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post #841 of 3969 Old 06-01-2006, 04:17 AM
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It is now official A2000 is using V2 of DRC. Looks like you will have to buy XBR to get V1. But why don´t you buy a real external video processor, a great TV deserves one. Also video processors are not as expensive as they once were.

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Hmmm... according to the specifications page for the new 60", it uses a NEW lamp (model # XL-5200); last years models had model # XL-5100. (Goodbye green blobs?) Last years model also consumed 240 watts when in use, the new one supposedly only consumes 200 watts when in use.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...me=specs&var2=
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While the Sammy does beat the SXRD in brightness, and possibly in the richness of color (I didn't notice that when I compared them), the longer I looked at the Sammy the more problems I saw. The picture is noisey, there are dithering and "macroblocking" artifacts, aliasing (jaggies caused by a less than stellar de-interlacer) and crushed blacks (lack of shadow detail). The next time you compare the sets, look for these things. I'm not trying to convince you one way or the other, just trying to broaden your evaluation criteria. In the end if you still like the Sammy better because it excels in the areas you value, then you've made the right choice for you.
The more I think about it the more I think you are right. I spent a lot of time staring at the two sets...the Sammy is MUCH brighter than the sony and seems more crisp. Upon close inspection though there is a lot more noise. Standard digital(we all watch it...face it) looked AWFUL on the sammy--
Now the sammy is really bright...do we need it that bright ? I'm not sure.
To my eyes the panasonic and hitachi plasmas looked better than any of the lcd rp's....but eventually the lack of high resolution will catch up with plasmas making them much less popular. Im looking sxrd to sort of "future proof" my purchase.
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Looks like the A2000 series has DRC version 2 whereas the XBR2 has version 2.5

The XBR2 also has Direct Digital II Circuitry. Whatever than means.

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You know what that means? DRC 3.0 must be just around the corner. Maybe on the "flat" SXRD. :)
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SonyStyle description of XBR2
"DRC-MFv2.5 Sony’s exclusive video signal processing that improves video signals to a realistic and clean picture quality according to signal types.
CCP-XA Generates high purity, high Signal-To-Noise ratio and enables the generation of wide bandwidth and stable digital component signals.
IFP2 Has functions that optimize contrast remove noise in the signal to reproduce video with little noise and blur."

Are the CCP-XA and IFP2 new componentry?
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You know what that means? DRC 3.0 must be just around the corner. Maybe on the "flat" SXRD. :)
Im holding out for DRC 7.0 along with the 80" screen that is 1 inch in depth and weighs 24 lbs. By 2010 I will have my perfect tv. ;)
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what does this DRC 2 and DRC 2.5 mean? What is the difference?
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It is now official A2000 is using V2 of DRC. Looks like you will have to buy XBR to get V1. But why don´t you buy a real external video processor, a great TV deserves one. Also video processors are not as expensive as they once were.

What version of DRC did the current 2005 SXRD use ??? If it used V2 that should mean that the A2000 models will be at least as good if not better with other improvements made don't you agree ?? I see 1 improvement that jumps out display response time = 2.5 ms. I belive the current SXRD was 5.0 ms, this should improve fast motion video.
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It is now official A2000 is using V2 of DRC. Looks like you will have to buy XBR to get V1. But why don´t you buy a real external video processor, a great TV deserves one. Also video processors are not as expensive as they once were.
The XBR won't have the V1, the V1 is OLDER technology. The XBR has to either have the V2 or the V2.5

EDIT: Sony site says 2.5
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What version of DRC did the current 2005 SXRD use ??? If it used V2 that should mean that the A2000 models will be at least as good if not better with other improvements made don't you agree ?? I see 1 improvement that jumps out display response time = 2.5 ms. I belive the current SXRD was 5.0 ms, this should improve fast motion video.
Response times have not changed, only the way they are reported. All SXRD panels released to date (including the Qualia) had a 2.5ms rise (black to white) and a 2.5ms fall (white to black), with an average response time of 2.5ms and a total response time of 5ms. It's all in how the numbers are reported.

All of these panels are more than adequate for fast motion.
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What version of DRC did the current 2005 SXRD use ??? If it used V2 that should mean that the A2000 models will be at least as good if not better with other improvements made don't you agree ?? I see 1 improvement that jumps out display response time = 2.5 ms. I belive the current SXRD was 5.0 ms, this should improve fast motion video.
The current XBRs use V2. The new A series uses V2. The new XBRs use 2.5, which is the newer version.

Based on the marketing speak in the press release for V2.5, it is impossible to know how much better 2.5 really is. But the suggestion is that it retains greater vertical resolution in the deinterlacing of 1080i video based images. See my post earlier. There also appears to be some benefit with SD signals that are upconverted to HD at the source.
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The current XBRs use V2. The new A series uses V2. The new XBRs use 2.5, which is the newer version.

