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post #1411 of 1998 Old 02-16-2007, 06:11 PM
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I notice that Amazon is no longer carrying the HLS4666W (just a couple of days ago that had it on sale with free shipping). It's only available through marketplace vendors.

Is this model (and perhaps the 42") being discontinued? I know the LED models are now available in 50" and bigger.

I'm looking at either the Toshiba 50HM66 or the HLS4666W. It's just a price issue now. Can't go over $1000 total.

Almost pulled the trigger on the 51F59 but found the burn-in thread (and talked to my bro who has a Mitsu CRT-RPTV). I'm gonna go with the DLP or the Sony 46" WEGA if I can get it for my limit.

Although I'm plenty satisfied with my 4266, I bought a DLP based on the price-per-screen-size (and quality -- for instance, I might not have paid the same $900 for a Westinghouse... from the displays I've seen in stores, I don't think I'd buy ANY Westinghouse).

Anyway, although I'm quite happy with the DLP, longterm my money is solidly on LCD unless some new technology we don't know about comes along... Plasma has several issues... heavy glass, gas that has to be recharged periodically, high power consumption... DLP is SOOOOO complicated I'm amazed it works as well as it does, and LCD quality just keeps getting better (or maybe I should say it's gotten as good as or better than the best of the others, given the same quality components and price-performance tier).

I know it doesn't have the 10,000-1 contrast ratio plasma does, but I don't know such a high contrast ratio is really necessary... at least I don't THINK it is. I've not been in the position to seriously compare TVs in the $3,000-and-above price range, so I could be all wet, but just from what I see looking at all the new 1080s in all three formats, LCD still looks as good as or better than the other formats with less weight, lower power consumption and fewer potential service needs down the road, I think.

Now, if I'm all wet, somebody tell me so, because I really DO want to know when I'm wrong on an issue. I just can't see the downside to LCD, however, all other things being equal.
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I'm with you on the future of LCD. I love my LCD monitors (2005FPW). For the money a 42" or larger LCD is too much for me to afford, though the Sony 46E2000 has been in my price range before with a CC coupon.

To me the screen door effect is just too irritaing to deal with as is the pixelation in fast motion scenes. Though the WEGA sets don't seem to suffer so much from it. If I can get the 46E2000 for <$1000, I'll do it.

DLP, no matter how delicate the technology of millions of tiny mirrors seems, just works. And well, with fewer artifacts IMO.

Though, I was disuaded from the CRT-RPTV by further reading on this forum and elsewhere, so maybe I will be for DLP (but not likely at this point)
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I just want to say I'm much happier now with my dad's HLS5086W. Initially I thought the image was too dark despite user setting tweaking with analog cable. He now has digital/HD cable and even 480i stations look SO much better now. Given that there's a lot of ambient light in the room, I stick with "Standard" mode, turning off DNIe, and keeping it in Warm 2. I keep the contrast at 80, everything else mid way or default (turning off NR). All in all, I'm much happier about the purchase. The HD channels look good, but I will say that I can tell the difference in resolution between 720p and 1080i (on my CRT RPTV). I just need to pick him up an Oppo 970 or Sony H75 now.

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When I first hooked up my Xbox360 to my HL5086W via VGA the colors were washed out. But I was able to compensate with the TV's color settings and now I get great PQ. Gears of War looks awesome, especially when I go on a chainsaw massacre.

So will the TV remember what settings I have for each individual input? For example, if I use "movie" settings for my dvd hooked to Component 1, but I set the TV to "Custom", for cable viewing in component 2, etc, will the tv automatically change the pictures settings when I change the input on my tv?
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So will the TV remember what settings I have for each individual input? For example, if I use "movie" settings for my dvd hooked to Component 1, but I set the TV to "Custom", for cable viewing in component 2, etc, will the tv automatically change the pictures settings when I change the input on my tv?

Yes. I have my HDMI 1 setting for my dvd player which is set to movie and my HDMI 2 setting for cable which is set to custom. On Av 1, I have the PS2, and on Component I have the Wii.

It remembers all of my settings when I switch between them.
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I just purchased the HL-S4266W for my niece and installed it this past weekend. The image on it looked fantastic. By that I mean no "black grass". This was an August build date so they may have resolved the black grass issue.

I have a HL-S4265W with a January 2007 build date. It has the black grass issue.

But it also needs a new screen, so we'll see how that goes.

EDIT: One thing I noticed between my set and the other sets that are currently in the store is that my TV has a version code of PB02. The remaining TVs at the store (November 2006 build dates) have a version code of PB01. Not sure what the version code refers to, but something has changed.
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Yes. I have my HDMI 1 setting for my dvd player which is set to movie and my HDMI 2 setting for cable which is set to custom. On Av 1, I have the PS2, and on Component I have the Wii.

