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minoten's Avatar minoten
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Originally Posted by PioneerElite View Post

How many of the inputs support 1080P, I know the 2 HDMI units do. Does component support 1080P as well?

Samsung's xx87 manual says (near the last page):
Quote:


Component Video IN
2 (Y PB PR)
480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p


BHenning37's Avatar BHenning37
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Hey everyone, after reading all your posts, I've been anxious to check out the x87 series at a store. I've travelled to BB and CC's in the area and all they have are the HLR's. Has anyone in the Cleveland area actually seen these sets? If so, where? We must be at the end of the line in shipping or something...
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The manual states that closed captions are available for digital channels. There is also a statement of these being available only when Service1-Service6 can be selected in Mode.

I have a Motorola HDTV DVR and to turn CC on-off on HDTV channels I need to use a sequence of commands for the DVR. The TV can turn captions on-off only for SDT supplied through S-video; when using Component or DVI, even CC for STD need to be turned on-off through the DVR.

Questions:
1. does anybody know if CC on HDTV channels can be turned on-off directly on the 6187 when used with a Motorola DVR?
2. If YES, is there a discrete command for CC on-off on 6187?
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The product leaflet mentions that discrete IR codes are available for use with a programmable remote (see manual for details)
Is there any information about this? I didn't find anything in the manual.
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BHenning37,

I bought mine last Monday @ CC. HL-S5687. $xxx under list price.

Mods, if discussing price is wrong, I can edit, or please delete......

-- dstmo
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I bought mine last Monday @ XX. HL-S5687. xxxx under list price.

Mods, if discussing price is wrong, I can edit, or please delete......

-- dstmo

It is. You can always use a PM.
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Thanks for the reminder, I've editted my original post so I dont break any rules.

I can say that Nascar in hidef looks amazing on this TV.

-- dstmo
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The DLP will have much better black levels and contrast ratio that the LCD. It will probably be brighter as well. I chose DLP for serveral reasons: a) it fit in the space I needed it to, b) it has a great picture, c) it cost less for the same screen size vs. plasma or lcd, d) no screen door effect (sde) like in RP-LCD.


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Just a show of hands, what do you guys think about the new new Samsung DLP's 1080P compared to the Westinghouse 42 in 1080P LCD. I have the the Westinghouse at home and for most part am happy with it. However I was at Best Buy today and saw their new Samsung HL-S6187W DLP 1080P. The picture was very good. I know there is a bulb issue with DLP's . but the guy at Best Buy told me those are covered under warranty. If the pictures are the same I wouldnt mind paying a few dollars for 19 more inches.

However if they are not comparable , I plan to keep the Westinghouse.

What is the opinion of this group on DLPs in general compared LCD's, particulary the Westinghouse 42 inch 1080P.



I appreciate all comments, because I will making my decision about exchanging it in the next few days. Thanks


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As long as you don't see rainbows get the DLP.
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Stopped by Magnolia today to look at $900 stand for my incoming 6187, then thought I'd check out Ikea next door. For $25 plus a can of glossy black spray paint Ikea has a 47"x17"x14hi stand that looks like it will do the job.
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Stopped by Magnolia today to look at $900 stand for my incoming 6187, then thought I'd check out Ikea next door. For $25 plus a can of glossy black spray paint Ikea has a 47"x17"x14hi stand that looks like it will do the job.

There are many real TV stands under $400 that are stylish and fit well. Is the stand you're looking at long enough (looks like you'll have eight inches of overhang total), is it tall enough for good viewing when sitting (others made for the TV are several inches higher), and can it uniformly bear the weight? Things to think about.
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Many people find the Oppli stand at Ikea to be an excellent size for a 61" Sammy, and just the right height.
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Thanx, guys. Didn't want to bring my personal problems to this site, but my center speaker is 12" hi. I haven't found ANYTHING stock that will suit that, and still have room for components. Right now my center sits on top of RP Hitachi, and components are in a rack a few feet away. I may be able to do an extensive mod on an expensive stand. Ikea is cheap and temporary(?).
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Stopped by Magnolia today to look at $900 stand for my incoming 6187, then thought I'd check out Ikea next door. For $25 plus a can of glossy black spray paint Ikea has a 47"x17"x14hi stand that looks like it will do the job.

