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post #3061 of 5060 Old 05-14-2008, 02:54 AM
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Just wanted to chime in on the price talk. Do you think the HL61A750 will get any lower? I've been watching the price here http://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B001415FIG

The 67" does not seem worth the extra cash? Do we know if the 61" is brighter?
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...I also recall reading in this thread that the new sammy DLPs don't have the 120Hz either. I spoke with a crutchfield rep and they are not showing it as 120Hz and they are usually pretty good.

According to Samsung's brochure on the 61A750, it's 120Hz.

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Is it possible that Samsung has been refining their manufacturing processes? Maybe the A650's and A750's that are on the market today are of better quality that the ones put out in the first week or so?
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Is it possible that Samsung has been refining their manufacturing processes? Maybe the A650's and A750's that are on the market today are of better quality that the ones put out in the first week or so?

Let sure hope so. I don't see why they can't fix these issues and release the fixes with the new sets coming out. Let me just put it this way if they don't fix them I really think it may hurt them in the long run. Either way from what other users are saying they sure seem to have less issues than they did when they first came out.
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Thanks for the link although I wonder how accurate this article is since the Mits actually has a 6 Color wheel (Not 5). As i said before i could not find any mention of the DC4 on Mits site or any product spec page. I would think something like this would be touted. I also recall reading in this thread that the new sammy DLPs don't have the 120Hz either. I spoke with a crutchfield rep and they are not showing it as 120Hz and they are usually pretty good.

I'm pretty sure the new Sammies have 120Hz. I have a 50A650 and their documentation lists a Cinema Smooth 120Hz Light Engine.

As for the DC4 issue, I remember reading in this thread many pages back that TI for some reason has policies that prevent manufacturers from marketing the chip or somethign like that. It seemed odd to me, but that's what the post said. Take it FWIW. I think I've seen some projectors that market the DC4.
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TV stand question... my wife saw a tv stand at a local furniture store that she really likes. The dimensions seem to be a good fit for either the 61" or the 67" (I really want the 67"). The stand's measurements are 65"w x 25"h x 20.5"d... so basically it's just as wide as the Samsung stand for the 72", it's deeper by 3 inches and it's higher by 6 inches.

But the height concerns me a bit... most stands I've seen for big tv's like this are around 17" - 19". Do you all think 25" is too high? Prolly a dumb question but I figured the best place to ask is in the midst of experts.

Obviously I'll be investing too much in this thing and don't want to worry about it toppling over.. but 5 or 6 inches doesn't sound like a big deal. Anyone hear have a similar setup?
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I keep looking at the LED sets (vs the Mits DarkChip4 at BB, CC etc). No matter how much I play with the settings on the Sammy (which I really want due to LED) I can't get the black as black and the white as white. FOr example, in the "BB" promo they keep looping they have a Black screen fade to a blue aqua swirl and then a yellow and white BB logo. The Sammy looks "really dark gray" and "really light gray" but not "white" like on the Mits. The sammy LED reminds me more of the white on plasma and blacks (or lack there of) on LCD.

I really want to believe this is just setup/lighting etc - I was really hoping the 67" would be perfect

I don't understand some of the people who say they can't get black blacks. You must still have some settings wrong, like maybe HDMI black level, or color gamut. Have no fear, these sets have a very good black levels. They can do blacks almost as dark as my soul.
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Thanks for the link although I wonder how accurate this article is since the Mits actually has a 6 Color wheel (Not 5). As i said before i could not find any mention of the DC4 on Mits site or any product spec page. I would think something like this would be touted. I also recall reading in this thread that the new sammy DLPs don't have the 120Hz either. I spoke with a crutchfield rep and they are not showing it as 120Hz and they are usually pretty good.

It has 6 color processing, but a 5 segment color wheel. And, the Samsung does have 120hz video processing, as has been stated many, many, many, many times in this thread. (Also, BTW, 120Hz video processing does NOT equal the motion enhancement that some of the newer 120Hz LCD's also have).
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Do you all think 25" is too high? Prolly a dumb question but I figured the best place to ask is in the midst of experts.

Obviously I'll be investing too much in this thing and don't want to worry about it toppling over.. but 5 or 6 inches doesn't sound like a big deal. Anyone hear have a similar setup?

Yes, I think it's too high. Toppling over is not the issue, it's just that the ideal viewing height would put your eyeballs on the level of the middle of the screen. At 25", seems like you would be looking up at the screen. Maybe not a big deal, but not ideal.
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Ok, so I looked up the manual and it confirmed that it does not relay a 5.1 signal.

