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post #901 of 15311 Old 08-25-2007, 07:40 AM
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No, but I wish I did now. It didn't matter with my A2000, but it sure does with the A3000. I think they design their own stands because it does get you close to the sweet spot on the TV. My stand has got to go now. I tried to save a few bucks and bought a piano black stand with aluminum pillars. It looks nice, but it's too tall for this TV. I was able to tolerate it for the A2000 but not for long on the A3000, besides looking strait ahead instead of slightly upword is better in the long run. Give us some opinions on your stand when you get it. I think you made a good choice because in the showrooms when they use the Sony stands they seem to be at the perfect height to make you want to pull up a seat. I'll be doing some bargain shopping for a stand. Maybe they'll discontinue the old stands and redesign them for the A3000 because I really don't want to pay $350 for a TV stand. Good luck!!

How tall is your current stand?
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straight from the Sonystyle web site. http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665227479 if this is what the sony stand is. I think I'd shoot for something close.

by the way. it states that the 55" is shippong NOW and the 50 & 60" are "this fall"
Product Specifications

Weight (Approx.)
100.3 lbs

Dimensions (Approx.)
55.1” x 17” x 19.3” (W x H x D)

Packaging
60.5” 21.7” 9.5” (W x H x D) approx
Packaging-2
116.8 lbs approx
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I've been thinking of the Samsung HLT 56" sets, but have been having problems finding one around here for some reason. Are you saying the viewing angles are pretty bad on those compared to these Sony's?

I think if the 3000 has a worse viewing angles than the 2020's I might just save my money and get the 2020

I have been looking at the Sony A2020, A3000 series, and the Samsung 87 series and I think that the viewing angles are pretty close to each other. The Sony 3000 being the worst and the Samsung 6187 being the best. I have looked at these at several stores with the same opinion. I have only seen the 3000 at 2 different stores, but have compared the other 2 at more than 10 stores with the same opinion. The only thing I have noticed is that the samsungs seem to have much more blue in the picture. I am assuming that this could be set so it didn't look so blue.
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Now I am concerned that my stand is too tall because I have an entertainment center with a console in the middle that the TV sits which is 30" tall. My viewing distance is probably 10 feet and my TV arrives Wednesday. Is this going to be bad/unfavorable?
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I currently have my 60 sitting on the ledge of my fireplace, which is about 18" off the ground. From my couch I am sitting about 4 or 5" below the center of the screen. I am about 8' from the TV. For my setup I would have to lower the screen down to about 13 or 14" to get it right. That seems so low, but that is where it has to be to have my eyes in the middle of the sweet spot. When I stand up from this distance the picture does wash out quite a bit. When I walk back farther in the room, say 14 or 15', it looks fine. Side to side viewing is very good. Still loving it.

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Hey, what about stands for this sucker? They had the A2020 stand on Amazon for $240, but these new sets are quite a bit smaller.

model stand: SURS11XB

Anyone have anything that fits for around the same price? I put in an order for the $240 one, but it won't ship for at least another 20 days or so.

Anyone have any suggestions?

I've got mine sitting on a black $70 Ikea Lack TV stand. Works great for me and looks pretty good.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40105340
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Now I am concerned that my stand is too tall because I have an entertainment center with a console in the middle that the TV sits which is 30" tall. My viewing distance is probably 10 feet and my TV arrives Wednesday. Is this going to be bad/unfavorable?

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Now I am concerned that my stand is too tall because I have an entertainment center with a console in the middle that the TV sits which is 30" tall. My viewing distance is probably 10 feet and my TV arrives Wednesday. Is this going to be bad/unfavorable?

I'd say it's well on the tall side. The problem you'll face is that the tv stand is 30" tall, then the bottom of the actual picture screen will be 8" above that. So you're looking at the bottom of the screen at 40". Ideally, you want the center of the screen at eye level. I would say that you could tilt the tv at a 2-5º angle to help in finding the sweet spot, but I don't think that's feasible in your situation. I'd either consider a different tv, a different stand, or put your couch on a 30" pedestal.
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How tall is your current stand?


