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post #181 of 3326 Old 07-23-2006, 09:41 AM
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I had an A10 before I got my 50E2000. The main differences are that the 50E2000 doesn't have a VGA input or Cable Card, the E2000 added an extra HDMI input on the rear. The Advanced Iris settings are also a little different on the E2000. Picture quality to me seems the same.

Thanks for the reply.


I'll explain further why I am curious to see, and hear about the new E2000 models.

I own both a 42" WE610, and the follow up 42" A10. As some of you may already know, they reduced the resolution on the A10 model, as the previous WE610/655 models had a 1366 x 768 resolution.

Upon purchasing the A10 last year, I realized that this slight reduction in resolution seemed to be evident. Or, Sony may have gone a little cheaper on the processing of the picture, either way the picuture of the A10 seems to have some slight weaknesses when compared to the previous higher resolution models. In many ways the A10 is better, but in others it's not.

Particularly noticable is the pasturization on faces, and light skin tones, it seems as if the pixels are just more noticable on faces for some reason. The screen door effect is also more pronounced because of the lower resolution.


So, I realize the new E2000 models are very similar to the previous A10, but I did notice Sony changed the chip size on the LCD panels, and thus I was just curious to see if they somehow tweaked the picture a bit, and brought it back to the better processing of the WE610, and if they'd fixed the pasturization on the light colored faces.

So, thats where I was going with all that.

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I purchased the 46E2000 the other day. Our cable has always been terrible so of course cable programs do not display well at all. I still have my old Big dish satellite (no programming) but found the British open in the clear and it displayed very well. Pretty nice clear smooth picture. If regular cable came in as well I would be very happy.

I set my dvd player to 16-9. Am a little confused. I want to watch the Dvd as it was intended to be seen with no unecessary stretching etc. Confused as to what if anything I would set my TV aspect too. Black bars on top and bottom are fine with me.

Also is this normal. In 4-3 normal mode the black bars on the sides are not even. Reading from left top to down then right top to down the width of the black bars measure approximately - 4.5, 4.25, 4.25 4.00. Is this normal or something that should be adjusted.

If I can't get better cable signals am going to call them Monday I will probably be taking the set back and or give dish a try. Otherwise it's a nice looking set.
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I've been reading through the thread, specifically about SSE and SDE. I am new to rear projection. I am looking at the 46E2000 with a viewing distance of about 10'. In the store at 10' the 46e2000 was sitting next to a samsung. Both, the girlfriend and I, could see a little something wrong in the middle of the screen (pixelation?, since I'm not familiar with SSE) on the Samsung, especially with faces. We could not see this on the Sony. Both sets had the same content playing on them.

Does this mean that my eyes are not accute enough to see the effect with the Sony? Do all RPs have this effect, and it just wasn't represented in the content that I was watching on the Sony? This was a HD signal, do these effects change with SD content? I also want to hook this up to my PC for general computer use and gaming, do these effect increase with this application?

I read through this thread on the topic of SSE and SDE, and still couldn't seem to find the answer to these. If I missed it, could you link me to a better thread. Thank you
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I've been reading through the thread, specifically about SSE and SDE. I am new to rear projection. I am looking at the 46E2000 with a viewing distance of about 10'. In the store at 10' the 46e2000 was sitting next to a samsung. Both, the girlfriend and I, could see a little something wrong in the middle of the screen (pixelation?, since I'm not familiar with SSE) on the Samsung, especially with faces. We could not see this on the Sony. Both sets had the same content playing on them.

Does this mean that my eyes are not accute enough to see the effect with the Sony? Do all RPs have this effect, and it just wasn't represented in the content that I was watching on the Sony? This was a HD signal, do these effects change with SD content? I also want to hook this up to my PC for general computer use and gaming, do these effect increase with this application?

I read through this thread on the topic of SSE and SDE, and still couldn't seem to find the answer to these. If I missed it, could you link me to a better thread. Thank you

You're description of "a little something wrong" is just too vague for anyone to answer you on. Thats a very broad term, and I have no idea exactly what it meant. If you're talking about a change in the color, or something just not normal, it was probably a problem with the content of the programming. I've seen two tvs sitting right next to each other in a store, displaying the exact same feed, and one tv was showing some bizarre artifact or picture abnormality, and i'm sure it wasn't the tv most of the time. Often times a stores signal is just crap when it's been split so many times.