My question is for those that have multiple gaming systems hooked up.

If I purchased a receiver with 3 HDMI ins and 1 HDMI out, is the ideal setup to run everything into the receiver and have the HDMI out run into the TV, or to still run them independently into the TV and run optical audio into the receiver?

If you get a new receiver I am sure most new ones suppoed the Dolby-HD/DTS-MA which if I am correct is only supported over HDMI due to the bandwidth it supports. You will need a 1.3 receiver to do this of course but I don't know of any new ones released that don't have 1.3 yet. Opitcal/Coax just doesn't have the bandwidth to support the new ones. Your better off running HDMI from each device into the new receiver then going hdmi to your TV just for video. If you need more HDMI ports I would recommend monoprice's 4x1 1.3 (newest one) model. This will pass all audio formats no problems and will give you more HDMI ports.
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I have to say this Silk Screen Effect (SSE) is pretty annoying on my 2 day old HL50A650. I've tried adjusting the settings. I never had this problem on my HLP4674W. I don't recalll seeing many complaints about this in previous years either. Is this a relatively new issue with Sammy changing the screen design? Would I have any luck calling Samsung and complaining? If the HL67A750 has this same problem then that will be enough to make me take a serious look at the Mits 73", even if it doesn't have LED. I haven't ready any complaints in their thread.
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I remember at the time Samsung had 61" DLPs that were close to $10,000! Its amazing what can happen in five years)

WHAT?????

I think your memory is going bad!
I bought my HLN617W over four years ago and paid the whopping price of a little over 4g's with an extended warranty. Sure the prices have come down but I think 10g's was what a plasma cost back then... not a DLP!

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So I am having a continuing problem with Samsung support. I had a tech out who told me my HL61A650 was physically warped. Including the foot of the TV. So Samsung tells my tech they want him to go out and take pictures. I talked to him yesterday and he said he was trying to get in touch with a regional supervisor to talk too since pics would be hard to ship what he is saying.

I mean cmon Samsung, you know there are issues with the last 2 generation of DLP's and If the Tech is telling you he has seen the TV is physically damaged then why are you going to dispute him and piss off the customer by making him wait.

Why even bother with techs if you arent going to believe them?
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WHAT?????

I think your memory is going bad!
I bought my HLN617W over four years ago and paid the whopping price of a little over 4g's with an extended warranty. Sure the prices have come down but I think 10g's was what a plasma cost back then... not a DLP!

Maybe, but when I bought my 43" HLN a year earlier, I remember DLP was a relatively brand new technology, and 61" screens were almost unheard of. I doubt very much that I bought a 43" HLN for $3,200 but the 61", with extended warranty, cost only $800 more. Also, I bought from a dealer on AVS who was offering the best price I could find after a long search - in most cases, the 43" HLN was selling for even more! Now, maybe prices came down a lot in between the year that I purchased and the year that you did, but I'm positive 61" DLPs in early 2003 were out-of-this-world expensive. You may be right that I'm remembering $10k for a big plasma, but I'd still say 61" HLNs were 6, 7, 8k at least, at that time. I guess that's the price you pay for early adoption.
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For those that are interested in the 67a750,Abt's has them in now and are shipping mine today.
Meagan at Abt's gave me a very good price with free shipping $2250.Not sure if I should mention price.
Looking forward to receiving it next week.
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Have I mentioned how much I love my 750???????????????????


I was so worried after hearing 100 pages of problems, and about 2 months of SOLID research, I pulled the trigger and certainly got more than I could have ever expected with this set.(knock on wood, crossing fingers)

I would again like to thank all of yu's who care so much about this place, it is the greatest place to research these kind of things.
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Those of you with your 67's, post some pics! Curious to see how they fare to the 61's with geometry issues and other reported problems.
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How does the tthe 650 and the 750 compare to my current 6176S? it all aspects, is it a good trade? thanks

P.S I think my 6176S has a great picture.

Samsung HL-T6176S 1080P DLP
Panasonic DMP BD55
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Samsung PN50A650 1080P Plasma
Panasonic DMP BD 85 K
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Alright already :

http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx

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thanks but i'd already seen that. guess what i meant ask is, is the stuff in that link the extent right now for 3D usage? battery powered glasses and a PC disc? is there any real plans for to implement 3D in the future or is it (for the most part) a gimmick?
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Heck, bluray is just starting to catch on... i think it will be a loooong time before we see any real movies in 3D.. Just a gimmick IMO.