My current stand is 24", which in my opinion is about 6" too tall. I just think it would look better on a stand that's about 18" or 19", therefore I would not feel like I'm looking at an upward angle. So I'm going to try and find a shorter stand and hopefully one with more room for components underneath. The stand I have now is rounded and limits you to what you can store below. Just to clear the air, I don't regret buying this TV. The 1080p/24 is worth the extra cost to me. I have never seen a movie look as good as it did last night using my PS3 and a Blu-ray!! I just think Sony should have kept the same depth in the TV and then the viewing angle would have been the same as the A2000 and A2020, which was fine to me. Why did Sony think that thinner was better? In this case it made it worse, but not a deal breaker to me. Just use a good stand and stay in front of the TV and the problems are solved.
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Why did they do it? Why did any of them do it? Because they're all flat panel wanna-bes that listen to folks on message board instead of their own engineers.
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I've got mine sitting on a black $70 Ikea Lack TV stand. Works great for me and looks pretty good.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40105340


Now that is a sweet stand from Ikea!! The nearest store to me is about an hour and half away or I can just have it shipped. Did you have to put it together? If it comes assembled then I bet it's expensive to ship. Of course I haven't bought anything in long time that didn't need to be put together, so I'm sure that's the case with this. Looks perfect for my setup.
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Where exactly is the vertical "sweet spot" and how much room do you have to play with? And how do we measure to get that vertical sweet spot?

My assumption has been that the sweet spot would be to have the TV at such a height that when sitting your eye would pretty much be looking at the center of the screen. I have been assuming that along as your eye hit that middle one third of the screen you should be all right. Are what people saying is that we do not have that much leeway in the vertical?

Is what being reported means that the sweet spot is not at the center of the screen; that the sweet spot is higher or lower than the center of the screen.

There is a lot of variables that will go into calculating this sweet spot. The overall hight of the TV. WE have 50", 55" and 60" sets. Each one of those will have a different sweet spot as measured from the floor. Hence the height of the stand. The height of you sofa will also come into play. Most sofas should fall into the 18' - to 20" range. And last there is the factor of how tall are you.

It would seem that for each of these TV sets (50, 55 and 60"), each one will require it's own optimal stand height. A stand for the 50" will need to higher than for a 55" and a 55" will need to higher than than a stand for the 60". Now what these stands heights are have yet to be determined.

I have, on order, a 50" and my calculations arrived at an stand height of around 21".
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I want to give back a little. This forum is fantastic and helped me make my TV decision. I bought the 55A3000 today at Best Buy and pick it up Wednesday (8/29). They had the 60 and 55 on the floor. Tweeter and CC had nothing and couldn't give me any dates. (Tweeter is in trouble, but that's another story.) I had a 10% new mover coupon (my parents just moved in to the area) which helped. Also am getting a few bucks back courtesy of their RewardZone program. Enrolled today - didn't know it was free. Used to cost money. Nobody in the area would honor the TechDepot price. BB also wanted $400 for a 4-year warranty ("only $100 a year"). No thanks. Finally, BB has a 60 day price match promotion now through September 29, I believe.

I researched a lot and narrowed it down the 55A3000 and the Samsung HL-T5689. My decision was made when David Katzmeier, whom I greatly respect, posted a review a few weeks ago on CNET that, reading between the lines, said he wasn't too happy with the set. The big problem with the LED DLP 87 and 89 series sets, as with the 5679 LED TV that started it all last year, is brightness uniformity.

My set will sit on a JSP 55.75" wide credenza with a pair of bookshelf piers on either side that I purchased from Tweeter a year or so ago. I think it is 24" high and 24" deep. I noticed when I bought my dad the 55A2020 a while back that it said in the manual to make sure there is at least 4" of space on either side of the TV and plenty in back for ventilation. If I hadn't read that I would have bought the 60A3000. It would've fit but just barely (< 1/2" clearance on either side of piers).

My 2 cents. Thanks to Insley and others for blazing the trail. You all make me feel real confident I made the right decision.
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My set will sit on a JSP 55.75" wide credenza with a pair of bookshelf piers on either side that I purchased from Tweeter a year or so ago. I think it is 24" high and 24" deep.

