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post #1531 of 15334 Old 09-04-2007, 11:11 PM
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Finally getting this done. I am sure we could start a settings thread, but I haven't yet had mine calibrated. This is the basic out of the box settings that I have by slightly changed by eye combined with what some others have posted. These were done on Casino Royale BD on the PS3. These settings are through HDMI:

Settings:

Picture:

Picture Mode: Standard

Advanced Iris - Auto 2
Picture - 85
Brightness - 50
Color - 50
Hue - 0
Color Temerature - Warm - 1
Sharpness - 50
Noise Reduction - Low


Advance settings:

Black Corrector - Low
Gamma - Off
Clear White - Low
Color Space - Wide
Live Color - Low
White Balance - haven't changed anything here all set at 0
Detail Enhancer - Off (while this seems to give more detail it also seems to add too much noise to the PQ
Edge Enhancer - Low


Video Options:

Motion Enhancer - Standard all inputs
Motion Naturalizer - Off on all inputs. seems to cause flicker when on
Cinemotion - Auto2
Game/Text Mode - Off
Video/Photo Optimizer - Factory defaults
Video Color Space - Auto
Photo Color Space - Factory defaults
Color Matix - Factory defaults
RGB Dynamic Range - Auto
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Just bought a 55" for our new house...

Just read the XBR5 and A3000 manual side by side... and just looking for some confirmation...

The only functional differences seem to be XBR5 has 1 more HDMI input, a woofer and DRC 2.5.

Being an old Qualia 006 owner I know the build quality and optics can play a part (the 006 had the best RPTV screen I have yet seen) but these A3000 sets seem like a steal... really excited to get mine.

It was also interesting to note that both manuals had the exact same 24p True Cinema logos on the front, with no other mention in either one..


Let us know what you think Filmmixer!
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Finally getting this done. I am sure we could start a settings thread, but I haven't yet had mine calibrated. This is the basic out of the box settings that I have by slightly changed by eye combined with what some others have posted. These were done on Casino Royale BD on the PS3. These settings are through HDMI:

Settings:

Picture:

Picture Mode: Standard

Advanced Iris - Auto 2
Picture - 85
Brightness - 50
Color - 50
Hue - 0
Color Temerature - Warm - 1
Sharpness - 50
Noise Reduction - Low


Advance settings:

Black Corrector - Low
Gamma - Off
Clear White - Low
Color Space - Wide
Live Color - Low
White Balance - haven't changed anything here all set at 0
Detail Enhancer - Off (while this seems to give more detail it also seems to add too much noise to the PQ
Edge Enhancer - Low


Video Options:

Motion Enhancer - Standard all inputs
Motion Naturalizer - Off on all inputs. seems to cause flicker when on
Cinemotion - Auto2
Game/Text Mode - Off
Video/Photo Optimizer - Factory defaults
Video Color Space - Auto
Photo Color Space - Factory defaults
Color Matix - Factory defaults
RGB Dynamic Range - Auto

Thanks for kicking this off! I think a settings thread would work best considering all the price/stand/remote/other talk from non-owners, wannabe owners, almost owners and owners. I as guilty as any. Futher recommend the posters start with how they arrived at the settings: eyeball, DVD/AVIA/Displaymate, or Professional Calibration.

I'd be interested if anyone has played with the RGB Gain and Bias settings burried deep. I calibrate and profile my computer monitors for Photography work and this is where color calibration typically happens. First thing I noticed that my TV was blowing out the highlights on HDTV signals. Have not yet played with these setting but nothing else I have done has really fixed that and I haven't sent it a calibrated signal so not sure if the Football and Tennis signal where actually blown out.
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OK, I don't know if what I'm seeing is a problem with my new 55A3000 or just something I was never able to see on my older CRT RPTV, but here goes...

I noticed when watching a DVD over component the other day that a letterboxed DVD (e.g. for a 2:35 to 1 film) had 'black' lines on the display just below the upper black bar and just above the lower black bar. I thought maybe it had something to do with my Sony NS575P DVD player since I'd already discovered its progressive scan/deinterlacing functionality was not so good and that the A3000 did a better job with respect to fewer artifacts. But I digress.

So I've been looking for this same issue through my HR20 over HDMI and have found that for any letterboxed broadcast contant these black lines are always there, right next to the upper and lower bars. Has anyone else noticed this? I tried changing the TV's display size so that full-height broadcast content is reduced to where you can see the black bars on the top and bottom. I think I've seen the black line phenomenon under those conditions, but it's certainly not as prevalent. I've also tried taking a picture of the screen with LB content but the lines aren't visible in the photos.

