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Can i get a complete UNBIAS comparison of the picture quality of the A2000 vs XBR1? I've had an XBR1 for a couple weeks and I will return it for the A2000 if CNET's review says that the picture quality is the same, or that 1080p input looks better on A2000... I'm pretty sure I will get the A2000 at the same price I paid for the XBR1.
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i went to resellerratings to check out "Lie's O.U.T.P.O.S.T" and to my dismay, they have horrible reviews. I would think that a big company like "Lies" would have many satisfied customers. However, they do have an amazing price, free shipping and no tax to most states

The problem is they've only partnered with that website (I think). What I wouldn't give to have a B&M store by me. That get the best deals on everything (My conspiracy theory is all the major chains have gentlemen's agreement/collusion never to run real sales so they don't have to cannibalize each other. Since Fry's isn't really a national chain, they do what they want and have no such agreements. It's disgusting to see no one every running real sales anymore, and then to see what Fry's is listing every week (Through CAG and Fatwallets). Rants over.)
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Stopped by a CC with the wife unit to show her the a2000. They had it set up beside a Sammy HLS. I think both sets are winners but I can see rainbows so the HLS is out. They had the standard Sony material showing and the wife commented that it looked like looking out a window. I asked them to put some SD on and the screen turned to a green tint. I thought "oh no, not again". They put on the Sammy and it had the same thing so it turned out to be the DA feeding both tvs. I then looked very close at vertical white lines and noticed green shadow on one side and magenta on the other and thought "oh no, panel alignment again" (I have seen it on XBR1s). I then compared it to the Sammy and it showed it also and we know they only have one panel so it must have been the feed. The SD was what I would call Okay, but the HD was extremely good. I still want to see the JVC FN and figure the prices will settle down by then. Interesting how fast the price is falling especially since Fry's pricing came in the last few days... I may go by the local one to see if that is the in-store price as well. BTW, the Sony was in "torch" mode and still looked good.

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The Fry's deal MUST be a price mistake. If you've not bought your 60" yet, buy it NOW from Fry's and hope they honor the price. Knowing the cost of these, there's no way they can sell them at this price with free shipping for long....if at all.
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wow that fry's deal absolutely disgusts me... since i don't have a fry's in my area
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Furthest seat on couch is fine, middle seat is 7' away and is at a bit of an angle (45 deg) to the TV..but still watchable. I would have no issue sitting there if I had friends & family over. In the closest seat, the picture suddenly becomes dimmer and the viewing angle is too sharp. 2 out of 3's not bad though at that distance & angle.


Just curious what the overall dimensions of that room are?
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The Fry's deal MUST be a price mistake. If you've not bought your 60" yet, buy it NOW from Fry's and hope they honor the price. Knowing the cost of these, there's no way they can sell them at this price with free shipping for long....if at all.

Got my 60" on order from ABT, but I'm gonna be calling to get a match on that deal. Thanks for the heads up!
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The Fry's deal MUST be a price mistake. If you've not bought your 60" yet, buy it NOW from Fry's and hope they honor the price. Knowing the cost of these, there's no way they can sell them at this price with free shipping for long....if at all.

It depends if any other stores start to lower their prices as well. Sony did just say they were going to lower the prices on the new sets to be more competitive. Maybe this isn't a price mistake. Someone mentioned Cosco is going to sell the 60" for a couple hundred less than the Frys price. We shall see in the next few weeks whether the price goes up or down.

Management, I didn't think we could post links like that.

I've been waiting to see the Frys price as they are always lower than CC and BB. I was surprised it was that much lower, though.
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Got my 60" on order from ABT, but I'm gonna be calling to get a match on that deal. Thanks for the heads up!

please keep us updated on whether abt electronics is willing to match that price. if so, im going to order from abt. 6 month rating at resellerratings for outpost.com is 3.4/10!!!
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It depends if any other stores start to lower their prices as well. Sony did just say they were going to lower the prices on the new sets to be more competitive. Maybe this isn't a price mistake. Someone mentioned Cosco is going to sell the 60" for a couple hundred less than the Frys price. We shall see in the next few weeks whether the price goes up or down.

Management, I didn't think we could post links like that.

I've been waiting to see the Frys price as they are always lower than CC and BB. I was surprised it was that much lower, though.

a few hundred less than fry's?? maybe for the xbr1, not the a2000?
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please keep us updated on whether abt electronics is willing to match that price. if so, im going to order from abt. 6 month rating at resellerratings for outpost.com is 3.4/10!!!

