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Thanks for the repost of those spec sheets. It's hard to remember everything that was in here when this thread got started.
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Ultimate A/V mentioned the dynamic iris:

http://www.guidetohometheater.com/fi...06mitswd57731/

Here's the full review:
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/re.../706mits57731/
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Here's the full review:
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/re.../706mits57731/

Nice find. Thanks. That's a pretty positive article.
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Here's the full review:
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/re.../706mits57731/

I agree the article is positive however this part concerns me:

"On standard definition DVDs played on a good upconverting DVD player, and particularly on true high-definition material, it excelled in color, detail, and lack of distracting artifacts. It's only significant real-world weaknesses are black level and contrast.

Most filmed dark scenes contain enough highlights to provide respectable subjective contrast on any decent set, and the Mits performed satisfactorily with this type of image. But on scenes that range from black to dark gray, with few or no highlights, the set was not as effective. It's true that such scenes give most video displays a hard time. They work best on CRTs, but some digital sets do better with them than others. I would grade the WD-57731 well below average on such material. And the set's measured peak contrast ratio was nothing to write home about (see "Tests and Calibration").

Fortunately, unless you're a devotee of film noir and little else, there aren't a lot of shots in most films to make this a persistent issue. But you need to be aware of it. Mitsubishi offers a feature on its more upscale sets, called DarkDetailer, that is designed to address this problem, but it isn't included on the 731 series."

Contrast and deep blacks are VERY important to me so I'll have to wait and see how the 732 series and the 73" versions do. If they don't perform well then I'm down to the new SXRD's and the JVC. Otherwise, I guess i'll be waiting a year to upgrade.
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What is Tru1080P?
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I agree the article is positive however this part concerns me:

"On standard definition DVDs played on a good upconverting DVD player, and particularly on true high-definition material, it excelled in color, detail, and lack of distracting artifacts. It's only significant real-world weaknesses are black level and contrast.

Most filmed dark scenes contain enough highlights to provide respectable subjective contrast on any decent set, and the Mits performed satisfactorily with this type of image. But on scenes that range from black to dark gray, with few or no highlights, the set was not as effective. It's true that such scenes give most video displays a hard time. They work best on CRTs, but some digital sets do better with them than others. I would grade the WD-57731 well below average on such material. And the set's measured peak contrast ratio was nothing to write home about (see "Tests and Calibration").

Fortunately, unless you're a devotee of film noir and little else, there aren't a lot of shots in most films to make this a persistent issue. But you need to be aware of it. Mitsubishi offers a feature on its more upscale sets, called DarkDetailer, that is designed to address this problem, but it isn't included on the 731 series."

Contrast and deep blacks are VERY important to me so I'll have to wait and see how the 732 series and the 73" versions do. If they don't perform well then I'm down to the new SXRD's and the JVC. Otherwise, I guess i'll be waiting a year to upgrade.

I thought the 732 was out next month?
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What is Tru1080P?

I though it was 1080 lines every 1/60 second or 1080p60. THere is a 1080p30 as well.
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I though it was 1080 lines every 1/60 second or 1080p60. THere is a 1080p30 as well.

Well it's listed on these sets, but not on last year's 1080P sets, like mine. So what is the diff?
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What is Tru1080P?

It means it doesn't "bob", just "weaves" which is a good thing.
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I agree the article is positive however this part concerns me:

"On standard definition DVDs played on a good upconverting DVD player, and particularly on true high-definition material, it excelled in color, detail, and lack of distracting artifacts. It's only significant real-world weaknesses are black level and contrast.

Most filmed dark scenes contain enough highlights to provide respectable subjective contrast on any decent set, and the Mits performed satisfactorily with this type of image. But on scenes that range from black to dark gray, with few or no highlights, the set was not as effective. It's true that such scenes give most video displays a hard time. They work best on CRTs, but some digital sets do better with them than others. I would grade the WD-57731 well below average on such material. And the set's measured peak contrast ratio was nothing to write home about (see "Tests and Calibration").

Fortunately, unless you're a devotee of film noir and little else, there aren't a lot of shots in most films to make this a persistent issue. But you need to be aware of it. Mitsubishi offers a feature on its more upscale sets, called DarkDetailer, that is designed to address this problem, but it isn't included on the 731 series."

Contrast and deep blacks are VERY important to me so I'll have to wait and see how the 732 series and the 73" versions do. If they don't perform well then I'm down to the new SXRD's and the JVC. Otherwise, I guess i'll be waiting a year to upgrade.

"Dark Detailer" will address the concerns of the reviewer. So if you don't see rainbows and upgrade to a set with "dark detailer" you will have a very nice set, in fact, if you plan on hooking up a computer the Mitsubishi is the best choice in DLP.
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Well it's listed on these sets, but not on last year's 1080P sets, like mine. So what is the diff?

Mits describes Tru1080p as follows: Keep your signal the way it was meant to be seen. Mitsubishi's Tru1080p Processing maintains 1080p high definition signals as 1080p from beginning to end. All 1080p DVI-I, HDMI, IEEE 1394 and 1080p Broadcast signals are passed through with no down conversions. The advancements of 1080p DLP® technology for HDTV viewing deliver over 2 million pixels to you on-screen for a full and true 1920 x 1080 resolution. With Mitsubishi 1080p DLP® HDTVs, you can experience the best that high definition has to offer today and be ready to enjoy all of the 1080p sources that are on the horizon.

So I believe this particular feature would only apply to a Mits model that accepts 1080p as input.
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It means it doesn't "bob", just "weaves" which is a good thing.