So does anyone else notice this on their set? The Discovery channels are good examples of LB content that show the problem. In fact on their channels I've noticed that the lower black bar on LB content isn't even straight. There's a jog up midway across the screen on the bar, but I have verified that's there on a crappy 13" CRT TV.

EDIT: I just woke up the wife and turned on the 26" Sony LCD flat panel in our bedroom. I think I'm seeing the same issue there but it's not as noticeable.
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The fact that you are seeing this anomaly in the LCD FPD on top of your A3000 suggests that it is the source that is the cause of your problem. Whether that be your satellite broadcast, cable signal, cable provider, interference, set-top box, on and on...

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The fact that you are seeing this anomaly in the LCD FPD on top of your A3000 suggests that it is the source that is the cause of your problem. Whether that be your satellite broadcast, cable signal, cable provider, interference, set-top box, on and on...

I agree it's starting to look like the source, but it's from multiple sources including DVDs which had me wondering.
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I agree it's starting to look like the source, but it's from multiple sources including DVDs which had me wondering.

The wifey and I were watching LA Ink last night on TLC and this line kept flashing up on the screen just below the upper black line/box. I thought it was the TV, but I changed to Ch. 3(local news), ESPNHD, Speed, and it wasn't there. So watch out...sometimes things can come across as what we think as TV issues, when they are in fact from the source/channel.
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The wifey and I were watching LA Ink last night on TLC and this line kept flashing up on the screen just below the upper black line/box. I thought it was the TV, but I changed to Ch. 3(local news), ESPNHD, Speed, and it wasn't there. So watch out...sometimes things can come across as what we think as TV issues, when they are in fact from the source/channel.

Yeah I've noticed that same issue on TLC. I went in and checked our Sony LCD in the bedroom last weekend to verify that in fact it was TLC and not the new 55A3000. TLC seems to have some broadcast issues in that this line appears during many of their programs.

So you haven't by chance noticed the 'line' I'm talking about on LB content have you?

Thanks, Kevin
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The wifey and I were watching LA Ink last night on TLC and this line kept flashing up on the screen just below the upper black line/box. I thought it was the TV, but I changed to Ch. 3(local news), ESPNHD, Speed, and it wasn't there. So watch out...sometimes things can come across as what we think as TV issues, when they are in fact from the source/channel.

You were seeing the VITC code in the blanking area. I need to brush up on my numbers, but in the first 6-8 lines of picture used to be used for multiple pieces of data, with the assumption that all displays had some kind of overscan on them... with 1:1 pixel mapping, we see a lot of legacy junk that isn't properly accounted for on the production/broadcast side.
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You don't happen to be using an AVR reciever to reroute/switch sources, are you? It is indeed interesting why you're also seeing this on DVD on top of Discovery HD. Are the sources sharing a type/brand of cable? Do they lines only appear above the black bar only when you can see the black bar? e.g. if you zoom and/or stretch the image, do the lines also move/stretch respectively with the black bar? If it does, it is clearly and indubitably the source.

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You don't happen to be using an AVR reciever to reroute/switch sources, are you? It is indeed interesting why you're also seeing this on DVD on top of Discovery HD. Are the sources sharing a type/brand of cable? Do they lines only appear above the black bar only when you can see the black bar? e.g. if you zoom and/or stretch the image, do the lines also move/stretch respectively with the black bar? If it does, it is clearly and indubitably the source.

All of my sources are connected directly to the A3000: DVD via Component1, HR20 via HDMI1, and Hughes HDVR2 via S-Video (aaargh!). None of the associated cables are from the same manufacturer. And I should've been clearer I think - the Discover channels I was referring to are the various SD Discover channels (Times, Science, plain old Disc, etc).

