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post #61 of 1255 Old 01-07-2007, 09:06 PM
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Im so looking forward to the official release info. Im hoping for non wobulated 1080p with LED backlighting. Ive been waiting for a 61" version with the LED backlighting as well, the 56" just wasnt enough for me to pull the trigger and replace my current HLN 55".
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I wonder if we'll see an announcement from TI this week about a new DMD. The TI DLP DMD in the HL-T series is said to offer "BrilliantColor II." I did a few searches but could not find any mention of that. Past / current DLPs offer simply "BrilliantColor."
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They should use 1080p chips and wobulate them to double resolution displayed.
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I know, but I have heard that the HDMI connection is not meant to be used as a PC input.

You heard wrong.

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I have a DVI native graphics card and I'd like to be able to connect to the TV utilizing a DVI to DVI connection, rather than the DVI to VGA connection (they are directly compatible too.....assuming you have an adapter.

VGA is analog and the DVI ports on the graphics cards I'm familiar with are digital.

For video, a DVI to DVI, HDMI to DVI, and HDMI to HDMI cables are identical.

Samsung pretends that you shouldn't use HDMI so they won't have to support computer problems through their customer service.
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There doesn't seem to be that much improvement over the S series....I have the Fry's one on backorder coming in a month or so.

At this point there is no way to know how much better the HLT sets will be than the HLS sets.
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If these new sets are claiming 1080p, is it true 1080p or wobulated 1080p?

They will be wobulated and like all wobulated chips, they produce true 1080p on the screen. The label "True 1080p" is a marketing gimmick.

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I had heard that there was a new DLP chip coming out that did 1080p without wobulation. Hopefully these have the new chip.

It's been out for a while in front projectors. I've seen the Optoma front projector using the new 1080p chip.
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I have a dvi to hdmi cable (one end dvi the other hdmi) that I used to use from my x1900xt video card to my front HD lcd projector and it worked great under 80 dollars too for 6' of length

A six foot cable at www.monoprice.com is about $10. The performance at that distance is identical.
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Damn, I was hoping for a 80" or bigger from them...

-pd

It's still possible. The 2006 line includes 67" and 71" models. The LED line will not go over 61" this year.
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I wonder why there isn't a 70"+ version announced?
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I wonder why there isn't a 70"+ version announced?

CES starts tomorrow.
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CES starts tomorrow.

I cant wait, Im so on edge to buy a new Sammy for the living room with HDMI for my cable box and ps3. I gotta get one before Feb 4 so I can signup for Dave to come converge it.
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I cant wait, Im so on edge to buy a new Sammy for the living room with HDMI for my cable box and ps3. I gotta get one before Feb 4 so I can signup for Dave to come converge it.

You don't want to have your new TV calibrated until you have had it long enough to be sure it won't fall victim to early electronic failure.
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Bah, the Samsung folks in the booth tonight weren't all that talkative when I asked about their new TVs. They just gave me the link to the PR site. Tomorrow, I swear I'll get answers out of their engineers.
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You don't want to have your new TV calibrated until you have had it long enough to be sure it won't fall victim to early electronic failure.

Well I'll probably get the HLS series and leave it on for 50 hours straight to get it warmed up. LOL Wont be able to get any of the new sets till probably summer anyways.
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Bah, the Samsung folks in the booth tonight weren't all that talkative when I asked about their new TVs. They just gave me the link to the PR site. Tomorrow, I swear I'll get answers out of their engineers.

Please ask as many questions as you can from htwait's thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=779782

If you can only ask a few, get answers to #3, #14a, and #14b.
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This is exciting! I plan on buying another Samsung HDTV later this year, and moving my current one to my bedroom. I can't wait to see how the LED DLP look! I bet they will be very pricey...

50" is fine with me. My bedroom is bigger than my living room lol. 50" is almost too big for my living room as is.

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I'm happy and sad at the same time. It looks like my HL-S5679W has to go back and I'll be without a set until the prices settle down and I'll probably end up paying more for a new 50 than for the 56 I have.