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Often times a stores signal is just crap when it's been split so many times.

You got that right. Your better off trying it at home and returning within the 30 day window.

Tigerriot,

I've been thinking of returning my 50E2000 and getting the new 50A2000 from my dealer. My question is, do you think that for an extra $800-900 I will see a significant imrpovement over the 50E2000? I know you never seen the E2000 models or probably the new A2000 for that matter but based on technology, 3 chip LCD vs SXRD. Thank you.

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You got that right. Your better off trying it at home and returning within the 30 day window.

Tigerriot,

I've been thinking of returning my 50E2000 and getting the new 50A2000 from my dealer. My question is, do you think that for an extra $800-900 I will see a significant imrpovement over the 50E2000? I know you never seen the E2000 models or probably the new A2000 for that matter but based on technology, 3 chip LCD vs SXRD. Thank you.

Yes, I would tell you to get the A2000, if the extra money isn't a problem for you. The E2000 LCD's are very nice HDTV's. Of course i'm commenting on my prior ownership of two previous Sony models, that are very similar to your E2000. They present a very nice 720p picture, but the technology doesn't put off a perfectly natural picture.

The SXRD A2000 offers some nice improvements over the 3LCD technology. So, overall you'll likely notice the SXRD does look better upon a closer look. However, it's not like night and day. If you're happy with the E2000, i'd probably tell you to just stick with it for 2-3 years, and then upgrade to the newer SXRD's at that time. Technology is always changing, and the 3LCD tvs are very nice for the money. It all comes down to how much money you have to throw around.

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Thank you Tigerriot. I do love the 50E2000 picture but I'm thinking forward, I have a Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD player that currently doesn't output 1080p but if it ever happens via firmware or I do get a 2nd gen player I will have true 1080p with the A2000. I'm going to give the A2000 a look when he gets them in two weeks. Thank's again for your sensible answer.

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Thank you Tigerriot. I do love the 50E2000 picture but I'm thinking forward, I have a Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD player that currently doesn't output 1080p but if it ever happens via firmware or I do get a 2nd gen player I will have true 1080p with the A2000. I'm going to give the A2000 a look when he gets them in two weeks. Thank's again for your sensible answer.

Well, I will throw one more piece of advice towards you.

I wouldn't go buy another HDTV because it says it has a higher resolution than your current set. Resolution just isn't everything. In fact, many other factors have a lot to do with the picture quality before resolution should even be brought up. I believe the Sony SXRD sets have a better picture than the LCD E2000 because of the actual technology that SXRD uses to produce a more natural, and smooth picture, not because the SXRD says it's 1080p. Some people will try and always argue the numbers with you, I say argue the technology. SXRD is simply the best rear projection technology available right now.

Many flat panel LCD sets will also offer you a better picture than the E2000 you have right now. Particulary the Bravia, and XBR sets from Sony. The current models don't even offer 1080p, but you'll still notice they look more clear and natural than your current set.

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Prisoner, you might want to just go ahead and get the A2000 right now actually. The HD-A1 does "only" output at 1080i, but, when using a TV that does a great job at deinterlacing 1080i material to 1080p (which the A2000 does), the difference between deinterlaced 1080i and 1080p (ESPECIALLY for 24fps material, ie - all films) is virtually non-existent.

In short, you WILL notice the difference between the 720p set and the 1080p set if you are sitting any closer than 10' away. Past 10', whether or not you could tell the difference is debatable.

If the money isn't a factor though, I'd go for it. You black levels will be much better with the A2000 over the E2000 as well (just something to keep in mind).
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Does anyone know how to turn this on auto? It is greyed out on my menu to off. You can not turn it on. Is this like this on everyones? I have the50e2000.
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I believe Cinemotion only works for SD signals. I don't think you can activate it with HD, sorta like DRC.

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In the next couple weeks I'll post here if I do decide to get the A2000. I'm very tempted but I want to see it first before I commit. Thanks for the advice

Tigerriot,

point taken.

