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post #3631 of 3659 Old 12-15-2013, 07:43 PM
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So, what's the concensus, A2020 owners, with regard to the COLOR MATRIX setting under the SETUP menu? Should this be on STANDARD?

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Does anyone know with certainty if I can lay this set flat for about an hour travel time?
Recently purchased a new TV and want to give my dad the 55A2020 I have, unfortunately no one I know has a ride with clearance for the 36" height.
My brother in-law has an SUV I could fit the set in if I lay it flat....not sure if that would damage anything.
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Does anybody know the defaults for the RGB Gain and RGB Bias controls in the service menu under both panel 2 and panel 9? I believe the defaults for the gain's in both 2 and 9 were 128 but I cannot for the life of me remember what the bias defaults were. I went in screwing with the service menu about six months ago because nobody ever uses the TV anymore and I didn't care if I screwed it up. However, it is in our dedicated theater room and I would like to attempt proper calibration now that I read more about the quirks of the TV. Also, the TV is just pissing me off, I want to "beat" the TV and get the grayscale [near] correct. I have had the TV since early 2007 but it only has just over 2000 hours on it. I measured the contrast ratio and black level of the TV using Calman and my i1Pro 2 and i1Display pro and the contrast ratio was like 500:1 and the black level was like .05 or something and the black screen looks noticeably blueish. Maybe I'm spoiled by my VT60. The TV can't be that bad. So, I just want to go in and put service menu items back to defaults, or close to them. I believe I only changed items in panel 2 and 9.

Yesterday I spent like eight hours attempting to get the white balance correct; I didn't even realize I had been doing it so long because I was so frustrated. No matter what I would do on one end, be it the highs or lows, the exact opposite would occur on the other. If I turned down red bias for the lows, it would increase it at the high end. Maybe that is normal for this TV. I'm used to my VT60 and it being nice and simple and don't understand the characteristics of the technology used in this set.

Also, is there a document out there that describes the service menu options? I've searched and all I found was an Excel spreadsheet listing all the options but with no description on what the items do.
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I've had my kds 60a2020 for 7 yrs now and really never had an issue. I'm on my 3rd bulb but beyond that no problems until.....
My wife calls me at work 4 days ago and tells me she was watching tv (and had been for about an hour) and the tv randomly turned off. The power led blinked green for a couple minutes then it turned back on like normal. This happened randomly (maybe every 4 hours of viewing if that often) until last night when it happened 2 times within 3 hours.
This morning we watched tv for about an hour then left. I checked the tv when we left and it was off but I think maybe it turned itself off because we got back several hours later and the power led was blinking green continuously.
I've checked the lamp and tried an old lamp (still works but very dim) and get the same thing. As soon as the set is plugged in the green power led blinks 14 times, turns off then starts blinking continuously until holding down the power button.
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I've had my kds 60a2020 for 7 yrs now and really never had an issue. I'm on my 3rd bulb but beyond that no problems until.....
My wife calls me at work 4 days ago and tells me she was watching tv (and had been for about an hour) and the tv randomly turned off. The power led blinked green for a couple minutes then it turned back on like normal. This happened randomly (maybe every 4 hours of viewing if that often) until last night when it happened 2 times within 3 hours.
This morning we watched tv for about an hour then left. I checked the tv when we left and it was off but I think maybe it turned itself off because we got back several hours later and the power led was blinking green continuously.
I've checked the lamp and tried an old lamp (still works but very dim) and get the same thing. As soon as the set is plugged in the green power led blinks 14 times, turns off then starts blinking continuously until holding down the power button.
Any ideas?


Sorry for the long post but I thought a little background might help
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I have the 50A2020...what mode do you run yours in?