I'm feeling better about the A3000 now that I've seen this anomoly on my LCD flat panel, and even to a barely noticeable extent on a 13" color TV. But I guess I'd like to understand the issue better to put my mind at ease!
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Here are my settings after a couple more hours of calibration with a DTP-94. Found out that Warm2 is actually closer to 6500k. :P

***WARNING: I'm an amateur when it comes to calibration. PQ is all in the eye of the beholder, YMMV.***

HTPC thru HDMI with a Nvidia 8800GTS @ 1920x1080x24p

Picture:

Picture Mode: Custom

Advanced Iris - Auto1
Picture - 90
Brightness - 50
Color - 55
Hue - 0
Color Temerature - Warm2
Sharpness - 30
Noise Reduction - None

Advance settings:

Black Corrector - Off
Gamma - Off
Clear White - Off
Color Space - Normal
Live Color - Off
White Balance
R-Gain -2
B-Gain 0
G-Gain -2
R-Bias 0
B-Bias 2
G-Bias 0
Detail Enhancer - Off
Edge Enhancer - Off


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Motion Enhancer - Standard
(All other options factory default)

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--Nov 2012 Set, 2.2 gamma [ link ]
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So when you say you did not see ANY judder on LOTR, does that mean you saw SOME on pirates?

Maybe I just want it to be too perfect.

Like others have explained, if the stutter or motion blur is in the source, you can't do anything about that. FWIW, I don't notice 3:2 judder on ANY 24p source that I have.

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In regards to the brightness setting. . . .


I have mine at 78 and it seems good (on the 60A3000) but I see everyone else at 50.

is it possible I just like it brighter, because when I turn it to 50 it sure seems dark.

I have one big picture window on the wall that is left perpendicular to my screen, however I have the wooden blinds closed so not much light hits it.

I just find it interesting how I have my brightness much higher. Maybe my eyes are jacked up.
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With the TV running through to the HDMI port, go into Nvidia control panel. Make sure the HMDI connection is 1080p/60 or 1080p/24. Delete the monitor that is running through vga. Apply the settings. Disconnect the DVI/VGA cable. Reboot. You should see the whole boot process through the TV (HDMI) port. If not, it is an issue with the Video Card/Drivers. I'm running Forceware beta 163.44. I have my 8600GT (Gigabyte) card hooked up this way and that is exactly how I got it to work. Started with VGA and then added the second monitor through HDMI and then deleted the VGA monitor. Works flawlessly.

Unfortunately, this did not work for me. As soon as I unplug the VGA cable, the system will stop before Vista boot screen still. Thanks though

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Started watching yesterday - strictly BluRay movies at 1080p/24. Some setting observations:

Motion Enhancer:
I experimented with "Standard" and "High". It did smooth the pans out, but to my eyes, at the expense of added noise. I prefer this setting off for BluRay.

Motion Naturalizer:
This setting, according to some, is supposed to make movies more "movie like" by supposedly adding some black frames. I didn't like the flicker added. Perhaps if you want a 1930's style movie? I prefer this setting off for BluRay.

As is normal for me, I turned off all of the extra processing options that I could find - and I really studied the manual. Casino Royal was beautiful. The opening credit animation really jumped off the screen!

Scaling Comments:
My Sony BluRay player can be set to output the signal to the TV just as it is - right off the disc. In other words at this setting, it appears that the player does no scaling or extra processing. ie: Standard DVDs will output at 480p, BlueRay at 1080p/24.

With this setting, it appears that any needed scaling or extra processing is done by the TV (not the DVD player).

I've read this entire thread, and I'm wondering if perhaps some of the artifacts and other anomalies that people are seeing with DVDs might be because their DVD players are scaling and/or processing the signal before it gets to the TV - where perhaps it is processed further by the TV? If my speculation is correct, this might be a case of "too many chefs ruining the stew".

If you're watching a 480p DVD, is it better to have the DVD player scale to 1080p, or have the TV (which should have the most modern processing) do it?

Brightness Issues:
Some have wondered if the 120 watt bulb is big enough for the 60". I see no problems with illumination. The entire screen (with BluRay) appears to be very evenly lit to me. While watching Casino Royale at night with one lamp on in my living room, I had to turn the contrast down several times to avoid getting a headache! This set has the ability to crank my eyeballs to the back of my head in brightly lit scenes!

Remember, my observations are based only upon BluRay. I hope to do some experimenting this evening with Comcast HD.

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Just read the XBR5 and A3000 manual side by side... and just looking for some confirmation...

The only functional differences seem to be XBR5 has 1 more HDMI input, a woofer and DRC 2.5.

The XBR also has a CableCard slot, fwiw.
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The XBR also has a CableCard slot, fwiw.

The XBR5 does not... there is no picture or mention of a slot, and all of the cable setup centers around coax only.

