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Some update for Canadians waiting for the A750 series. I've sent Samsung Canada e-mail regarding the availability and this is the reply I got.

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Thank you for submitting your inquiry to Samsung.

The HL61A750 will soon be available here but we have yet to put a date to its launch in Canada. Probably this summer.

It is not listed on our website yet, but as soon as it is launched, it will be posted on the 'Samsung Canada' site.

I guess no A750 till summer...
Unless they release it early.
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Has anyone strated playing with a good setup for gaming? That is next.

Yep, I just hooked my PS3 and Xbox 360 up to the 61A750 and picked up a new Sony DG720 7.1 receiver which does uncompressed 7.1 PCM via HDMI.
Needless to say I don't want to leave my house now

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Can someone please tell me the difference between Edge Enhancement and Sharpness on the 61A750?

Try these...

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6330038.html
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Will do.
Thank you for the links.

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Thanks Boo025 .. thats not the greatest news. Maybe they're waiting for the Canadian dollar to tank so they can charge more . Did they by any chance give any indication of where it might be sold up here ?

The wait is killin me...
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Canadian dollar??

I don't think it will matter what our dollar is like, I went into a store here in
Hamilton and they were selling the 6189 for 2700
Can you imagine what they will be selling the new set for.
If that is the case I will be getting it in the states, even if it breaks down it will still be cheaper then buying it here. Isn't that crazy.
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Canadian dollar??

I don't think it will matter what our dollar is like, I went into a store here in
Hamilton and they were selling the 6189 for 2700
Can you imagine what they will be selling the new set for.
If that is the case I will be getting it in the states, even if it breaks down it will still be cheaper then buying it here. Isn't that crazy.

The 6189 was only sold originally in high-end stores, and they intentionally crippled the 6187 (IMO) so they could keep margins on the 6189 high for those stores. I wouldn't read too much into that. The 750 will be available everywhere most likely (since they don't have the 2 seperate groups of LED models like last year), and perhaps at a reasonable price.

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First, I'm really glad to hear that Samsung is starting to address the power issues with a firmware release that some folks are having with their A750s. All of you that have been contacting Samsung, documented the problems and have been persistent that Samsung address the problems deserve thanks and congratulations!

Even though at this time I have not experience any power cycle or on/off issues with my A750, I was curious about the firmware version in my TV. I followed the "How to Check Firmware" part of the guide that a numvber of you so generously posted to check but to my surprise, in the Menu, Setup, I do not have a "Function Help" choice? I looked in all the other Menu options and didn't find it. How have all of you been able to check your firmware version?
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What is the lamp life rated at for these models?

I'm trying to decided between these and the last year's LED's. Thanks.
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First, I'm really glad to hear that Samsung is starting to address the power issues with a firmware release that some folks are having with their A750s. All of you that have been contacting Samsung, documented the problems and have been persistent that Samsung address the problems deserve thanks and congratulations!

Even though at this time I have not experience any power cycle or on/off issues with my A750, I was curious about the firmware version in my TV. I followed the "How to Check Firmware" part of the guide that a numvber of you so generously posted to check but to my surprise, in the Menu, Setup, I do not have a "Function Help" choice? I looked in all the other Menu options and didn't find it. How have all of you been able to check your firmware version?
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Navigate to the SW Update menu choice, highlight it then press the INFO button on your remote. I believe a few have mentioned it a couple pages back.
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Navigate to the SW Update menu choice, highlight it then press the INFO button on your remote. I believe a few have mentioned it a couple pages back.

Thanks Redbaron, I'll give it a try tonight.
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What is the lamp life rated at for these models?

I'm trying to decided between these and the last year's LED's. Thanks.

The 61A750 has no lamps it's LED based and the expected life to 1/2 brightness is 60,000 hrs.
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I just registered my TV with Samsung and on the final screen with info on the TV the firmware version IS listed as 1004. Note release date. So I'd expect it to be readily available.

product support list
product support

* HL61A750A1F Firmware (ver.1004.0)
2008-04-18

* HL61A750A1F Firmware (ver.1.0)
2008-04-18

* HL61A750A1F User Manual (ver.1.0)
2008-03-17


It is now on the firmware download page for the 750. It includes the complete (for the 750) installation instructions.
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The 6189 was only sold originally in high-end stores, and they intentionally crippled the 6187 (IMO) so they could keep margins on the 6189 high for those stores. I wouldn't read too much into that. The 750 will be available everywhere most likely (since they don't have the 2 seperate groups of LED models like last year), and perhaps at a reasonable price.