Just to continue the discussion above...

I am considering the 55" and my stand of choice will be 22.5" tall. My decision to have this stand is almost as important as the TV itself because it holds all my components, looks nice, and has a covered grill for my center speaker. But I digress.

How does your KDS-55A3000 look from your 24" stand? From what distance do you sit? Any vertical viewing problems?

(In the interest of not asking everyone in this thread, if anyone else has a similar 22-24" high stand, how does it look?)

-Robert

Edit: I will be 10-11' from the TV.
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I woulk like to know how your tv looks at that height. My credenza is about 26" tall and I really like the unit. style, color and the way the rest of my gear fit is " just perfect". Therefore, I am reluctant to purchase the Sony 3000 series if viewing (vertical) angle is sooo critical. Thanks for any help you can give me on this issue
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I've got mine sitting on a black $70 Ikea Lack TV stand. Works great for me and looks pretty good.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40105340

That is a great stand. Can you measure the lower shelf opening? I have a 7 inch tall receiver I want to put under the TV but I need the opening to be big enough for it to fit and for top ventilation. Thanks!
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Hey Insly or any other owners with a 360 - Any of you folks play GRAW 2?

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It would seem that for each of these TV sets (50, 55 and 60"), each one will require it's own optimal stand height. A stand for the 50" will need to higher than for a 55" and a 55" will need to higher than than a stand for the 60". Now what these stands heights are have yet to be determined.

I have, on order, a 50" and my calculations arrived at an stand height of around 21".

About 5-8 posts up I told you the height of the Sony stand for the A series.

Here is the link for everyone to get to it. PLEASE NOTE THE STAND IS THE SAME FOR ALL THREE TV's
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665227479

Look I've got a 60" GWIII and the coffee table it is on is about 17-19" high. I looked at what the Sony stand was for mine and got something that was about the same hight.

You would think Sony would make the "official" stand the "sweet spot height".

NOW What I find interesting is the stand height has NOT changed since my GWIII. please note the height difference in the front of the TV's
Mine 60" GWIII


the 60" A3000

and here is a close up of the coffee table (and my rat's nest of wires)


I do not think you HAVE to have it RIGHT AT 17" but I would try to keep it close to that.17-22" would be my guess.
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we could have a height for laying full back in the recliner, half way up, and fully erect. Me, I want to be able to see over my feet when kicked back.

Also the sweet spot for someone that is 6'4" is not the same as for those that are 5"4".

What we really need is a tv that is not extremely sensitive to the relationship between eye height and screen center.
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84jeepjohn,

The reason for the concern, and the continued questions by myself and others, is because many of us don't want a stand so low. It's hard to get something with two shelves high for components that fit under 21".

The A2020 certainly did not have this problem. What we're trying to determine, and find hard to believe, is that Sony went from the best viewing angle of an RPTV to the worst. Surely that can't be true, so testimonials will help ease the fear. Not all of us have some A3000's nearby to view....yet.

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Well I've had my A3000 for 4 hours now and have ran it through it's paces. Overall I'm very impressed. The only thing I noticed is that the shadowing effect made by words in an onscreen menu or windows desktop as described by a few owner's is visible on my TV too, but only if I'm away from dead center on the TV. The D* Guide does it just slightly. The funny thing is that I probably wouldn't have noticed it unless I was looking for it and I hadn't gotten up from my seat to look closer. I think I'm going to replace my stand because my TV is higher than dead center. It needs to be about 6 inches lower and that issue isn't even noticeable to me. The TV seems to have a sweet spot that shouldn't be ignored for receiving the best possible picture. It has to have something to do with the thinner cabinets because I never saw anything similar to that on my A2000, which my mother was very happy to get.

Are you referring to a ghosting effect on text, etc. in the lower quarter of the TV when looking down at it from 1-4' away and 1-2' above? If so, I see the same the same thing on my A2020 and have also seen it on A2000s and A2020s in stores.
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I wish there were more pics or impressions of the actual TV instead of the stand. I haven't even been able to see this TV in person yet. Is there just a lack of owners? I know stands and viewing angle are important but would like to hear more about CR, the shadow effect, geometry, SD impressions, etc.
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84jeepjohn,

The reason for the concern, and the continued questions by myself and others, is because many of us don't want a stand so low. It's hard to get something with two shelves high for components that fit under 21".