That being said, it looks like the black level issue on the LED model must be fixed since they quote the same contrast ratio as the wheel version. I can only hope that they took care of the color banding in the out-of-box modes. Glad to see size flexibility in the LEDs. 56 was middle of the road, but too small for some, and too big for others.
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I'm curious how the LED displays have effected the dithering I've always saw on DLP's. I saw the previous LED model but there wasn't good content to view it (sports).

My previous complaints about DLPs where rainbows (not for me, but I don't want others seeing it on my tv), wobulation (not a big deal, but...), and dithering (huge problem).

I would have liked to see a 70" LED model too, I wouldn't hesitate too much on buying a larger tv. I currently have a 60" xbr1 and wouldn't mind getting a new, bigger tv at the end of this year.
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That being said, it looks like the black level issue on the LED model must be fixed since they quote the same contrast ratio as the wheel version.

Were the black levels poor in the 56" LED model?
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Well I got the answer to the HDMI and color wheel questions.... here

(different colors on color wheel and the HDMI 1.3 answer is sorta)
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We need more info! And I wonder what kind of impact the yellow cyan switch will give on the picture quality.
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(different colors on color wheel and the HDMI 1.3 answer is sorta)

In previous years, their color wheel was RGBYM (red, green, blue, yellow, magenta), this year the wheel has changed to RGBCM (red, green, blue, cyan, magenta).

Next, the HDMI ports are version 1.2 on the main consumer line of DLPs (75-series, 87-series), while the flagship series (76-series, 89-series) will have HDMI 1.3. The flagship series will also have other features like USB 2.0 and Bluetooth.

What in the world is Bluetooth going to be useful for on a TV?!
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What exactly is 3d Ready?

Additional DLP innovations, including the integration of a 3D display mode, will be demonstrated by multiple DLP HDTV customers at CES. Due to the speed of the DLP technology, true stereoscopic high definition 3D is possible for an immersive gaming experience. TI is working with select customers to integrate 3D imaging in future DLP HDTV models. I'm guessing we'll be able to put on special glasses for enhanced 3D viewing. Personally, I've never been a fan of it.
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Per Samsung Reps at CES today:

LED sets will be offered this year in the following sizes:
50 in. - 56in. - 61 inch.

There will be two series including a "pro" series which will start
shipping within weeks of each other. The only difference is
HDMI 1.3 for the "pro" series.

Rep stated that brightness on this year's LED sets will be on par with
the lamp based sets ( last year's LED set was not as bright as the
lamp sets ).

Claims LED sets have no possbility of "color separation" artifacts due
to the very high frequency of operation.

All sets are STUCK at 60fps again this year therefore forget about judder
free operation.

Rep said that 1080p over vga "should work" but that he recommended using
HDMI...

They also had a 71 in. lamp set that would be offered in thin cabinet this year.

I asked about 1:1 pixel mapping this year versus last year versus year before -
Rep grinned, thought for a moment, and then said he would have to refer me to
the press booth for a response to that question...

All 1080p sets this year speced at "up to 10,000:1" CR

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TI was demoing a Samsung protoype at their booth that claimed over
100,000:1 CR and was achieved by the LEDs ability to completely shut
off to produce a true black. Blacks looked very good but it was hard
to see any aditional shadow due to the animated content they were showing.

 

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I honestly don't understand the pain around 1:1 pixel mapping, not just from Samsung but others as well.

Just stick it in the user menu for *&$% sake.
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Regular depth lamp sets with hdmi 1.3 in? I assuming if they offer both that the LEDs will be more expensive?
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oooh i can't wait to see the prices on those LED models. hopefully other manufacturers will put out LED models also to keep the prices down
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What does this get you on the TV side? I know audiowise, but if I ultimately get a HDMI 1.3 receiver for the sound, what do I need HDMI 1.3 on the TV for?
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What in the world is Bluetooth going to be useful for on a TV?!

CE's may be wanting to move devices in general over to RF. I don't blame them, inter-communication between devices is endlessly better than with IR.
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