The only cable card mention in the manual is this:

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Television system: QAM on cable: ANSI/SCTE 07 2006 (Does not include CableCard funstionality)

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In regards to the brightness setting. . . .


I have mine at 78 and it seems good (on the 60A3000) but I see everyone else at 50.

is it possible I just like it brighter, because when I turn it to 50 it sure seems dark.

I have one big picture window on the wall that is left perpendicular to my screen, however I have the wooden blinds closed so not much light hits it.

I just find it interesting how I have my brightness much higher. Maybe my eyes are jacked up.

Brightness basically sets the black level. Do you watch in the dark or in a bright room? If it's in the dark, lowering the brightness will result in clearly blacker blacks. It may not really be noticeable when watching in a bright room.

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Hughmc and N3W813,

You both have very high contrast (picture) settings (80-90). Did you use a calibration test to get to that setting? If so, which one?

I see SSE when I have the contrast set that high (I never saw it in any store). When I turned contrast down to the 50-60 range, the SSE was minimized. I'll have to try to calibrate it again to see if I should raise it up a little.

Also, to all owners,
Has anybody tried experimenting with bias lighting (backlighting)? I think I'm going to try the ideal lume light. I hear it helps improve black levels and contrast, so I want to try it.

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You don't happen to be using an AVR reciever to reroute/switch sources, are you? It is indeed interesting why you're also seeing this on DVD on top of Discovery HD. Are the sources sharing a type/brand of cable? Do they lines only appear above the black bar only when you can see the black bar? e.g. if you zoom and/or stretch the image, do the lines also move/stretch respectively with the black bar? If it does, it is clearly and indubitably the source.

One other clarification - the lines I'm seeing are within the image I'm watching, not within the black bars. -KG
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The XBR5 does not... there is no picture or mention of a slot, and all of the cable setup centers around coax only.

The only cable card mention in the manual is this:

Hm, well the XBR2 did. They removed it for the XBR5?
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Hm, well the XBR2 did. They removed it for the XBR5?

Seems so.. I went back and looked at the XBR2 manual and specs page to see how it was mentioned, and it is conspicuously missing from the XBR5..
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If you're watching a 480p DVD, is it better to have the DVD player scale to 1080p, or have the TV (which should have the most modern processing) do it?

It all depends on the scaler and the TV - it is difficult to make hard and fast rules here. In many cases the DVD scaler will be better as it is ONLY scaling DVD's - so it can be optimized for that. On the other hand, the display scaler is optimized for the characteristics of the display - but has to deal with many different inputs. Bottom line: try both ways.

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In the XBR5 it clearly does say CableCARD functionality not included. Perhaps people realized that having a set-top box isn't all that bad besides the hassle of having to deal with an extra remote and not being able to store your favorite channels using the TV's memory/menu-system. The signal is digital to begin with, anyway (at least for HD content and digital stations) which further quells the urge to minimize the distance and number of obstacles your signal must pass through.

But FWIW, XBR5 will have twin-view picture which I find to be useless because you can't display two digital stations at the same time from the same coax cable. The most use I've ever had with it was to play a video game in one picture and watch a show on the other.

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For those looking for a nice, inexpensive stand for the 60 inch Sony, I just got my set and this stand from IKEA: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40105340
Stand is rated to hold about 143 lbs. Comes in birch color or black. It's only 14" high which I like. I'm 6'4" and when I sit on my couch my eyes are dead center on the screen. Here's my new TV and stand.

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Unfortunately, this did not work for me. As soon as I unplug the VGA cable, the system will stop before Vista boot screen still. Thanks though

Think I might have it! Is the nVidia card forcing TV Detection? I had the same problem. I originally tried booting from DVI-HDMI and it would hang at the startup screen. To the best of my ability here are the steps I took:
  1. Disconnected DVI-HDMI Cable
  2. Connected DVI-VGA on A3000
  3. Booted up
  4. Deleted nVidia Drivers, rebooted
  5. Installed Forceware 163.44 beta drivers and rebooted.
  6. Added the DVI-HDMI Cable
  7. Manually told drivers this was not a TV! In fact, I had to accept a statement that nVidia would not be responsible for screwing up my TV.
  8. Switched TV input to HDMI 1.
  9. Verified that I was getting the image via HDMI.
  10. Disconnected HDMI-VGA cable
  11. Set DVI-HDMI monitor as the primary.
  12. Deleted the Secondar monitor (DVI-VGA).
  13. Accepted the changes in the nVidia control panel.
  14. Rebooted.

