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post #361 of 14889 Old 04-10-2007, 11:44 AM
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wait why would you go source->tv->reciever. why not source->reciever->TV?

In my case it's because a) I don't have a Harmony remote and/or b) my wife hates using the receiver. At any rate I hope someone tests out the 5.1 pass through and posts a definitive answer.
Under "Connecting a Digital Audio System", the manual states:
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5.1CH audio is possible when the TV is connected to an external device supporting 5.1CH.

Also, does anyone know if the 89s series has POP (side by side viewing) and if so, what inputs can be viewed simultaneously using POP? I checked the manual, but the documentation isn't clear if I can watch an HDMI input in one window and a component input in another or two component inputs. I called Samsung and they said any inputs can be viewed, just not two different analog channels. The manual states:
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You can view Analog TV broadcasts on the PIP screen (sub-picture) when the main picture is from an external device connected to HDMI1,2,3 Component1,2 or PC.

Not exactly a definitive answer, and I need to know before I can buy my HL-T5089s
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I am tempted to order from Crutchfield for the white glove service so that I don't have to worry about having my wife help me lug the set inside the house, unpack it, do something with the packing material plus inspect for shipping damage and have her crumble in tears if everything isn't just perfect.

I went with the white glove treatment for the same reasons.

You might want to hang onto the packing material just in case you decide to return it.
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So has anyone figured out yet if the dsiplay rate is actually 120hz and isnt 60hz x 2 and beign wobbulated to 120hz?

It sounds like this question hasn't been resolved yet. Could someone test a BD/HD-DVD that normally has a bit of judder to see if the set can handle 1080/24p properly, so we can answer this once and for all?
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It sounds like this question hasn't been resolved yet. Could someone test a BD/HD-DVD that normally has a bit of judder to see if the set can handle 1080/24p properly, so we can answer this once and for all?


yeah htat woudl be great this would be my final deal breaker on eaitehr getting this TV or waiting for the sony SXRDs to coem out this summer
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Htwaits, I think you're being awfully rude. I'm entitled to post my opinion without being attacked by you. Although I haven't posted much in the forums, I've been reading them for years. I simply reported your rude post the the administrators rather than get in a big "spat" with you. Nice way to treat people.

Dude, he's just busting your noobie balls. I am a noob to AVS too so I don't have much room to talk but I guess we differ in the fact that I like having my balls busted by htwaits it puts me in my noob place and lets me know where I stand on the A/V knowledge food chain.

When you have 14,000 posts under your belt like htwaits you will either realize you need a life beyond AVS and get out more, or you own your AVS loyalty and develop a thick sense of sarcasm so you can mush on reading and responding to the same questions and boring comments over and over and over again. I am surprised htwaits has his sanity in tact at all at this point.
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By your spelling of where I thought you were posting a link to some pictures since I thought at first you were saying "Here are the picturesssss"

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Im beginning to think Im the only one who bought the hl-t5089..

Nope. You may be the first to have it, but you won't be the only one. I pre-ordered mine on the 1st of the month. Eighteen of them were supposed to arrive at the warehouse today. It servers 28 stores, so that's why I went the pre-order route with the understanding that I can cancel right up to the evening before delivery.

I'm hoping to get a call this evening or tomorrow morning to schedule delivery. Hopefully I'll have it before the week is out.

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Dude, he's just busting your noobie balls. I am a noob to AVS too so I don't have much room to talk but I guess we differ in the fact that I like having my balls busted by htwaits it puts me in my noob place and lets me know where I stand on the A/V knowledge food chain.

When you have 14,000 posts under your belt like htwaits you will either realize you need a life beyond AVS and get out more, or you own your AVS loyalty and develop a thick sense of sarcasm so you can mush on reading and responding to the same questions and boring comments over and over and over again. I am surprised htwaits has his sanity in tact at all at this point.

Yeah, well, busting balls was great in junior high and all...

That being said, Mr. Waits also has a lot to contribute. I'm not a fan of his communication style either, but he knows much and is usually very helpful.
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I am surprised htwaits has his sanity in tact at all at this point.

What makes you think he does?
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Mr. Waits ...

Thanks for the kind words about contributions.

By the way, there is no Mr. Waits.

"home theater waits" is where htwaits came from in September of 2002. In June of 2004 it's meaning morphed into something else, but that's another story.

Sorry about the style.
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I'm confused. How can people find all this time to post technical information about their new tv, but can't spend 5 minutes to take a picture for people to see? I would want to show it off. We have 356 posts in an owners thread with maybe 2 pictures in the whole thread.