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Owner of a Sony KDS-60A2020

Hi,

I'm looking to sell a 60" Sony KDS-60A2020. A two part question to anyone who might be listening out there. How much realistically do you think I should ask pricewise? And where exactly should I go to sell it? My thoughts were Craigslist (although that makes me nervous), or put a flyer up in some of the garbage sheds in my condo complex. Thoughts?
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Hi,

I'm looking to sell a 60" Sony KDS-60A2020. A two part question to anyone who might be listening out there. How much realistically do you think I should ask pricewise? And where exactly should I go to sell it? My thoughts were Craigslist (although that makes me nervous), or put a flyer up in some of the garbage sheds in my condo complex. Thoughts?
I sold mine on Craigslist a few years ago for $250 which included a spare bulb. Today, I think you'd be lucky to get $150. Wouldn't hurt to start with flyers, and if you get no bites, then Craigslist.
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This is how I see it, as I have been pondering selling my 50A2020 to buy a larger, newer set....unless you really, really need that 150 to 200 bucks, you're probably just better off storing the TV somewhere and using it in an extra room; when it's time to replace our SXRD (merely because we want something bigger down the road and possibly 4K, not because there's anything wrong with our set) I'm just gonna move the set to either our bedroom or somewhere else as there's really absolutely nothing wrong with it, and it wouldn't make sense to go through all the "hassles" of trying to unload it to a buyer for a "mere" 200 bucks or so...


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I currently have a 60A2020 and Im completely happy with it. With plasma going away now, being what I always told myself would be my next TV, would it be worth mothballing the A2020 and getting one? Again the A2020s totally fine so it should do the job for as long as its still working and lets face a bulb replacement is a whole lot cheaper than a new TV, but of all the techs I felt that plasma was the only thing that could better the PQ of the Sony. So should I start looking for a plasma or just wait it out for OLED to come down to reasonable prices...like I said Im really in no hurry. The other worry would be if OLED fails then what...
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I currently have a 60A2020 and Im completely happy with it. With plasma going away now, being what I always told myself would be my next TV, would it be worth mothballing the A2020 and getting one? Again the A2020s totally fine so it should do the job for as long as its still working and lets face a bulb replacement is a whole lot cheaper than a new TV, but of all the techs I felt that plasma was the only thing that could better the PQ of the Sony. So should I start looking for a plasma or just wait it out for OLED to come down to reasonable prices...like I said Im really in no hurry. The other worry would be if OLED fails then what...
When you get your new TV and put it side by side with your A2020 it will be very obvious that every current technology beats it by a long shot. While SXRD was state of the art in 2006 and completely blew me away back then, everything has surpassed it now. When Sony replaced my green A2000 with an LCD 4 years ago, even that looked far better - sharper, brighter, more accurate colors, better blacks, better uniformity, more efficient, faster warmup, etc.
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I currently have a 60A2020 and Im completely happy with it. With plasma going away now, being what I always told myself would be my next TV, would it be worth mothballing the A2020 and getting one? Again the A2020s totally fine so it should do the job for as long as its still working and lets face a bulb replacement is a whole lot cheaper than a new TV, but of all the techs I felt that plasma was the only thing that could better the PQ of the Sony. So should I start looking for a plasma or just wait it out for OLED to come down to reasonable prices...like I said Im really in no hurry. The other worry would be if OLED fails then what...

While I don't necessarily agree with the member who posted after you (above) regarding "better black levels" as coming from his newer LCD (as compared to the ridiculously inky, rich blacks of the SXRD), here are my two cents about it: I had emailed OPPO a question about their planned next generation media players (4K) and then asked them what they think of upgrading in this particular status we're in...they recommended to me to hold off and buy a new 4K display instead of grabbing a current LCD or plasma on the market now (unless my current 50" SXRD was dead, which it isn't) because they're gonna come way down in price as the technology evolves and it won't be that long...


I just HOPE we can afford something much larger than a 50 incher in a 4K (native) set...

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When you get your new TV and put it side by side with your A2020 it will be very obvious that every current technology beats it by a long shot. While SXRD was state of the art in 2006 and completely blew me away back then, everything has surpassed it now. When Sony replaced my green A2000 with an LCD 4 years ago, even that looked far better - sharper, brighter, more accurate colors, better blacks, better uniformity, more efficient, faster warmup, etc.
I've seen that too but some of the screens nowadays are almost too good...as in they make everything look like it was shot on video, if that makes any sense. I feel like the SXRD presents a more natural reproduction of the source material.

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While I don't necessarily agree with the member who posted after you (above) regarding "better black levels" as coming from his newer LCD (as compared to the ridiculously inky, rich blacks of the SXRD), here are my two cents about it: I had emailed OPPO a question about their planned next generation media players (4K) and then asked them what they think of upgrading in this particular status we're in...they recommended to me to hold off and buy a new 4K display instead of grabbing a current LCD or plasma on the market now (unless my current 50" SXRD was dead, which it isn't) because they're gonna come way down in price as the technology evolves and it won't be that long...