Better to want what you don't have, than to have what you don't want!

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Just saw Big River has the 61A750 for sale for $1674 delivered (sold by Big River). Do their prices keep fluctuating all the time like this?
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From what I have read on here not a lot of people are high on Big River. I guess more negative comments compared to positive comments.
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I was under the impression that folks were fine with Big River, just not so much so with the other retailers on their site.
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Just saw Big River has the 61A750 for sale for $1674 delivered (sold by Big River). Do their prices keep fluctuating all the time like this?

Yes they do. And for almost all of their products. They will also pricematch after the sale, so for a big purchase check it daily and be ready to call for some cash-back.

And the $1675 price, delivered, was too much for me to pass up. I am sitting in a hotel room in Des Moines thinking about where I am going to put the silly thing when it arrives in a couple days.
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I think its time for an owner thread, sorry but this is starting to rub me the wrong way. The same questions are getting asked every 2 or 3 pages.

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As for upgrading the AVR: good Lord, I just got this Yamaha RX-V2600 a year ago. It just never ends. LOL

Well, actually if you bought a receiver a year ago, you should have gone in with eyes wide open you were missing HDMI switching. Of course, its only been in the last year or so that the price on HDMI switching on receivers has left the early-adopter rip-off stage. . . I've got a complicated setup, and I get by just fine with a newer Pioneer receiver without HDMI switching. I use an external digital audio switcher, but if I had a less complicated setup, I could get by without that.

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Wood is a porous material.

What on earth makes you think there is an ounce of wood in these TVs?

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Good luck all the 750 i saw and had bow and almost all had tilt off.And if your use to the bulb sets the led will or at least for me even after tweaks etc look dark and not as good as bulbs.

Any Samsung DLP I've ever seen is a crap shoot on geometry issues. I'm not sure where all this type of speculation 650 vs. 750, this year vs. last year on geometry is coming from. . .

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Now that I think about it, there is another possibility that could explain wide variation in black levels I've seen. Perhaps some A750's do have DC4, and some have DC3, based on some stock pile of inventory Samsung is burning through (and assuming DC4 is a direct drop-in replacement for DC3, requiring no FW change at all). That could be why there were early reports from TI that *all* 2008 Samsung would have DC4, and why Samsung has been tight lipped about it since.

I hope this is FUD. I am going to be pissed if I find out they change chips in the same model. That would be pretty ridiculous.

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I was informed by my local calibration specialist at Desco Audio here in Olympia that you can't do a ISF calibration (gray scale) on the new LED Sammies and that the best that he could do was simply to adjust the color controls in the menu.

Well I've got an ISF certified tech wanting to calibrate mine. Samsungs are notoriously easy to get along with for ISF calibration. I think this is bunk, especially if he singled out "LED". The menus on bulb and LED should be basically the same.

EDIT: I kind of mis-spoke on the "notoriously easy" part. I'm told you can generally get good support from Samsung if you are an ISF certified tech. Doesn't mean they are actually easy to calibrate, I'm not qualified to make that statement.

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I would have to agree with this statement because I just got my replacement set last tuesday and on the same movie setting as on my old HLT 5687S it replaced, the blacks are WAY blacker than before. I never use DNIe so that is always off and never use any black adjustment or dynamic contrast, the blacks are just completely more black on this set. I was even watching tv last night with all the lights out and the LED output was on "low" and when the screen would go blank it would be black, no noticeable hot spot at all. On my old HLT5687S when the screen would go blank with the lights out the tv would light up the room pretty significantly. I don't know if my set has DC4 or not but i know that the blacks on this set are noticeably more black and inkier than my HLT set was with the same setting values plugged in.

Ok, are you forgetting that it is a whole newer generation of LED from Phatlight? I think people keep discounting the difference this would make.

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Is it possible that Samsung has been refining their manufacturing processes? Maybe the A650's and A750's that are on the market today are of better quality that the ones put out in the first week or so?

Well, then they've been refining since 2002 because the same variations happened since then and it didn't matter if it was when it came out or at the end of the year.

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So I am having a continuing problem with Samsung support. I had a tech out who told me my HL61A650 was physically warped. Including the foot of the TV. So Samsung tells my tech they want him to go out and take pictures. I talked to him yesterday and he said he was trying to get in touch with a regional supervisor to talk too since pics would be hard to ship what he is saying.

I mean cmon Samsung, you know there are issues with the last 2 generation of DLP's and If the Tech is telling you he has seen the TV is physically damaged then why are you going to dispute him and piss off the customer by making him wait.