I just picked up a nice stand today at BB for under $300. It has a glossy black finish with tinted glass shelves. The model number is TR50X3B and will work with the new HL-S series 50", 56", and 61". The dimensions are as follows:

17 11/16" H
45 5/8"-55 1/6" W
17 7/16" D

You can actually see pics of this stand on the Samsung 1080p Discussion Thread (Page 72, Post #2148).
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... my center speaker is 12" hi. I haven't found ANYTHING stock that will suit that, and still have room for components. ... Ikea is cheap and temporary(?).

The Ikea Oppli wouldn't work for you. It's compartments are only about 10.25" high. I've been using one temporarily for almost three years.
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I'd love to hear some more feedback from owners.
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Can any owners out there comment on silk screen effect on the 87s. Someone was commenting on seeing it in the store on the discussion thread. I saw the set in CC before ordering on the PB and didn't notice that, though I will say that one time while looking at the whites I could see the screen slightly like there was a smudge on it that only showed up under the very bright whites. If this is a weakness of this set, I would think that it could be improved by a good calibration. Any observations of this in a home environment, if so could you improve it. If I have to pick a weakness, I think SSE would annoy me less than inaccurate colors, or some other issues.
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Hey Guys ( sorry, I posted this in the wrong place before),
I am an SXRD converted to dlp man now. I went through 4 sony sets with problems, and when Best Buy said no more exchanges, I got a refund. Long story short , I had been dealing with some very helpful employees at another Best Buy in the area previously. I called them to thank them for the help and they said they just received the hls-6187 and I should take a look at it. I went today and they had both the sxrd 60 inch and the sammy side by side. I fiddled with both televisions and actually prefer the sammy to the sxrd. I have loved sony for years and years, but imho they have dropped the ball recently, and I have heard a lot of great things about DLP set, so I figured I will now jump onboard the dlp camp. I was also most impressed with the blacks in this new set; they have both sets in a very dark corner with minimal lighting and I could not tell any difference b/t the sony and the sammy black levels ( great for the sammy as this is the SXRD strongpoint). The one thing the sammy seemed better at was the details in king kong and a great wall of china feed; in the feed the sxrd had a blurred look to the bricks on the great wall and on the sammy each one was clearly defined ( the great wall was being displayed from 1/4 mile away or so, therefore I concluded the sammy is great at fine details. To be honest I am sick of the sony set and can only hope this set is great when I get it next weekend. We also went to the samsung site and the official web page states it most definitely has 10 bit processing ( this is from the pdf online but not the manual). Welcome me aboard as I am happy to venture into the DLP camp.

BTW, the Silk Screen Effect seemed no worse than the 60 inch sxrd I am switching over from.
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How is the pincushion effect on these new sets for 4:3 material? That's the one thing I don't care for on my hlp6163.

What is pincushion effect??
I've read it in several threads in the past, but have no clue what it might be. I understand RBE, SDE, etc. but what is pincushion effect?

Thanks
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it means pinched or punched in the middle. play with your monitor settings for a demo
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What is pincushion effect??

Pincushion is caused by the short distance (throw) from the lens to the screen in RPTV sets. To remove it completely would be very expensive. I don't know why it's called pincushion.

To see pincushion check out any RPTV set displaying a 4x3 image on a 19x9 screen. The left and right edges of the image will bow in slightly. The amount of the bow can vary from very hard to see to obvious.

Each company sets it's own standards about how much pincushion amounts to a defect.

Of course, if you buy from a local dealer with a "no cost to you" thirty day return policy then there is nothing to worry about.