It doesnt matter. If you read the review posted here he talks exactly about that.
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Well it's listed on these sets, but not on last year's 1080P sets, like mine. So what is the diff?

They did not accept 1080p via the HDMI input. 2007 crop does.
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"Dark Detailer" will address the concerns of the reviewer. So if you don't see rainbows and upgrade to a set with "dark detailer" you will have a very nice set, in fact, if you plan on hooking up a computer the Mitsubishi is the best choice in DLP.

I agree. The 731's look like great sets and the 732's and 831's show a lot of promise, on paper anyways. I'm particularly interested in the 831's high contrast screen. The screen can make a big difference in PQ.
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"Dark Detailer" will address the concerns of the reviewer. So if you don't see rainbows and upgrade to a set with "dark detailer" you will have a very nice set, in fact, if you plan on hooking up a computer the Mitsubishi is the best choice in DLP.


Are you sure about that? It seems that "Dark Detailer" could mean a lot of different things.

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Are you sure about that? It seems that "Dark Detailer" could mean a lot of different things.

READ THE 731 review. The author discussin in a good bit of detail the benefits of the darkdetailer in the 732 model
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If you're referring to the Ultimate AV review of the 731, they only have (unless I'm missing it) a passing blurb about black detailer addressing the not so black blacks. Didn't say exactly how it did it.

Did you see it somewhere else?

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"Dark Detailer" will address the concerns of the reviewer. So if you don't see rainbows and upgrade to a set with "dark detailer" you will have a very nice set, in fact, if you plan on hooking up a computer the Mitsubishi is the best choice in DLP.

I don't see rainbows so no issue there. My only concern is the black levels and contrast. I assumed that the "dark detailer" enhances contrast by darkening areas. If dark detailer isn't just a black enhancer and actual makes a black screen darker that that would be great. Especially if the image is as clean as the SXRD.
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I thought the 732 was out next month?

I believe it is. Hopefully the dark detailer actually darkens black levels.
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I just viewed the 57731 and looked to see if the 4x3 cropped issue was resolved. It wasn't!
But, according to the review, you would never know this;
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to display a correctly proportioned 4:3 image with black bars on either side, you don't select Standard—the obvious choice—you choose Narrow.

Wrong! It's NOT "correctly portioned"! Better look closer.

ANY ANALOG material via the tuner, composite or S-Video will have the sides reduced (cropped) appartently as much as last years models.

If you haven't seen it here is the thread I started last year on this (and other) issues;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=593005

At least the 'power hog' when off issue was addressed (somewhat), BUT according to that review;
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How would that affect the 'recording' to an external device (HD-HDD or D-VHS deck)?
And can the 732 do a manual timer recording to an external 1394 device??

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That DD feature was in some of last year's Mits models. Are there any pro reviews out there that discuss how effective it was? Is it a Dynamic Iris?
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That DD feature was in some of last year's Mits models. Are there any pro reviews out there that discuss how effective it was? Is it a Dynamic Iris?

I would say it was very effective. My blacks are black. Even an HD CRT fanatic was impressed and he is very picky. IIRC it is a dynamic iris. The new ones don't use it anymore?
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They did not accept 1080p via the HDMI input. 2007 crop does.

Not entirely true IIRC. Some were able to input PC signals at whatever the cards were putting out. Check out the older model thread.
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Nice find videobruce. I could understand your frustration with this if you can't deal with watching 4:3 content in any sort of stretched mode. Thankfully I am use to it now, and most of my content watching is in HD now as well. I don't think this is going to be too big of a deal breaker for the majority of possible future owners of these 2006 Mits'.
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I would say it was very effective. My blacks are black. Even an HD CRT fanatic was impressed and he is very picky. IIRC it is a dynamic iris. The new ones don't use it anymore?

Thanks, that is encouraging. I would assume that if DD was a dynamic iris last year then it will be this year as well. As a current owner are you happy with your set's performance and reliability? Would you still recommend the Mits brand?
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Just did a google search for the Mits WD-65831 and it brought up a LYCOS site where you can now purchase the set. It didn't have any of the 732 series but it did have the WD-65831 and the WD-73831. Interesting considering not even the Mits site lists them yet. I'm just hoping they will actually be out mid August like most people say they will.
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Thanks, that is encouraging. I would assume that if DD was a dynamic iris last year then it will be this year as well. As a current owner are you happy with your set's performance and reliability? Would you still recommend the Mits brand?

Just to be sure, I have the 62628 older model. I am happy with it and have been a Mitz fan for 20 years now.
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Just did a google search for the Mits WD-65831 and it brought up a LYCOS site where you can now purchase the set. It didn't have any of the 732 series but it did have the WD-65831 and the WD-73831. Interesting considering not even the Mits site lists them yet. I'm just hoping they will actually be out mid August like most people say they will.

The picture they show for the 73831 actually looks to be the 73732 from what I've seen. I find this to be highly questionable. Fun to search for nonetheless!
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Walts is showing the 73831 coming in August and has the correct picture of it. They also appear to show the 732's in stock, however list no price so that could be questionable as well.

http://www.walts.com/product_display...model=WD-73831
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Walts is showing the 73831 coming in August and has the correct picture of it. They also appear to show the 732's in stock, however list no price so that could be questionable as well.

http://www.walts.com/product_display...model=WD-73831

I'm not sure if the 73821 is correct. The 731 shows the black thin trim around the screen and I think that's actually the 732 model. The 831 looks just like last years diamond although it's in black.

Has anyone else noticed the lack of info from manufacturers this year? No pricing yet on the Mits' and we weren't even for sure about the true MSRP until it was actually released. Same kinda thing going on with the SXRD. Mits doesn't even have a press release on their website .
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