that draw in dust, and once inside the dust tends to settle in areas with no circulation. You see this a lot with computer cases. After an extended period a computer with the cover off will be a lot cleaner inside than a computer with the cover on.
Ah, that's interesting about the dust, but makes sense. Thanks!

I think we'll let it run for this week, and if the problem keeps coming back we'll start looking seriously for a replacement.

Kinda bummed, over the past ten years I've grown very fond of this TV. HP's one brief shining moment in TV.

One option I'm thinking about - if I can find enough info to hope that a 65" OLED set will be in the $2500 range next year, I might just move a 45" Sony LED from we have in our office to the family room and wait until next year to get a new TV.

45" will be small to watch tennis on, though, couch is about 16' from the TV!

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Did you get the M series, then? That one looks interesting. Not seeing artifacts on upscaled content?

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Actually I got the P552ui-B2 and am satisfied. I honestly haven't watched a lot of content critically, but really have no complaints with the performance thus far.

I do have some sporadic strange artifacts that look like failing segments that are the upper left corners of small squares on the lower portion of the picture. I think the squares are backlight areas, but don't know for sure. They're intermittently visible only when watching Dish content, independent of HDMI source/input on the TV. Watching content thru the streaming apps is still perfect, as is Blu-Ray from my PS3. I didn't diagnose further before a recent trip and need to go back and try to narrow it down. My feed goes from Dish via HDMI to a monoprice matrix switch/splitter and then to the TV, so it could be a failure in the HDMI cable(s), switch, or DVR box. I don't feel it is a TV issue right now.
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OK, the deed is done!

Problems w/the picture are there more of the time now, so appears to be getting worse even w/the back off the set.

Just ordered the 70" Sony XBR-70X850B to give it a 30-day try. We had a discount, so it was only $2200 and they added in free white-glove delivery so decided to give it a whirl. We wanted to go up to a 70" (we're 16' away) and from an aesthetic perspective the space we have for the TV is large enough that w/the HP removed a 65" (w/out the big DLP frame) would have left even more gaps than the 70" will.

It was a very tough choice between the Sony and the Vizio P-Series, and if the Sony doesn't work out, that will likely be my fall-back. And frankly, my wife has some sentimental feelings about Sony (used to work there) and that was part of the tipping point in the final decision. Happy wife, happy life.

So I'm bummed to say goodbye to my HP, but also a little excited about the Sony. It has 3D support, so we'll play w/that a bit, and also has "3D conversion" of normal content that got surprisingly positive comments, so wondering how useful that will be.

I'll keep checking back here, and if anyone wants to purchase my old bulbs let me know via PM - I'll make a good deal for you. I think I have at least two, one of them with just months of service on it, and I believe the other also has very limited use.

Also parts are available of course, but since mine is dying not sure if anyone would want any of it's guts. Remote is free to anyone who wants to pay shipping for it.

I've really enjoyed the run, and the community here!

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OK, did a quick bulb inventory, here's what I have:

1 lightly used OEM bulb ~ maybe 2 months IIRC - I used it long enough to ensure it wasn't a dud, then set it aside.
1 lightly used OEM bulb ~ was told less than six months, bought from another user here
1 longer used OEM bulb (current one in my set), ~10 months or so
1 "Generic" bulb, no "SHP" markings, very light use (don't have exact memory of usage)
1 bulb housing

Typical usage probably averages out to about 2-3 hours/day. Some days no TV, some days more if we watch a tennis match, or a few episodes of Orphan Black.
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Bulbs are sold!

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I have my new Sony XBR-70X850B TV in my arms.

Man, I have to say I LOVE the picture. I've adjusted per settings shared by other users on the AVS thread for the set, including settings that really to remove the dreaded SOE, and the pic is frankly beautiful. I'm surprised by how much I like it. I think I will be able to move on from my HP DLP.

Off angle is limited as expected since it's a VA panel (unlike the DLP, which gets darker off-angle, the Sony starts to wash out), but we're 90% of the time directly in front of the set so that's not a big issue. Watched tennis and soccer and baseball, all looked great, watched an hour or so of Star Trek Into Darkness and it was excellent, blacks very good. So far no issues at all.



Cell phone pics really don't show how nice it looks in person, but have to share.



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