It remembers all of my settings when I switch between them.

He wanted to know if he could have different custon settings between inputs.

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So will the TV remember what settings I have for each individual input? For example, if I use "movie" settings for my dvd hooked to Component 1, but I set the TV to "Custom", for cable viewing in component 2, etc, will the tv automatically change the pictures settings when I change the input on my tv?

Any setting changes to any of the modes: 'Custom', 'Movie', 'Standard', or 'Dynamic, are applied to all specified inputs.

For example, say I set and modify my 'Custom' settings for Component 1, then I go to HDMI 1, and change the setting from 'Movie' to 'Custom', I will get the same 'Custom' settings applied from my Component 1.

Each 'input' can have a different 'mode', not different mode settings. A settings change in a view mode is applied to all inputs that use that particular mode.

Make sense?

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Any setting changes to any of the modes: 'Custom', 'Movie', 'Standard', or 'Dynamic, are applied to all specified inputs.

For example, say I set and modify my 'Custom' settings for Component 1, then I go to HDMI 1, and change the setting from 'Movie' to 'Custom', I will get the same 'Custom' settings applied from my Component 1.

Each 'input' can have a different 'mode', not different mode settings. A settings change in a view mode is applied to all inputs that use that particular mode.

Make sense?

What I think can be done is you can have 4 specific settings. HDMI can be CUSTOM, Component can be MOVIE etc. that would give you he option for 4 inputs to have different settings.

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Has anyone compared the scaler of the HLS5086W to that of a lower priced upscaling DVD player? My dad needs a new DVD player; I was thinking the H75 or Oppo 970. However, if the scaler of the Samsung is just as good, I may just have him get the (cheaper) Sony 55 model which is just pure 480p component output and let the display scale.

Also, any difference with component vs HDMI on this display?

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Thanks to those that gave me the recommendations on the picture settings. Crank looked fanatastic on the new TV last night. Those settings definitely helped.

What setting might they be ?
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What I think can be done is you can have 4 specific settings. HDMI can be CUSTOM, Component can be MOVIE etc. that would give you he option for 4 inputs to have different settings.

Except if you put the same settings for Movie and Standard and Dynamic together Moviealways looks different even at the same contrast and color setting and brightness, and yes I have DNIE off on all non movie modes.
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The porn industry will make HD-DVD win over Blu-Ray....

Yes, there are secret discussions going on now and this is the format of choice.
Coming from the producers of this material themselves.
My industry source would not elaborate but pretty much said the industry would go with HD-DVD.

However, With all those Blu-Ray PS3's and currently heavy Blu-ray sales, I don't think we can make a direct parallel to the vhs - beta wars 3 decades ago!
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So, do any of you have Blu-ray or HD-DVD cranked out on these? I have the 42'', and I'm wondering which format to get. How do these players, either one, look in comparison to HD from cable? Also, is there really a difference in picture quality in 1080i and 1080p?
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Hello,
I've already asked this in the Sony E2000 Owners thread, but I also wanted the opinions of Samsung owners, so I will ask again. What do you guys think of Sony KDF50E2000 vs Samsung HL-S5086W? I saw these two products next to each other at the store, and I thought the the Sony's PQ was 10X better. So I'm wondering if this is really the case or if the Samsung at the store just wasn't calibrated correctly.

These two TVs cost about the same, so I'd obviously would like to go with the better set. So, if you guys had to choose, which one would you pick and why? As I'm not the most educated in this matter, I'd appreciate your help. Thanks in advance!

We went to the store looking at the Hitachi models and left with a Sammy because their pictures looked fantastic. Just love the flexibility of the Wiselink interface
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Yes, there are secret discussions going on now and this is the format of choice.
Coming from the producers of this material themselves.
My industry source would not elaborate but pretty much said the industry would go with HD-DVD.

However, With all those Blu-Ray PS3's and currently heavy Blu-ray sales, I don't think we can make a direct parallel to the vhs - beta wars 3 decades ago!

You're yankin' our wankers, right, Ashtonian???

Seriously, I KNOW that much to the chagrin of the "legitimate" businesses, the porn industry can and DOES drive such things (and GOOD FOR THEM), but I could SWEAR I remember renting some porn on Beta back in the 80s, during a period when we all we had here was a Beta-Hi-Fi machine, and as Sony isn't the sole owner or provider of Blu-Ray, can they make that sole decision this time, either?

