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You didn't specify a size. I assume you mean you can get it for the MSRP of a 60" A3000?
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You didn't specify a size. I assume you mean you can get it for the MSRP of a 60" A3000?

No, I am talking about price of 55" A3000
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Huge buzz kill. I left the room for a moment and came back to find the screen blank (not even any banners). I've checked all the connections. Powered off/on and still no screen. When I first turn the TV on, the power light flashes green for a period of time, then it starts to flash red (manual says it's running diagnostics). It flashes 5 times in a row (red) and pauses and then starts flashing 5 times again, and so on. Trouble shooting section of manual is not a help, but does have reference to the fact that 7 red flashes means "High Temp Warning". Anybody have any idea what might be causing the problem?
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No, I am talking about price of 55" A3000

Not bad. Seems like you have a decision to make. How big is that 5 inches to you?
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http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665153957

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Someone earlier, perhaps this thread, noticed on their new A3000 that it was running Linux.
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Lands,

I checked the manual again, hoping you missed something, and I can't find anything either. My only advice is to call Sony service and see if they can diagnose those flashes over the phone, and if that doesn't work get a tech on it. That is a real bummer, sorry man. If you find out what it is, please let us know.
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The General Public License (GPL) allows you to use free software with Linux. Free not meaning cost, just being creative.
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Huge buzz kill. I left the room for a moment and came back to find the screen blank (not even any banners). I've checked all the connections. Powered off/on and still no screen. When I first turn the TV on, the power light flashes green for a period of time, then it starts to flash red (manual says it's running diagnostics). It flashes 5 times in a row (red) and pauses and then starts flashing 5 times again, and so on. Trouble shooting section of manual is not a help, but does have reference to the fact that 7 red flashes means "High Temp Warning". Anybody have any idea what might be causing the problem?

Make sure there is plenty of ventilation all around the TV especially where the fan is.
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Thanks guys - I called Sony service (late night here), and wasn't much help (unplug TV and then plug back in). They didn't know what the 5 blinks meant, but said "the serviceman would". It sure feels like the 5 blinks means SOL.

I'll call again tomorrow during the day, and hope they'll have more info. My biggest fear is that Best Buy is going to want to service it and not replace it. If it's dead, I will want a new TV!

Ah man, this one hurts. I've been enjoying this TV so much.
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Thanks guys - I called Sony service (late night here), and wasn't much help (unplug TV and then plug back in). They didn't know what the 5 blinks meant, but said "the serviceman would". It sure feels like the 5 blinks means SOL.

I'll call again tomorrow during the day, and hope they'll have more info. My biggest fear is that Best Buy is going to want to service it and not replace it. If it's dead, I will want a new TV!

Ah man, this one hurts. I've been enjoying this TV so much.


I'm sure they'll just exchange it out. Hopefully they still have one to replace it with. Your 30 day return policy gives you the exchange anyway. They can't make you wait for repairs unless it's past the 30 days. As far as what's wrong with it, the only thing I heard about was that they were recalled back to Sony before being released to the public. It had something to do with the bulb blowing on them. Maybe one of them didn't make it back to Sony for the fix to be done on it. Good luck!!
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http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665153957

on the specifications page

The GNU GPL is included along with the user's manual and lists:

Linux Kernel
glibc
busybox
openssl
freetype

busybox is a bash-like shell which provides all the basic utilities (ln, mv, etc.) linked into a single binary. It is frequently used for small (disk/RAM limited - embedded systems come to mind) Linux installations. I'm assuming there's a debug interface somewhere in there which is controlled by Linux, or maybe DMeX uses it.

openssl is needed to setup SSL/HTTPS connections - its possible DMeX uses that to talk to other devices.

freetype is a font rendering package. Some of the possible ways I could see it being used on this TV are:

- The XMB user interface.
- Render some information from DMeX.
- Render information from the debug console.

Most of what I know is just speculation, although it would be great if we could run Linux applications on this TV!

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Lands, not saying this is the same issue, but back in 2004 when the Sony GW3 LCD RPTV came out there was an issue with the bulbs. What happened was if you turned the tv off and tried to turn it back on too quick it would get the same green/red light pattern. One would have to wait for a minute or two for the set to cool and then it would start up no problems. However, some did experience exploding or failing bulbs and many times the sets did not turn on at all. It was thought to be a protection so the tv didn't fail or the bulb explode. There are cut off parameters I believe if the set gets too hot.

Hearing there was an issue with a recall that possibly involved the bulb makes me wonder if a similar issue is occuring.

I have a back up bulb for my GW3 and it works differntly than the one I have inside the set. The back up when turned off takes some time to cool before it will let the set reboot. The one inside the display works fine and if the set is shut off, I can reboot it immediately.