I just HOPE we can afford something much larger than a 50 incher in a 4K (native) set...
Yeah that may take a while....I honestly don't have a ton of interest in 4k right now..but Im sure down the road I may. What I do know is I dont really have any interest in an LCD TV....probably ever. So hopefully they can make OLED financially viable so it can come down to a reasonable price....otherwise it may go away regardless of it being better

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New question..so the bulb finally gave way in my 60a2020. The thing is the right side if the TV was starting to pick up a green tint. Could that have simply been the bulb going or am I having optical block failure finally? Dont really want to spend 70-80 bucks on a bulb only that have even more green tint because of the new bright bulb....is it time to finally put the old sony out to pasture?
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New question..so the bulb finally gave way in my 60a2020. The thing is the right side if the TV was starting to pick up a green tint. Could that have simply been the bulb going or am I having optical block failure finally? Dont really want to spend 70-80 bucks on a bulb only that have even more green tint because of the new bright bulb....is it time to finally put the old sony out to pasture?
That's the OB.
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That's the OB.
Sort of what I was figuring....so a new bulb at this point isnt a great idea is it? It wasnt really that noticeable, it was there, but it could be ignored.....A new bulb is probably going to make it worse though inst it?
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No worse, really. But at least you'll be able to sell the TV more easily and get a few bucks out of it.
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What could I sell it for though? 200 bucks....maybe??? Id almost rather just give the thing away and let someone else deal with it.
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What could I sell it for though? 200 bucks....maybe??? Id almost rather just give the thing away and let someone else deal with it.
Yeah, 200 tops, probably.
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Ok so I broke down and got a bulb. There wasa thread on here somewhere that someone linked about taking the TV apart and cleaning everything.....anyone know what Im talking about?
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I was one of the many unfortunate people affected by Sony's defective optical block. I had it replaced under the extended warranty / class action lawsuit. From my screenshot below, we can see that it wasn't really a fix! I have also read that Sony never truly fixed the problem and that their replacements were a stopgap measure that would eventually fail like the original optical block.

Has anyone had a successful resolution in this situation? Your replacement optical block is also bad, so Sony sends you a refurb set or cuts you a good deal on a new set?

I was hoping this set would hold out until prices on 4K OLEDS drop further, but this green tint it KILLING me!!!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I was one of the many unfortunate people affected by Sony's defective optical block. I had it replaced under the extended warranty / class action lawsuit. From my screenshot below, we can see that it wasn't really a fix! I have also read that Sony never truly fixed the problem and that their replacements were a stopgap measure that would eventually fail like the original optical block.

Has anyone had a successful resolution in this situation? Your replacement optical block is also bad, so Sony sends you a refurb set or cuts you a good deal on a new set?

I was hoping this set would hold out until prices on 4K OLEDS drop further, but this green tint it KILLING me!!!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
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You REALLY waited too long.

Unless you were one of the 35 that opted out of the SXRD Class Action Suit, you really have no recourse now.

Furthermore, Sony (as well as the Court System and the IRS) consider the life of TV set 7 years.

You are about 5 years past the time anything would have been done - although you could always try to get Sony to give you a discount on a new Sony TV. However, given the amount of money they have lost in recent years, I doubt it will be anything more than pocket change towards a Sony (which may or may not be the brand you want now).
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You REALLY waited too long.

Unless you were one of the 35 that opted out of the SXRD Class Action Suit, you really have no recourse now.

Furthermore, Sony (as well as the Court System and the IRS) consider the life of TV set 7 years.

You are about 5 years past the time anything would have been done - although you could always try to get Sony to give you a discount on a new Sony TV. However, given the amount of money they have lost in recent years, I doubt it will be anything more than pocket change towards a Sony (which may or may not be the brand you want now).
Well I did get the Optical Block replaced under the terms of the SXRD Class Action Suit. I was hoping that there was another Suit of some sort considering the "fix" really didn't fix the problem at all. Considering my luck with this set, I'm fairly confident I'll never buy another Sony product again.

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Sony's response to my inquiry...

Hi Dolf,

Thank you for your immediate response. Your file has already been reviewed and we regret to inform you that the 15% reimbursement for a brand new Sony TV (except 4K TVs) is our final offer. Should you wish to accept this offer, kindly reply to this email. We apologize for not meeting your expectations.