Also, does anyone know what's up with the players? While my local Best Buy has a decent and growing selection of both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies and TV Shows (about the same number of each... maybe 100 or so titles), they still have only 1 Blu-Ray player on display (the Samsung), and if they even HAVE an HD-DVD player, I've yet to find it... they certainly don't have one on display, hooked up.

I haven't noticed what Circuit City has in the way of movie selections, but I DID find an HD-DVD player there yesterday, and although the HD-DVD movies all say they're 1080P, the PLAYER was capable of only 720P/1080i, which is what I had thought... For two high-definition recorded media formats that are supposedly trying to storm into the market, I sure don't see much in the way of marketing or product availability in the stores, and I don't think I'd count either one IN or OUT yet.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised while these two are duking it out to see a format superior to both and somehow less expensive to produce come in and blow BOTH their doors off... wouldn't be the first time.
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Hey guys, I've been looking at a Sammy DLP at Sam's Club.

The model number is listed as HL-S5065W. I've done a search on here for that model number and also a google search. I can't find out any info about it. What's the difference between the HL-S5065W that I'm looking at and the HL-S5066W that I see everywhere else?

I'm very close to pulling the trigger and getting this TV. Its right in my price range and I'll be using it with my Xbox 360 and my PS3.
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Yea, my local Walmart has a Samsung model number HL-S5065S
I cant find anything out about it other then what Walmart lists on their website
Here is a link http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5031321

My local store has it cheaper than that and it comes with a stand that I have not seen. I wanted a 1080p Sammy but for 600 dollars less I think I would be just as happy with 720p and this or the 5086w

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Yea, my local Walmart has a Samsung model number HL-S5065S
I cant find anything out about it other then what Walmart lists on their website
Here is a link http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5031321

My local store has it cheaper than that and it comes with a stand that I have not seen. I wanted a 1080p Sammy but for 600 dollars less I think I would be just as happy with 720p and this or the 5086w

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Has anyone compared the scaler of the HLS5086W to that of a lower priced upscaling DVD player? My dad needs a new DVD player; I was thinking the H75 or Oppo 970. However, if the scaler of the Samsung is just as good, I may just have him get the (cheaper) Sony 55 model which is just pure 480p component output and let the display scale.

Also, any difference with component vs HDMI on this display?

I just got that Sony to go with the HL-S5686W that I also just received. It's awesome. Just awesome. I had the TV initially hooked up to a cheapo progressive scan player using component and it looked ok, but I figured that since I have this really nice and big tv that I should have a good DVD player to go with it. So, I checked a bunch of reviews on Amazon and narrowed it down to a phillips -which plays everything- and the Sony 75. I had initially looked at the samsung 960, but some peculiarities of that player ruled it out for me (check the reviews over at amazon to see what I mean). So, I eventually went with the Sony which was more than the phillips, and doesn't play as many formats but has great reviews.

Let me say that I think the sony player is as good as you're going to get without using a true hd signal (HD-DVD or BLU Ray). I hooked it up to the sammy with HDMI and it looks incredible (after I tweaked the display settings a bit). I can't specifically say that the old player's component output was the problem, or if it was the Sammy's upscaling chip or if it was just the player, but all I know is that hooking the Sony up via HDMI is a noticeable difference. Everything is sharper and has cleaner lines. It's not like you can see new details in the background or whatever (like when you hook up a real HD signal) but basically everything that should be sharp and in focus looks terrific. I have no doubt that if I hooked up an HD_DVD player or a BLU-Ray player that I would notice a difference between upscaled DVD and HD, but until one of those formats wins (or we all just stream stuff through our home network --like a lot of us here do), then I'm going to be very happy with this player.

As long as you realize going in that Sony won't play everything imaginable (like the phillips or the chineese "off" brands) then IMO you'll be very happy with that n75.


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I did an extensive search and can't come to a conclusion. Does this DLP macroblock with the Faroudja chip set. Trying to decide between the OPPO 970 and the Denon DVD 757. Audio quaility needs to be good.

Any sugestions? Whats been working well with your Samsung?
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Overall, the picture quality on my HL-S4666W is nice, but I have a question about the iris and the SM. When I watched a DVD with subtitles, as the subtitles appeared and disappeared, the picture light level went up, down, up, down... which made it pretty hard to watch. I hear this is caused by the automatic iris--is there somewhere in the service menu I can set this? If you can set it to fixed--is there a particular setting I should aim for? Thanks.