Why even bother with techs if you arent going to believe them?

I know you're just venting, but I have to say I told you so. If you deal with Samsung long enough, you'll probably get a resolution. If you had no stomach or patience for that, the money you saved from Buy.com is not going to be worth it in the long run. Again, I love Buy.com, but buying a DLP from them is not something I would seriously consider.

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thanks but i'd already seen that. guess what i meant ask is, is the stuff in that link the extent right now for 3D usage? battery powered glasses and a PC disc? is there any real plans for to implement 3D in the future or is it (for the most part) a gimmick?

3D has had numerous false starts over the years. Look at what nVidia has done messing up their 3D support. Just buy the TV for the TV, hope the 3D connection is as future proof as Samsung wants you to believe, and if they really come out with 3D BluRay and enough 3D content, you can invest then. I know it is a Chicken and Egg thing, but the 3D game support from DDD doesn't impress me. The list is way too small. And yes there have been 3D BluRay players announced. I don't doubt they'll come out, but I don't trust the studios to not screw up the content support.

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Saw this on the (private) avical forum, from Eliab:

The HL61A750 that I worked on this past Saturday may be the most impressive Samsung DLP that I've worked on thus far - and I've worked on hundreds. It's a bit quirky from a calibration standpoint, but it responded terrificly and rendered an extremely satisfying image. I can't imagine getting a better picture at this size for under 2k (presently). Samsung definitely took a step in the right direction with this one.
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I will share my input on the 61 A750 a picked up on may 8th.

The tv is very nice, I had a 50 inch ultra slim a tried out around last thanksgiving time and, I returned due to bad bowing and rainbows.

So I decided to try the led version, I like it alot, no bowing at all, nice and bright, but not painful on the eyes with no ligths on, my 50" bulb version hurt my eyes more with no ambient light then this one, maybe cause it was a new bulb I dont know..

But!, I still see the damn rainbow effect, not quite as bad as the bulb dlp my buddy has and I had ,but it Is definitely there for sure. So yea I dont know what im going to do.
I tried to call all the circuit citys to see if they have a floor or stock of sony 60 A3000 3lcd. Nope , and 2 bestbuys have 1 floor model but want way to much. So yea my search continues for the sony I guess.

But yes back on topic. I love the the new 7 series, it really sucks my eyes are so sensitive to rbe.

Pros, easy on the eyes with good brightness just an awesome tv.

Cons.
Seems to be maybe little more silk screen effect then the 2007 ultra slim I had, not as bad as the sony a3000 tho.

Alittle bit of reflections on the top of the screen not noticeable in most viewing.

nothing else i could find bad with it
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"I hope this is FUD. I am going to be pissed if I find out they change chips in the same model. That would be pretty ridiculous."

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What part of "now that I think about it," which was the exact way I opened my post, suggests anything other than conjecture to you?

Don't kid yourself into believing the possibility isn't reality, however. I work in product management for a large tech company, and we break-in all kinds of refinements and component changes to our products during the course of any model year. This is often gated by component surplus at the factory, and it almost never results in any model number or marketing collateral changes.

Let me state again for the record...Pure speculation on my part where Samsung consumer electronics is concerned.
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Thanks for all your posts everyone. Made me feel better about my choice. I am gonna grab the HL61A750.

Anyone have this TV hooked up to thier PC? I am looking at weather or not I should go to DVI to HDMI or DVI to VGA with the tv. Also I am confused on how the hell am I am gonna get the sound to my reciever I have a pretty old one. I will be updating my sound system later this year but as for now I will stick with what I have now. What I was gonna do was go 3.5mm to RCA jacks to my reciever. I was looking at monoprice for my cables.

I have a PC connected to my 61A750. The PC has an ATI AIW 9800 Pro. I used their DVI to VGA adapter and used the VGA input on the TV. I didn't want to tie up an HDMI port with my PC when the TV has a VGA input. As for sound, my PC has six channel analog out and that is connected to my A/V receiver.
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I bought the 750 on May 3. I got it and the Samsung stand for $2159 out the door. I love it. Although it's probably a good thing I started reading this forum after I got it home because I might not have bought it. I do have some slanting (which I will fix thanks to this forum), no bowing or pink V though, and noticed the issue of the white in the black bar. I connected my cable box to it with a HDMI cable and have a cheap surround sound hooked up also. The TV speakers just don't cut it on some programs, "Lost" being the worst so far. I know that's not the fault of the TV but without the surround I'd have a hard time hearing it.
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