Hey Matt I hope you are right. It is hard to find rptvs in stores up here now. They all are flat panels. We will have to wait and see, it is a much smaller market.

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Went into Best Buy this morning to buy a new charger for my iPod Nano and ended up buying an HL56A650 (LED models out of consideration due to negative WAF in regard to building over the fireplace precludes anything larger ). The price today was another $200 off yesterday's sale price and that lowered the cost of an extended warranty to under $250 for 4 years with one bulb replacement included. Assuming I'll need only one bulb replacement and considering the 1-yr overlap with manufactures warranty, that's about $33/yr for coverage. I just could not pass up the deal. Seems early for a fire sale - makes me wonder what's going on. My local Best Buy does not carry the 650's so I elected to take delivery next Friday.

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BB has the 56" 650 on sale for quite a bit under MSRP. Outside of changing out the bulb, which the 4-year plan covers for doing once, what is better on the 750 besides it being LED-based?
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BB has the 56" 650 on sale for quite a bit under MSRP. Outside of changing out the bulb, which the 4-year plan covers for doing once, what is better on the 750 besides it being LED-based?

No color wheel = less moving parts = less chance for that moving part to either break or get noisy on you when bearings go out. The 750 is also larger so that is an apples to oranges comparison.

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No color wheel = less moving parts = less chance for that moving part to either break or get noisy on you when bearings go out. The 750 is also larger so that is an apples to oranges comparison.

Hmmm - I will probably sell or give away this tv before the warranty ran out so I would hope the wheel lasted that long. I probably should have been more specific. I am wondering how the picture quality is on a 650 compared to a 750.
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BB has the 56" 650 on sale for quite a bit under MSRP. Outside of changing out the bulb, which the 4-year plan covers for doing once, what is better on the 750 besides it being LED-based?

I myself just picked up a 56" 650 from BB the other day, the rep told me that they will replace the bulb once and if it does go out again they will replace the whole unit since bulb life (based on their requirements) should be 3 1/2 years. Also make sure you print off the 10% off coupon found on various websites (expired 4/30 so hurry!) and it will knock 175$ off the price more.
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Hmmm - I will probably sell or give away this tv before the warranty ran out so I would hope the wheel lasted that long. I probably should have been more specific. I am wondering how the picture quality is on a 650 compared to a 750.

I went into best buy and had them hook up a local PS3 there playing the same demo disc over and over between the sets. No splitter local connections and honestly the 650 looked more vibrant and better.
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BB has the 56" 650 on sale for quite a bit under MSRP. Outside of changing out the bulb, which the 4-year plan covers for doing once, what is better on the 750 besides it being LED-based?

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No color wheel = less moving parts = less chance for that moving part to either break or get noisy on you when bearings go out. The 750 is also larger so that is an apples to oranges comparison.

As noted by Turls, the LED models should be mechanically advantaged over the bulb models. With an extended warranty, this probably is not that big a deal except for the frustration of dealing with Samsung or BB's service people.

In regard to technical specifications, I could not find a difference except that they use different light engines (or, at least, the light engines have different names). I do not know the consequences (if any) of the difference in light engines.

If you are susceptible to rainbow effect then the probability of seeing rainbows is certainly higher with the bulb/color wheel combination.

In my case, constrained to less than the 61" model and not susceptible to rainbows, the bulb model + warranty seems like a good deal. YMMV.

(Edit: Slow typist... I see now that you are more interested in the PQ, of which I have no input at this time.)

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I went into best buy and had them hook up a local PS3 there playing the same demo disc over and over between the sets. No splitter local connections and honestly the 650 looked more vibrant and better.

That's similar to comparing audio in which the loudest always sounds best. Unless you plan in viewing your set in their showroom I wouldn't put too much weight on the comparison.
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Where is this Best Buy coupon? I did a quick Google search and couldn't find it?

Also, since Samsung doesn't mention the power consuption of the 650 series (only 750 series) I would assume the 650 series uses more power. How much I don't know.

Crutchfield mentions the power consumption of the 61a750 as 200 watts and says this info is supplied by the manufacturer. I thought Samsung said this TV would use 230 watts, which is what I've read elsewhere.
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I know this is off topic but I thought since most members here have had power cycle and other issues with their new sammy sets, this might be as good a place as any to discuss it.

IMHO, I'm pissed at the fact that maufacturers are using us as BETA testers for their products. It seems these days that most maufacturers provide a USB or other mechanism to supposedly "upgrade" a component with new firmware when in fact it they are hastly pushing out expensive components & systems before they are fully tested in-house. I for one don't like it.