Also, regarding DNIe: is it still necessary to go into the service menu and turn things like BLACK_TINT and WHITE_TINT all the way to 0 to disable DNIe--or is disabling it from the user menu enough? Thanks!
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I just got that Sony to go with the HL-S5686W that I also just received. It's awesome. Just awesome. I had the TV initially hooked up to a cheapo progressive scan player using component and it looked ok, but I figured that since I have this really nice and big tv that I should have a good DVD player to go with it. So, I checked a bunch of reviews on Amazon and narrowed it down to a phillips -which plays everything- and the Sony 75. I had initially looked at the samsung 960, but some peculiarities of that player ruled it out for me (check the reviews over at amazon to see what I mean). So, I eventually went with the Sony which was more than the phillips, and doesn't play as many formats but has great reviews.

Let me say that I think the sony player is as good as you're going to get without using a true hd signal (HD-DVD or BLU Ray). I hooked it up to the sammy with HDMI and it looks incredible (after I tweaked the display settings a bit). I can't specifically say that the old player's component output was the problem, or if it was the Sammy's upscaling chip or if it was just the player, but all I know is that hooking the Sony up via HDMI is a noticeable difference. Everything is sharper and has cleaner lines. It's not like you can see new details in the background or whatever (like when you hook up a real HD signal) but basically everything that should be sharp and in focus looks terrific. I have no doubt that if I hooked up an HD_DVD player or a BLU-Ray player that I would notice a difference between upscaled DVD and HD, but until one of those formats wins (or we all just stream stuff through our home network --like a lot of us here do), then I'm going to be very happy with this player.

As long as you realize going in that Sony won't play everything imaginable (like the phillips or the chineese "off" brands) then IMO you'll be very happy with that n75.


hope that was a good 1st post

Thanks for the comments - yes, good post. Have you tried using a calibration disc like Avia or DVE? If not, I bet you could improve it even further. He is using a two or three year old Sony DVD/VHS combo player with a different chipset than the 75 - which I'm sure would be an improvement.

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I did an extensive search and can't come to a conclusion. Does this DLP macroblock with the Faroudja chip set. Trying to decide between the OPPO 970 and the Denon DVD 757. Audio quaility needs to be good.Any sugestions? Whats been working well with your Samsung?

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Overall, the picture quality on my HL-S4666W is nice, but I have a question about the iris and the SM. When I watched a DVD with subtitles, as the subtitles appeared and disappeared, the picture light level went up, down, up, down... which made it pretty hard to watch. I hear this is caused by the automatic iris--is there somewhere in the service menu I can set this? If you can set it to fixed--is there a particular setting I should aim for? Thanks.

Also, regarding DNIe: is it still necessary to go into the service menu and turn things like BLACK_TINT and WHITE_TINT all the way to 0 to disable DNIe--or is disabling it from the user menu enough? Thanks!

First, the HL-S4666 doesn't have an automatic iris. Second, this isn't normal. My HL-S4266 doesn't do that. I've never gone into the service menus--never had a reason too. I even use DNIe once in awhile on standard broadcasts. Out of the box my picture has been beyond my best expectations. Be careful in the service menus. You can really screw things up if you don't know what your doing.
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Hey guys:

Just a quick note that my lamp has been flickering for the last 10-20h or so. I switched it back to dynamic mode, which helped for a while, but she's flickering pretty badly at that level now. BB service comes out on Monday.

Not upset about the life I got out of it, especially given the "family" duty cycle and hard use. And hell, we've definitely enjoyed those hours. My next lamp should last a lot longer, as we just bought a new house, and the DLP will be moving to a dedicated theater space and won't be used for "general TV".
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For all of you hls4266 owners out there who can't seem to live with the black grass, there is hope. I started warranty service through samsung at the end of November 06 and through several attempts to repair the set, there are sending me a brand new hls4676s for replacement at no cost. If anyone has any questions about how to go through the correct channels, just ask.
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For all of you hls4266 owners out there who can't seem to live with the black grass, there is hope. I started warranty service through samsung at the end of November 06 and through several attempts to repair the set, there are sending me a brand new hls4676s for replacement at no cost. If anyone has any questions about how to go through the correct channels, just ask.

Bought my HL-S4266 in July of 06. It had a very small amount of black grass just above the power button--so small you could cover it with an open hand. Since then it has progressively gotten smaller and now it is completely gone.

Hope your 4676 works out. Good luck!
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I have the black grass on an HLS4265 that I've had for a week. The black grass goes from the bottom of the screen to the top.

I only notice it in really dark scenes and it really doesn't bother me.

Samsung had to order a new screen for me, so I'll see how it is when the new one is installed. I'll talk to the technician about it and see what he can do since he'll be here for awhile installing the new screen anyway.
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My set was just too bad. They replaced my screen two times, plus one of the circuit cards. Judging from the info on this site, I had a really bad case of black grass (sounds like a disease). I could have lived with a small amount of black grass, but it covered my entire screen. Other than that, I loved the picture quality. I hope that you have better luck than me.
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