Seems to me the key was specifically telling nVidia control panel that the DVI-HDMI connection was not a TV because it wouldn't let me set the TV as the primary monitor. It always wants to default to the TV as the secondary monitor and Windows always boots to the primary and then clones or extends to the secondary. I have dual monitor setup for my photographic work and it works the same there as well. The thing with normal monitors is that if the primary monitor is disconnected it will default to the secondary, but if the secondary is a "TV" then it hangs. This was one of those things that I was trying anything late at night and I can't be sure exactly what worked.

Note: I have Windows XP MCE and Forceware 163.44 drivers.

Anyone else have an HTPC connected to an A3000 with the A3000 as "TV" and no monitor connected?
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For those with Vista have you tried running in that XP compat. type mode? Doesn't Vista have that? Another option might be some other type of video out card like a TV capture device with an S-Video port.
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Started watching yesterday - strictly BluRay movies at 1080p/24. Some setting observations:

Motion Enhancer:
I experimented with "Standard" and "High". It did smooth the pans out, but to my eyes, at the expense of added noise. I prefer this setting off for BluRay.

Motion Naturalizer:
This setting, according to some, is supposed to make movies more "movie like" by supposedly adding some black frames. I didn't like the flicker added. Perhaps if you want a 1930's style movie? I prefer this setting off for BluRay.

As is normal for me, I turned off all of the extra processing options that I could find - and I really studied the manual. Casino Royal was beautiful. The opening credit animation really jumped off the screen!

Scaling Comments:
My Sony BluRay player can be set to output the signal to the TV just as it is - right off the disc. In other words at this setting, it appears that the player does no scaling or extra processing. ie: Standard DVDs will output at 480p, BlueRay at 1080p/24.

With this setting, it appears that any needed scaling or extra processing is done by the TV (not the DVD player).

I've read this entire thread, and I'm wondering if perhaps some of the artifacts and other anomalies that people are seeing with DVDs might be because their DVD players are scaling and/or processing the signal before it gets to the TV - where perhaps it is processed further by the TV? If my speculation is correct, this might be a case of "too many chefs ruining the stew".

If you're watching a 480p DVD, is it better to have the DVD player scale to 1080p, or have the TV (which should have the most modern processing) do it?

I've only watched DVD's and HDTV so these comments only pertain to those. Also, I have the 50A3000.

Motion Enhancer:
With Motion Enhancer, I see added Noise when it's set to "High." I haven't noticed Noise at "Standard."

Motion Naturalizer:
I haven't really noticed any huge change with Motion Naturalizer. No flickering anyway.

Scaling Comments:
Generally it just depends on which thing scales better: the tv or the dvd player.

I have 2 DVD players that aren't that great. They are:
1) Onkyo DV-CP802 (component only, no upscaling in the player, generally regarded as a bad DVD player--I use it for SACD/DVD-A playback)
2) Xbox1 with XBMC media player (component only, upscaling to 720p/1080i, generally regarded as an acceptable but not good DVD player).

I couldn't get a decent image through the Onkyo. I just didn't find the scaling from the TV to be very good. Not much detail, jaggies, etc. I tried outputting 480i and 480p from the dvd player and neither just came out well. It's entirely possible that this is because the Onkyo is a bad DVD player and a DVD player that could output a good 480p image would look pretty good.

The Xbox1 did not look bad. I had aspect ratio problems with 480p and 1080i (either too fat or too skinny--problem with XBMC) so I was limited to 720p, but it looked pretty good. The colors could have "sparkled" more, but that could be a calibration issue. I'll have to try calibrating the xbox specifically.

Anyway, it seems like you can get a good image with both the dvd player and the TV doing some processing to the picture (at least from my anecdotal evidence).

I still need to get a good DVD player (PS3, Tosh HD-DVD player, etc.), but that will have to wait as my funds are a bit low.

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I have a HTPC with nvidia 6800GT, I'm using the older drivers but yeah, it wouldn't let me set the TV as "primary" display until I unplugged the VGA monitor. It also doesn't show me a screen when booting up until the desktop comes up (XP) ie I don't see the BIOS logo etc... After that it does work okay, except for when I switch HDMI inputs to another source, it "erases" the desktop and moves all the icons all around. Not a big deal, I just can't really control where the icons on the desktop will wind up...
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