It's very early days for these models. Pictures will come.
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...That being said, Mr. Waits also has a lot to contribute. I'm not a fan of his communication style either, but he knows much and is usually very helpful.

I've always liked his communication style.
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so has anyone reported any results from a LED HL-T set yet? I am eyeballing the HL-T50 like a fiend
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Well, I pulled the trigger last night on the HL-T5689S from Vann's with the bundle and the 3 year warranty. It came to $2,849 not too bad. I'll post pics as soon as I get it.
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Question....... So if the Samsung is 120hz and could play back 24fps stuff without havign to do a pulldown on it why do they still have to 3:2 plulldown conversion to convert 24fps stuff to 30fps. This makes me assume that the TV cant actually take a 24fps signal.
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Well, I pulled the trigger last night on the HL-T5689S from Vann's with the bundle and the 3 year warranty. It came to $2,849 not too bad. I'll post pics as soon as I get it.

wow how did u get that price? on Vans it says it $3200.
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Hmmm, it seems they bumped up the price $200 since last night. Maybe it was an introductory price. Yesterday was the first time I saw it on vanns, before that it was only on Crutchfield and Amazon.
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Try ABT for best pricing. the HLT6189S I bought was less than what you paid and with a 4 yr in home warranty.
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Question....... So if the Samsung is 120hz and could play back 24fps stuff without havign to do a pulldown on it why do they still have to 3:2 plulldown conversion to convert 24fps stuff to 30fps. This makes me assume that the TV cant actually take a 24fps signal.

It is proven to take 24fps. This was just verified yesterday by Eliab and David.
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Try ABT for best pricing. the HLT6189S I bought was less than what you paid and with a 4 yr in home warranty.

I checked them out online and they do not even list the HLT-6189s and the 6187 is overpriced.
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I didn't see the 6189s or the 5689s listed on ABT. I wish I would've caught that deal instead.
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Amazon also jacked up the price within the last few days. A shame, really. I was tempted.

I'd imagine the prices will start to fade by July, especially when the new SXRDs are released.
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Well, I pulled the trigger last night on the HL-T5689S from Vann's with the bundle and the 3 year warranty. It came to $2,849 not too bad. I'll post pics as soon as I get it.


I pulled the trigger last friday for the hl-t6189s.

Item(s) Subtotal: $2,688.87
Shipping & Handling: $167.95
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Total Before Tax: $2,856.82
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Total for this Shipment: $2,856.82

It was from Electronic Express via the amazon website. Normally I wouldn't buy such a big ticket item from an online retailer but I figured if I went via Amazon and had problems they would take care of it. They only had 4 in stock at the time and when I actually purchased it, I got the last one. Now they are out of stock.

I did see the Vann's one last night for 2899 but now its back to 3200.

From Electronic Express I didn't get any bundle or warrantly but that didn't matter to me as I wanted the 61 inch and not the 56 incher. If you got the 56 incher with the bundle for 2849 then the 61 incher with bundle from Vann's probably would have been more.

They ship 3 day FedEX Freight...shipped Monday and should be here by 3pm on Thursday 4/12. Can't wait.

Hopefully newegg gets my 1.3 HDMI cables here on Thursday so I can play with the TV/ps3/hd DVR hdmi cable box. I should be busy all weekend with these toys.
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Got my Hl-7s Today. I'm very impressed with the pictures. I only have one question. There is an option to optimize blacks. Turn it off or set it to low, medium, or high?

I will get pics up soon
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Try ABT for best pricing. the HLT6189S I bought was less than what you paid and with a 4 yr in home warranty.


ABT doesnt list the 89 series, only the 87. Might wanna check which model you bought.
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ABT doesnt list the 89 series, only the 87. Might wanna check which model you bought.

It isn't listed on the webpage. You have to call. They had 45 in last week. Who knows how many now.
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1 HLT6189S 25015750 SAMS Tv 61" Dlp 1080p/Led Slim
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Here we go, I received my HL-T6187S today and set her up. I definitely need more time with this set but initial impressions have me blown away. Some of the things that were important for me right off the bat and some pictures are attached of the set + on the 2007 TR500X3B stand.

The Good

Color and Picture
Wow. I was initially disappointed with the color of this set until I changed it to Movie mode and Warm 1. Most of my disappointment I found stemmed from DNIe being turned on. How they can market that thing as a "feature" is beyond me.