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You got that right. Your better off trying it at home and returning within the 30 day window.

Thank you. That's exactly what I'm going to do. I ordered the 46E2000, and it will be here Wednesday.

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You're description of "a little something wrong" is just too vague for anyone to answer you on. Thats a very broad term, and I have no idea exactly what it meant.

Hopefully I will never learn to desribe it, as I hope not to see it with the new set.

Thank you both and the board for all the help.
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I returned the set for a new one and no tilt / geometry issues in the new one. Yeahhhh!

Any word on service menu settings/calibration or any more general picture tweaks for this set?
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Well, I picked up my 50e2000. So far, it's way better than my old CRT bigscreen. It wont be until August 3rd before I get HD connected, but here's my set up. Nothing great, but I did build a nice stand for it.
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I returned the set for a new one and no tilt / geometry issues in the new one. Yeahhhh!

Any word on service menu settings/calibration or any more general picture tweaks for this set?

In the advanced custom picture mode set Gamma to high or max, leave evrything else off.

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In the advanced custom picture mode set Gamma to high or max, leave evrything else off.

Um, I would have to disagree with that.

At least on last year's model, you want to have black corrector on low, as well as gamma.

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Does anyone know how to turn this on auto? It is greyed out on my menu to off. You can not turn it on. Is this like this on everyones? I have the50e2000.

I think Cinemotion is only available when you have a progressive resolution (480p or 720p).
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I'm looking to get the most out of my new 46E2000 and had a few questions. First off, is the Digital Video Essentials DVD worth it?

Has anyone played around in the service menu yet? Is there a need for a red-push fix? Do you access it the same way as described in the Grand Wega V thread?
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Tigerriot, actually, if you don't want to crush blacks pretty badly, it is advised in the A10 Tweaks thread to leave the black corrector completely off. With it on even on Low, you lose a LOT of detail in darker scenes. Gamma should be set to Max, and then adjust the Iris is you want a darker picture (although the E2000 series has a different Iris control, so I'm not sure what would be best on that front).
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Which mode do you guys use for watching 4:3 SD? I've been using normal but haven't experimented with wide zoom.

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Ive had my 46e2000 for a couple of weeks now, and I have to say I love it. I went through Entourage seasons 1, and 2 over the weekend w/ my upconverting dvd player, it looked freaking great. Xbox360 is even better, and 720p digital cable rocks too.

+1 for the 46e2000
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Tigerriot, actually, if you don't want to crush blacks pretty badly, it is advised in the A10 Tweaks thread to leave the black corrector completely off. With it on even on Low, you lose a LOT of detail in darker scenes. Gamma should be set to Max, and then adjust the Iris is you want a darker picture (although the E2000 series has a different Iris control, so I'm not sure what would be best on that front).

I see. Well, from my own tweaking i've got the black corrector on "low", but i've adjusted other areas to compensate to some degree.

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I'm looking at buying a 42A10, but people in the a10 thread said it will be replaced by a 42e2000.

Does anyone have any info on this as far as specs (same as other e2000s) and release date?

I could only find the 46'' version.

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The 42" is discontinued. The 46" is the replacement.

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Anyone know how to check the hours on the bulb on the E2000? I searched and was unable to find a how-to. I looked in the service menu and didn't find anything there either.


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so I guess anyone that wants a 42" proj is out of luck...oh well


Thanks for the info.

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Just took the plunge and purchased a KDF-55E2000. It will be delivered on Saturday.
Now the expenses really start as I need to get HD Comcast, cables, and a new stand to put it on.

I will post pictures after I get it all set up.
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I used the video essentials dvd.It really did do a nice job fine tuning my picture.I have all the advance settings turned off.And the picture look's really nice.
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I used the video essentials dvd.

Where did you get that? How does that work to fine tune a picture? Sorry, total newb questions. Thanks.
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Where did you get that? How does that work to fine tune a picture? Sorry, total newb questions. Thanks.

I got it from amazon.It gives you a bunch a test patterns to adjust your picture settings.I am no videophile either and it was pretty easy to use and you will definitely see a difference.
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