I am sure you will get some good support from Sony. It just sucks being spoiled by a new toy/set and then having your toy taken away.
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It is really apparent on the Casino Royale Blu ray in the opening scene. Although there is intentional grain or what ever one wants to call it, the texture on the screen particulary skin looks like it is moving, like bugs crawling.

Casino Royale opening scene is a poor example to use as the artifacting you see is the Directors intent. I've seen it from the PSP version as I watch it on a five inch screen on a flight to Florida and up to a 57" screen. BTW I get ZERO noise in my 57" so the size element is not a factor if the processing and panel are working properly which is why I could easily view a 65-70" panel at 8.5' when the prices comes down. Are you sure your not seeing SSE?

Your overblowing the Casino Royale thing as it's a built in factor no matter which panel viewed on - the rest of the movie was crystal clear on both my Sony PSP and Sharp but the Sharp came in even clearer at 57" and of course with immersion factor the size provides. There are films where noise and color tints and such is used to have such an impact. Two million pixels natively displayed should not have a problem filling the screen properly on a 60 or 70" and there's no history of it being a problem that I recall except for gen one SXRD I owned was not good with SD but I hear that's been improved since. My 57" is worlds better at bringing out picture details than my 45" could simply by it's added size - I have no negatives comparatively going larger not even with SD. Phantom of the Opera in HD or BD should be an eye popping example of display yet it also has retro scenes which includes noise for flashback effects the Director uses as they often use Sepia tone for many effects.

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Lands -

Best buy has a 30day refund policy thats unconditional (at least the little blue card says NO QUESTIONS ASKED). I had the issue of something behind my screen and they at first wanted to repair it (this was with best buy's 1800 support).

I called the Magnolia department (as they handle any TV issues over 40") and they simply scheduled a replacement as I refused to have a tech in the TV after only 1 day of ownership. The local BB does have one of each of the 3000s up now.... they are very nice in store.

I will get the new one calibrated after 100 hours or so, unless someone finds better settings.

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i was expecting to be blown away by this tv at best buy this weekend.

First thoughts, it looks more square than cinema rectangular style. I adjusted both the sammy led and the sony a3000. The samsung won me over on picture quality. I will admit the sony menu interface was nice and very modernized. However the connectors are all on the left side. My audio cabinet is on the right side so the sammy or toshiba would fit better.

Nice tv, i just cant see the extra cost involved compared to the led sammy 61. I tried to look for something to make me say i want that set soooo much more but it didnt do it for me.

First thoughts. I also noticed a heavy antiglare screen when moving almost 60 degrees as this is a concern when watching from the kitchen and bar area.

I do wish best buy would set the sammy and the a3000 next to each other. That might be too easy though.

The 733 mits series just blows...a waste of space. everyone i have seen is just dull and drab. Now they have the 65 anmd 73 set up. Shocking that best buy doesnt have the 734s, as that is a completely differnt set, and i was impressed with the 73734 at circuit city. 36 mo financing is awefully tempting.

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See I am exactly the opposite....

I thought the 61 looked worse than the A3000 (at least the one I saw).
For me the Video inputs on the back left are an asset for my system.

My 55A3000 (yeah BB just came and replaced the unit with the issue and now I am a happy camper) is great and fits much better into my wife's new entertainment center than the 55" Grand Wega we got a few years ago and is being retired to the master bedroom (the room is 23 feet long from the wall where the Wega will go to our heads)

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I will be interedted to see what settings other owners come up with once we all start hitting 100hrs.

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i was expecting to be blown away by this tv at best buy this weekend.

First thoughts, it looks more square than cinema rectangular style. I adjusted both the sammy led and the sony a3000. The samsung won me over on picture quality. I will admit the sony menu interface was nice and very modernized. However the connectors are all on the left side. My audio cabinet is on the right side so the sammy or toshiba would fit better.

Nice tv, i just cant see the extra cost involved compared to the led sammy 61. I tried to look for something to make me say i want that set soooo much more but it didnt do it for me.

First thoughts. I also noticed a heavy antiglare screen when moving almost 60 degrees as this is a concern when watching from the kitchen and bar area.

I do wish best buy would set the sammy and the a3000 next to each other. That might be too easy though.

The 733 mits series just blows...a waste of space. everyone i have seen is just dull and drab. Now they have the 65 anmd 73 set up. Shocking that best buy doesnt have the 734s, as that is a completely differnt set, and i was impressed with the 73734 at circuit city. 36 mo financing is awefully tempting.

How is the viewing angle of the Samsung compared to the Sony? Were they both fed the same source material?
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Nice tv, i just cant see the extra cost involved compared to the led sammy 61. I tried to look for something to make me say i want that set soooo much more but it didnt do it for me.