After those two minor adjustments the picture looks much better. My girlfriend commented "Wow, it looks 3d now!" which I've never EVER heard her say when watching anything. I'll be doing an Avia and DVE tweak this coming weekend so I can only imagine how much better it'll look.

Black level on VGA, Component looks very black to me out of the box. Like it almost matches the piano black bezel with the lights off.

I'm very pleased.

Banding
I didn't notice any out of the ordinary with VGA, Standard Definition, DVD's, and Component Wii/PS2 on any mode I fiddled with. I don't have a PS3 or Xbox yet but I'm sure the picture quality is worlds better. My initial impression is that this set corrects the problem I've read with last years 5679's.

VGA
Text, color, everything looks fantastic in VGA mode at 1920x1080P. Holy crap, this is what I was looking for. As you can tell by the pics I enjoy my gaming

Silk Screen Effect & Screen Door Effect
I'm very sensitive to SSE and SDE from my old set the Sony KL-W9000. Thankfully, this set is a huge improvement for me. As well it should be, being that the KL-W9000 technology is almost 10 years old now

SSE:
I can see some light silk screen "shimmering" on bright solid colors if I'm under 5 feet from the set. It looks very fine and uniform. When I'm 7-10 feet it's negligible. This is a personal opinion, I'm used to far worse and far more distracting Silk Screen on my display. Gf is playing Paper Mario right now with the lights off in 480p and intense solid colors look great and uniform against each other.

On a side note, I'm really surprised with how much better the Wii games look in 480p. I wasn't expecting this much of an improvement over S-Video.

SDE:
No visible pixel structure means no Screen Door Effect. I'm in love.

VGA Underscan
To my surprise VGA is underscanned in 1920x1080P mode by about 3% on top and 5% on the sides. Mine was off-center also but was nothing a quick visit to Advanced options in the Geforce menu didn't cover. I was expecting overscan to the frame. I'll tweak it later this week.

UPDATE: The PC autoadjust that was suggested did not fix the underscan on this set. I still have relatively the same amount of underscan as before. I believe the picture is 1:1 based on the sharpness and clarity of the text. I don't know how this is possible but I'd like to hear other owners results with VGA on their sets to see if this is normal.

UPDATE 2: Pressing the "P Size" key on the remote allows pretty intricate resizing and positioning of the screen. VGA Underscan fixed. I'm moving this to positives now. Thanks to TMTick for the find.

Pincushin
I measured the pincushin on all sides of the display.
Left side: 1/8th of an inch from top to bottom.
Right side: 1/8th of an inch from bottom to top.
Top: None, perfectly even as far as I could tell.
Bottom: 1/8th of an inch measuring from right to left.

I'm not sure what's normal for these displays but it seems okay to me. Barely perceivable, but let me know if I need to recalculate this or if it's alarming.

The Bad

Reflective Rainbows
I'm seeing a rainbow reflection on particular images. These are NOT the traditional type of lamp rainbows. They only appear (very faintly) on nearly entire black backgrounds with a single image. The Windows XP screen is a good test but I've also seen them on the Wii and PS2 once or twice. There are two of them, both about 2/3rds of the way down the screen in the middle and spaced about 6 inches apart.

It looks as if some very small portion of light is interfering with the black in the image. I've created a test pattern for other users to test on their HLT sets.

HLT Reflective Rainbow Test Pattern

I also got a picture of the rainbow. I now believe that this dual rainbow is a reflection caused by something behind the screen. The left reflection is much easier to see than the right... and the left one barely came out in the photo. You can see a blue distortion (this looks like a soft rainbow in person) in the photo under the windows logo and above the loading bar.

Left Rainbow

Soft Text (4-12)
I've noticed tonight that the lower right 6" x 6" of my display is softer than the rest of it. Here are two comparison photos of my win xp calendar at a similar distance, same lighting, and same camera. This one is probably pretty difficult to see.

Hard Text (Normal text on about 90% of the screen)

Soft Text (Soft text in bottom 6x6 inches of right-hand of the screen)

I believe this is also caused by the screen bowing in ever so slightly in the bottom right corner.

High Definition Material
I'm a high definition noob. I figured I could get HD channels directly from the Time Warner coaxial cable uhh... well they don't come in and I'm not sure how to set them up. My options when scanning channels are Analog/Digital and STD, HDC, and IRC for each. Maybe I need a set top box or maybe I just set them up wrong.

Any assistance would be helpful. I'd like to see Planet Earth in HD

UPDATE 4-12: Thanks to bfdtv's assistance I was able to get some HDTV via Coax Cable on an IRC search on Analog/Digital.

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