The A2020 certainly did not have this problem. What we're trying to determine, and find hard to believe, is that Sony went from the best viewing angle of an RPTV to the worst. Surely that can't be true, so testimonials will help ease the fear. Not all of us have some A3000's nearby to view....yet.

Robert

I understand the "worry" As you saw on mine I do not have shelves LOL

I just went into BOTH the A2020 and the A3000 owners guides and they both have the same viewing angles horizontal is 65* off center and vertical is 30* off center.

The A2020 stand is 18 3/8" and the A300 was 17"........ I think most people will be ok with something up to 20-22" Something else that needs to be taken into account is how close are you sitting to the TV.

I agree let's get these owners torn away from their wonderful new sets and get some good pics and some more reports
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I understand the "worry" As you saw on mine I do not have shelves LOL

I just went into BOTH the A2020 and the A3000 owners guides and they both have the same viewing angles horizontal is 65* off center and vertical is 30* off center.

The A2020 stand is 18 3/8" and the A300 was 17"........ I think most people will be ok with something up to 20-22" Something else that needs to be taken into account is how close are you sitting to the TV.

I agree let's get these owners torn away from their wonderful new sets and get some good pics and some more reports

I looked at the 60A3000 today at Best Buy and both my wife and I thought that it had the worse horizontal viewing angle out of pretty much all of the RPTV's. I'm going with the 55A2020.
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The manual is going to be the same.....it's the same drawing. That doesn't mean anything. Those are always estimates, every individual set is going to differ a bit, just like other viewing conditions.

From what I've seen, I concur: the viewing angle is worse on the A3000. My theory on the narrower light path still seems the most logical.
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I wish there were more pics or impressions of the actual TV instead of the stand. I haven't even been able to see this TV in person yet. Is there just a lack of owners? I know stands and viewing angle are important but would like to hear more about CR, the shadow effect, geometry, SD impressions, etc.

Me too.
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Bought the 60KDSA3000 today at BB (Huntsville, AL). Price matched Tech Depot, but would not go as low at PC Connection. Bringing it from the warehouse on Wednesday. Already have some buyer's remorse as I immediately saw the 60A2020 at Sams with stand for $1987. Think the extra 2 1/2 bills will be worth it in the end.

A potential solution for the stand height issue is to tip the tv slightly forward. Of course, this hurts if your standing up viewing.
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One reason i'm not concerned with the viewing angle is it will mostly be viewed by me and also my G/F. When my G/F comes over i will be sitting in my sweetspot and she will be sitting on my sweetspot.
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How is the PQ of the A3000 in the daytime? Does tv fair welll when theres a glare from the sunlight?

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I owned the gen1 SXRD 60" and it too had a limited viewing angle and of course you had to fully sit in the sweet spot to fully gain a full appreciation and the only reason to own these still fat ass slimmer TV's.

My Dumbo was less than satisfying in any viewing unless you were sitting on your ass in the sweet region as soon as you go to stand up you lost a significant amount of clarity - this is not something new.

Point is that it's not going to be worse from that sweet spot which is the only reason to buy the damn thing. Our Owner Hugh sure isn't having a problem with it and praised it time and again and I've never seen any panel with the WoW factor in that position. Please quote where Hugh stated what non-owners are asserting here.

Know it going in that it's conditional and damn this has ALWAYS been conditional of RPTV's - we're not talking anything new here when it comes to the Sweet Spot - especially more noticeable now that they no longer elevate the TV's in the stores as you walk along they all have the issue until your perhaps 10-12' away - they don't even have chairs anymore to actually see the spot and so everyone is seeing them below the sweet spot. We need more new owners as speculation provides lots of ammo to doubt the quality as is the nature of this forum - one of it's negatives - it brings the doubting Thomases out of the woodwork to nitpick where feedback is absent. No shortage of half cup empty folks.

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