I like the Sammy, too. You didn't notice that the Sammy smiles back? If that one didn't in the store, it likely will by the time it moves to your home. The Sammy is a fabulous set, it's simply fatally flawed.
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Allright, I have a question for you guys. I can get the Panasonic 50PZ700U which is 1080p plasma for the same price as this A3000. I really do like the pop of the plasma and was wondering what would be your reason for me to stick with the new SXRD over the plasma?

My argument has always been that you can get more for your money with SXRD but this is just not the case, am I wrong?

I'd say that you are wrong - but some of that is a matter of opinion (and what values that you put on the advantages of each). Plasma has better viewing angles. It has a certain "sex" appeal (then, mounts on wall). It does not have SSE (if that bothers you). But, that (and most all other Plasmas) has a huge glare problem, and none of them can reproduce shadows properly (the best for that is still CRT,followed by LCoS/SXRD).

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Plasma has better viewing angles. It has a certain "sex" appeal

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You are obviously spending waaaaaay too much time with tv's. I suggest that you seek professional attention.
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Went to BB yesterday. The new Pioneer plasma really impressed me, very natural compared to that fakey "neon" picture that plasma usually has. Compared to the LCDs next to it... wow NO contest. Yet still I thought the best picture in the house was the 60A2020 (they didn't have the 3000s yet) and I'm really proud of myself for not buying one at that price... Actually it was a miracle I walked out of BB with only a $35 spool of speaker wire
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I'd say that you are wrong - but some of that is a matter of opinion (and what values that you put on the advantages of each). Plasma has better viewing angles. It has a certain "sex" appeal (then, mounts on wall). It does not have SSE (if that bothers you). But, that (and most all other Plasmas) has a huge glare problem, and none of them can reproduce shadows properly (the best for that is still CRT,followed by LCoS/SXRD).

Yeah, the glare problem really is a problem for me now as well as the fake look of the picture on the plasmas. I looked at the Panasonic 77U at Tweeter today (it has the antiglare screen). Sure, you lose a lot of the glare, but all of the pop/clarity that you get from plasma is gone. Event he salesman told me that too, and he's trying to sell them.

The other thing that I have really noticed between the plasma and SXRD is the clarity/sharpness when comparing them in the store. Is there a way to get that sharpness in the SXRD that the plasmas have? do you know what I'm talking about?
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Has anybody played with the Game/Text Mode setting? Especially in regards to playing video games or hooking up a computer. Does it help or hinder? What does it do?

As well, how is the set when it comes to very timing-critical video games like Frequency, Amplitude, and Guitar Hero? For some games, I don't even notice a little gaming lag, but with these specific games I do - that's why I'm asking about these games in particular...

Thanks guys.

Next step - convince the wife...
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I like the Sammy, too. You didn't notice that the Sammy smiles back? If that one didn't in the store, it likely will by the time it moves to your home. The Sammy is a fabulous set, it's simply fatally flawed.


How can the Samsung be fabulous and fatally flawed?
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Went to BB yesterday. Actually it was a miracle I walked out of BB with only a $35 spool of speaker wire


Monster cable??????
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This thread certainly proves the adage, don't trust what your eyes see in a showroom. I like the Samsung better than the A3000. I like the A3000 better than the Samsung. The Plasma has a fake looking picture, all the pop and clarity is gone with the anti-reflective screen. I know it's all personal opinion but I also know that viewers often change their minds when they see any of these displays mildly owner calibrated in a home setting. Many of us bad mouth professional reviews (magazines) but at least they are using analyzing equipment and proper lighting conditions.
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Looked everywhere online and didn't find anyone saying they would have it in til end of the month beginning of next month. Interested in finding the 60.

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How can the Samsung be fabulous and fatally flawed?

They aren't mutually exclusive in this case. The fatal flaw is the geometry, but th PQ is very good. Features, price, picture all are fabulous, but I wouldn't own one due to the geometry. Some can get by that however and are very happy with their sets.
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Has anybody played with the Game/Text Mode setting? Especially in regards to playing video games or hooking up a computer. Does it help or hinder? What does it do?

As well, how is the set when it comes to very timing-critical video games like Frequency, Amplitude, and Guitar Hero? For some games, I don't even notice a little gaming lag, but with these specific games I do - that's why I'm asking about these games in particular...

Thanks guys.

Next step - convince the wife...

The previous models (A2000/2020) were some of the best in terms of gaming lag with game mode on, so I'm assuming the A3000 is still on par with that. That said, the lag was still noticeable in GH1, it simply made the game playable. The game mode helps by turning off extra processing, but the scaling and de-interlacing of the 480i source of the PS2 still creates some lag.
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