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Sony's response to my inquiry...

Hi Dolf,

Thank you for your immediate response. Your file has already been reviewed and we regret to inform you that the 15% reimbursement for a brand new Sony TV (except 4K TVs) is our final offer. Should you wish to accept this offer, kindly reply to this email. We apologize for not meeting your expectations.

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Honestly, in 2015, I am surprised they are that Generous.

As for 4k, that would be like asking for a HDTV in 2004 for a SD Sony purchased in 1995.
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Honestly, in 2015, I am surprised they are that Generous.

As for 4k, that would be like asking for a HDTV in 2004 for a SD Sony purchased in 1995.
The color was NEVER correct on that set. It was inherently defective and the "fix" that they came up with didn't solve the problem. I paid over 2K for that set in 2007 and fully expected to get 10 years out of it. Anyone who had "green haze" issues can vouch that this set was a dog. Sony should have replaced the set with one that didn't have the optical block flaw. That's crappy customer service. Sony has guaranteed that not only will I never buy from them again, I will also dissuade as many people as I can from buying their products. I was hoping this set could last another couple years until OLED 4K dropped down a bit more...

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The color was NEVER correct on that set. It was inherently defective and the "fix" that they came up with didn't solve the problem. I paid over 2K for that set in 2007 and fully expected to get 10 years out of it. Anyone who had "green haze" issues can vouch that this set was a dog. Sony should have replaced the set with one that didn't have the optical block flaw. That's crappy customer service. Sony has guaranteed that not only will I never buy from them again, I will also dissuade as many people as I can from buying their products. I was hoping this set could last another couple years until OLED 4K dropped down a bit more...
I hear you. I paid over 3k from mine in 2006. Turned green 4-5 years later and got it replaced with a LCD TV from Sony for $200 at that time (I did not want a repair since I knew that was only a temporary fix). That one has been running trouble free for years now. I sold my original TV for about $200, so the total cost was a wash. I'm approaching 10 years combined out of the two sets and hope to get at least another 5 years out of the current one.

It was unfortunate the original failed, but I can't really complain about the 2nd TV. Like OLED today, LCOS was a new, unproven technology, so I expected some level of risk. I think replacing my TV when they did was fair and reasonable. If I'd gotten it repaired and had it fail again, I'd be upset like you.
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I hear you. I paid over 3k from mine in 2006. Turned green 4-5 years later and got it replaced with a LCD TV from Sony for $200 at that time (I did not want a repair since I knew that was only a temporary fix). That one has been running trouble free for years now. I sold my original TV for about $200, so the total cost was a wash. I'm approaching 10 years combined out of the two sets and hope to get at least another 5 years out of the current one.

It was unfortunate the original failed, but I can't really complain about the 2nd TV. Like OLED today, LCOS was a new, unproven technology, so I expected some level of risk. I think replacing my TV when they did was fair and reasonable. If I'd gotten it repaired and had it fail again, I'd be upset like you.
Thanks for the response. I guess my mistake was believing that Sony actually fixed the defect!

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Thanks for the response. I guess my mistake was believing that Sony actually fixed the defect!
Finally bit the dust! While I could never get the color just right, the tv served me well. With all the problems people had with theirs, I'm surprised it lasted 9 years. Just bought a new bulb a few months ago hoping for the 4K TVs the settle down in technology and price, but today there was a odd green haze creeping over the screen. The optical block finally crapped out. Im replacing it with a Vizio M65 until 4k projector prices come down more and then I'm going to change the media room area into an enclosed movie room.

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Finally bit the dust! While I could never get the color just right, the tv served me well. With all the problems people had with theirs, I'm surprised it lasted 9 years. Just bought a new bulb a few months ago hoping for the 4K TVs the settle down in technology and price, but today there was a odd green haze creeping over the screen. The optical block finally crapped out. Im replacing it with a Vizio M65 until 4k projector prices come down more and then I'm going to change the media room area into an enclosed movie room.

Sorry to hear about your SXRD, bool; I will be in a similar situation very soon, as we're getting the yellow/green "spot" in the center of the screen that may be spreading outward. I, too, wanted to wait until 4K sets came down in price and the tech stabilized, but if my SXRD dies, I'll have no choice but to buy a 65" 4K set.

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