Fry's and Outpost are not the same. I think they recently got togther or something.
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I think someone in this very thread mentioned Costo might carry the 60" only A2000, but that was only a rumor. Will have to wait and see.
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Fry's and Outpost are not the same. I think they recently got togther or something.

well, its called fry's/outpost when you visit outpost.com so..im not really sure which company is which or if they are together..as long as you go on resellerratings and the 3.4 was for outpost.com and thats where you see the great price at, then that is where youre ordering from

my point is that it doesnt matter if they are the same or not
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Please reread what I said. You have them mixed up. I think someone in this very thread mentioned Costo might carry the 60" only A2000, but that was only a rumor. Will have to wait and see.

yeah i didnt edit my comment in time..read mine now
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Does anybody live near a Fry's and can check their price in store to see if it is a valid deal?

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well, its called fry's/outpost when you visit outpost.com so..im not really sure which company is which or if they are together..as long as you go on resellerratings and the 3.4 was for outpost.com and thats where you see the great price at, then that is where youre ordering from

my point is that it doesnt matter if they are the same or not

My point is that those who have been buying from them know just how good they are with warranties and returning stuff, etc... They are a great place to shop. Stores are freaking huge. I don't think they are sponsors on this site, so I didn't want to get in trouble by saying anything about them. In fact I discourage buying from them. (I just want to be first in line tomorrow. )
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Does anybody live near a Fry's and can check their price in store to see if it is a valid deal?

I was just down there checking one out. They had the list price on the display just like all the other models did. They never seem to show the actual prices in the store if they are on sale. You usually have to have them look up the price. Still, I guess I should have asked them to make sure. Unless someone else confirms the in store price before I do, then I'll post up tomorrow morning.
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that would be great! now all I need is for you to pick me up one also because its a 3 hour drive to my nearest fry's in st louis.. the deal will probably be gone by the time i get there..

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by the way, do you discourage fry's or outpost as you stated in your previous posts

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that would be great! now all I need is for you to pick me up one also because its a 3 hour drive to my nearest fry's in st louis.. the deal will probably be gone by the time i get there..

Oh, come on! You think the price is a mistake?

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by the way, do you discourage fry's or outpost as you stated in your previous posts

I discourage you from going to Frys. I don't know where the hell outpost is located.
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Are these sets 8 bit or 10 bit color depth?
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I find it hard to believe that they will honor a price that is online if it is 1000 bucks lower than the price in store, do you really think it will work?

don't get me wrong, I would LOVE for it to be correct, it just seems illogical, don't you think?

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why do you personally discourage fry's if you don't mind me asking

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I find it hard to believe that they will honor a price that is online if it is 1000 bucks lower than the price in store, do you really think it will work?

don't get me wrong, I would LOVE for it to be correct, it just seems illogical, don't you think?

J&R is a B&M store like Frys and are way under list price. Frys is just a little more under.

Honestly, I don't know. Wasn't Sony going to lower the prices of the A2000 to be more competitive?
Is this the first sign we are seeing of that price decrease? It's still a lot of money to me.
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For those of you on the previous few pages that felt the a2000's colors didn't "pop" as much as the XBR1's, please note that this is a "Live Color" option in the Custom Advanced Option. It might take a little tweaking to make the colors "pop" (you may need to change a few settings in the custom config to make it similar to the XBR1's Vivid mode), but you can still make them quite vibrant.

Also, please remember that some of what we are talking about with the colors popping on the XBR1s is incorrect colors (red push etc.). The XBR1 vivid mode looked cool, but it was not accurate (and I think it crushed blacks). You would likely not run it in vivid mode when you brought it home from the store anyway. The fact that the a2000's colors do not pop as much by default may imply that the color accuracy has been improved. Remember we are ultimately going for true color here, not Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. While it may be true that popping colors are more noticeable in the showroom (especially with an A/B comparison), it is nice to also have accuracy. Rest assured that you can make the colors a bit more cartoony if thats what you want. I'm not sure of the absolute comparison with the XBR1, but the a2000 seems like it has enough juice for color accuracy. I'll bet with proper calibration they would look about the same (give or take a little). Time will tell if I am correct.

I wonder if the popping XBR1 colors in any way related to the green glob problem (which so far seems absent on the a2000s).

It will be nice when professional calibrators start to comment after having tweaked the a2000 series. Until then, take any color comments (including my own) with a grain of salt.

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why do you personally discourage fry's if you don't mind me asking

Maybe you missed my tongue in cheek humor.
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In fact I discourage buying from them. (I just want to be first in line tomorrow. )

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You have a very valid point Jason, I truley hope you are correct. Please post if you go tomorrow morning, I will be watching this forum for your return and hopefully good news

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yea I guess I missed it, I have never been into a Fry's and it looks as if there reviews are somewhat negative online

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