Based on the marketing speak in the press release for V2.5, it is impossible to know how much better 2.5 really is. But the suggestion is that it retains greater vertical resolution in the deinterlacing of 1080i video based images. See my post earlier. There also appears to be some benefit with SD signals that are upconverted to HD at the source.
Thanks for the feedback on the response time question. One would assume the the PQ would be at least as good on the A2000 as compared to the current SXDR because they will be using the same V2 prosses correct ???
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For those of you comparing the new Sammy with the SXRD, you need to keep in mind that bulbs DO DIM over time. The SXRDs you are looking at have likely been been on the floor over 6 months while the Sammys haven't been turned on very long. Because of this, it makes comparing a new set to last years set VERY difficult when comparing brightness and black levels. Yes, a dimmed bulb will affect black levels too.

AND to compare the sets accurately you need to adjust picture settings and use the same source.

As far as the HD loops go, how many TV shows and DVDs have you seen with that kind of quality? Very little right? HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are starting to gear up but for now the content is very limited. Manufacturers can show off their displays with these loops but at the same time it keeps you from being able to compare one TV to the other accurately.
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Thanks for the feedback on the response time question. One would assume the the PQ would be at least as good on the A2000 as compared to the current SXDR because they will be using the same V2 prosses correct ???
PQ involves more than just the processor. There have been rumors that the new sets will have an upgraded light engine. I don't know if that's true or not.
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I agree totally - the history of Sony XBR was always much more than featureset.

I would expect the XBR series to carry some technology from the Q006 and/or the Ruby otherwise why bother paying extra for just optional features. The XBR just becomes a Qualia level product without the badge and some Ruby blend. I think this is more than wishful thinking as this has been the history of Sony for decades.

We should know by the end of the week. :)
When will the 70 inch be coming out? I posted earlier that I have an opportunity to exchange my 006 Qualia for the new 70" but not sure I want to wait till fall with no TV or they may let me keep the 006 until then...not sure. Especially it there would be little quality difference....is the new XBR2 going to be that much better??? I see it is 100 pounds lighter.
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When will the 70 inch be coming out? I posted earlier that I have an opportunity to exchange my 006 Qualia for the new 70" but not sure I want to wait till fall with no TV or they may let me keep the 006 until then...not sure. Especially it there would be little quality difference....is the new XBR2 going to be that much better??? I see it is 100 pounds lighter.
In comparison to the Qualia, the new 70-inch XBR will have the higher-contrast panels and more advanced video processing. It also looks like it won't have the glass cover over the screen, which likely accounts for at least part of the 100 lb. difference (assuming that's accurate), which many would say is a benefit due to the reduction in reflections -- but that's presonal preference and depends upon viewing environment.

On the downside, it won't be a Qualia, which means that quality control in terms of panel alignment and other issues will be of the mass-produced, assembly line variety. We don't yet know if the color discontinuity issues that plagued the current XBRs will be present in the new ones.
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hi,
I've been reading around in these threads.i found out the the 2 best tvs in my budget are the sammy & the SXRD. if the new SXRD is close to the sammy(price)
i'll wait for it. so does anyone of you know its price or any idea about it.
please help,zak
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Any guess on what the 70 & 60 XBR2's will street for?

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Are there links for the XBR2's? I don't see them on the Sony Style website.
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I am now on the list to be called/e-mailed as soon as my local dealer has the KDS-60A2000 in stock. I cannot wait to see this in person.

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For those of you attending the event today, if you get a chance, here are the things I am curious to know:

1) Is SSE reduced on any of these sets compared to the current models?
2) Is there really a new and improved light engine? If so, what are the benefits?
3) Does Sony acknowledge that the blue-hue and green glob issues have been rectified with the new light engine? (I imagine this is a question they'd have to be asked point-blank).
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Are there links for the XBR2's? I don't see them on the Sony Style website.
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http://www.sonystyle.com/2006tv

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Cool. This *is* updated info with new specs listed! I still don't understand how the speakers will be detachable (I guess the upper and lower silver bezel remain without the speakers)...
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no more dumbo ears! as long as the blob is gone, i'm sold!
so my last question is will the new 50" and 55" accept 1080P computer input???
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no more dumbo ears! as long as the blob is gone, i'm sold!
so my last question is will the new 50" and 55" accept 1080P computer input???
Looks like 1080i computer input on the XBRs. I'm not sure about the A series since it doesn't appear to be listed on the main 2006TV page.
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3) Does Sony acknowledge that the blue-hue and green glob issues have been rectified with the new light engine? (I imagine this is a question they'd have to be asked point-blank).

That's the most important question left for me. Hopefully someone will be able to pin them down and get an answer.
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Looks like I need to start saving some pennies for the KDS-50A2000. Or the Sammy. Comparison shopping in July/August.
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I don't see what the big deal is; if you buy one and it has a green blob, exchange it for another one. The SXRD is a very highly rated top-notch HDTV. There are A LOT of satisfied 2005 SXRD owners. I don't see why 2006 won't be the same.
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