Pincushion is not adjustable on microchip displays.
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I don't know why it's called pincushion.

I agree; seems like it should be called the 'hourglass effect'.
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Pincushion: think of a cloth-covered blob with pins sticking in it. They will radiate outward because the surface is not flat. Pincushion effect in TVs may be hourglass (pinched in on the sides) because the rays to the middle of the sides (including top and bottom) are shorter than those to the corners and thus do not extend as far from the centerlines. If the source were very far away a simple flat source would show very little effect. But as we are not projecting from a great distance it is likely to be seen. You can on a CRT also tune the pincushion to make it fat on the sides like looking at a ball. In fact, this is an important adjustment on CRTs, direct or projected, just as is trapezoidal, keystone, height, and width. The height and width and somewhat the trapezoidal are adjusted by changing the distance from the screen or tilt. As remined by htwaits, none of these are easily adjusted on a DLP or LCD and should not need to be with accurate design. Plasma is inherently flat without correction.
-Ken
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How are these sets calibrated? I went into a store to look at the set and tried to extensively check out the menus - I noticed that
1. There is not ability to adjust tint through the user interface
2. Whenever, I tried to adjust individual colors for an interface it (stupidly) showed a picture of a girl that only enabled me to see the changes as it related to the picture.

Is there someway to get rid of that picture? Have Samsung owners in the past relied on service menu adjustment alone to make changes?

I think I am going to buy this set but need to be able to tweak color effectively.

Thanks

BTW, can anyone recommend a reliable etailer with good price or a local shop in the DC area?
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I also live in the DC area, why not just pre-order from TVA, thats what I did.
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I finally got to see them this weekend, it was paired up next to the SXRD. Man, the sammys detail smoked the SXRD. Like Punisher above was saying, it looked lke someone took the adobe blur tool and went over the sxrd picture.
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I know this is starting to sound like a broken record, but...

Do we know if there is 5.1 pass through via optical out yet???

Bump.
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Let me preface by saying I have a 5679 on order.

I compared the SXRD to the 6187 at CC this weekend and was disappointed. I thought the SXRD looked crystal compared to the 6187. I was getting very nervous about my preorder on the 5679. They had just setup the 6187 and I know for a fact that the SXRD has been there for quite some time. Even the girl-friend I was with (who knows nothing about TVs) said (before I said a word) that the SXRD picture looked better. I am hoping that this is a setup issue. The 6187 just looked much grainer. I'm glad to hear you guys had a MUCH different experience. I will revisit in a few days to see if they have dialed in a better picture on the 6187. Anyone else have my experience or am I just nuts?

Thanks.
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Anyone else have my experience or am I just nuts?

I spent over a year viewing various makes and models of HDTVs in B&Ms and small retailers in Michigan, Texas & California. What you'll see in any given store on any given day is a crap shoot. There were even differences in the same store/same model on different days. (Sometimes I really wondered who had control of the remote before I did.) Just make sure you have the "30-day in home" trial and if you don't like what you see, send it back!
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Let me preface by saying I have a 5679 on order.

I compared the SXRD to the 6187 at CC this weekend and was disappointed. I thought the SXRD looked crystal compared to the 6187. I was getting very nervous about my preorder on the 5679. They had just setup the 6187 and I know for a fact that the SXRD has been there for quite some time. Even the girl-friend I was with (who knows nothing about TVs) said (before I said a word) that the SXRD picture looked better. I am hoping that this is a setup issue. The 6187 just looked much grainer. I'm glad to hear you guys had a MUCH different experience. I will revisit in a few days to see if they have dialed in a better picture on the 6187. Anyone else have my experience or am I just nuts?

Thanks.

It could just be your personal preferece on the softer muted picture of the sxrd. The Sammy seems to show EVERY little detail where the sxrd is a lot softer. Every place I have seen the new sammys at, they are all tuned to super bright, super white. I would hate to see an explosion scene on one of these, might blind you the way they have them dialed in. lol
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