It's not only Samsung either. I have an expensive Denon AVR and have had to update the firmware a few times already to resolve issues that the AVRs have that never should have left the factory with. Never mind the fact that sometimes the firmware update does more harm than good.

Is this what we have to look forwrad to and just accept it? What's your opinion?
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As noted by Turls, the LED models should be mechanically advantaged over the bulb models. With an extended warranty, this probably is not that big a deal except for the frustration of dealing with Samsung or BB's service people.

In regard to technical specifications, I could not find a difference except that they use different light engines (or, at least, the light engines have different names). I do not know the consequences (if any) of the difference in light engines.

If you are susceptible to rainbow effect then the probability of seeing rainbows is certainly higher with the bulb/color wheel combination.

In my case, constrained to less than the 61" model and not susceptible to rainbows, the bulb model + warranty seems like a good deal. YMMV.

(Edit: Slow typist... I see now that you are more interested in the PQ, of which I have no input at this time.)

You can see my posts in this thread for comparison. I was in the same boat. PQ to me was much better on the 650 especially brightness and viewing angles.
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I know this is off topic but I thought since most members here have had power cycle and other issues with their new sammy sets, this might be as good a place as any to discuss it.

IMHO, I'm pissed at the fact that maufacturers are using us as BETA testers for their products. It seems these days that most maufacturers provide a USB or other mechanism to supposedly "upgrade" a component with new firmware when in fact it they are hastly pushing out expensive components & systems before they are fully tested in-house. I for one don't like it.

It's not only Samsung either. I have an expensive Denon AVR and have had to update the firmware a few times already to resolve issues that the AVRs have that never should have left the factory with. Never mind the fact that sometimes the firmware update does more harm than good.

Is this what we have to look forwrad to and just accept it? What's your opinion?
Erock

Personally, this is a double edged sword in my opinion. The lack of the USB option would prevent the ability to resolve issues and force companies to take much longer to release products. Also, with the technology being put into most of these products are just so advanced of what we use to get that it would be extremely difficult to perfect prior to a release. Having said that, I'm completely in agreement that many of the items are ones that should have been found and fixed prior to release.

I guess the issue is the grayness of where the line falls as to what should have been found and what "grace" should been give.

Finally, the other important issue is how honest is the vendor with respect to issues and what speed is being provided to resolving the issues.
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So I wasted my lunch break playing around with a 56" 650 at a local Circuit City today. I should have probably dropped the contrast down as they had it at 95 in the store in a reasonably dark area but the SSE bothered me quit a bit. It looked really "sparkly" when the red Circuit City logo and banner came on screen. I am hoping that this effect can be toned down quite a bit with some calibration.
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So I wasted my lunch break playing around with a 56" 650 at a local Circuit City today. I should have probably dropped the contrast down as they had it at 95 in the store in a reasonably dark area but the SSE bothered me quit a bit. It looked really "sparkly" when the red Circuit City logo and banner came on screen. I am hoping that this effect can be toned down quite a bit with some calibration.

I noticed what I thought was excessive SSE when I viewed a 56A650 at CC yesterday. However, taking the display out of Dynamic mode and playing a bit with the contrast & brightness controls, I was able to tame it significantly. According to Eliab A. & David A, two professional calibrators who previously frequented the Samsung dlp display threads, a good calibration will minimize SSE but will not totally eliminate it (it''s a function of screen magnification). FWIW.

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I know this is off topic but I thought since most members here have had power cycle and other issues with their new sammy sets, this might be as good a place as any to discuss it.

IMHO, I'm pissed at the fact that maufacturers are using us as BETA testers for their products. It seems these days that most maufacturers provide a USB or other mechanism to supposedly "upgrade" a component with new firmware when in fact it they are hastly pushing out expensive components & systems before they are fully tested in-house. I for one don't like it.

It's not only Samsung either. I have an expensive Denon AVR and have had to update the firmware a few times already to resolve issues that the AVRs have that never should have left the factory with. Never mind the fact that sometimes the firmware update does more harm than good.

Is this what we have to look forwrad to and just accept it? What's your opinion?
Erock

I agree 120%!
Sure it's great that the manufacturer provides the means to upgrade and/or patch these things, but what about the average uneducated person who strolls into BB or CC and buys one of these multi dollar lemons because some sales person pushes it, or because the PQ looks good in the store?

I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people buying any large screen TV have no clue that a great forum like this even exists. Can you imagine trying to deal with these issues without the knowlege and expert help we enjoy here on AVS? Scarry!

I do wish that more people were aware of this forum so that they could either get the help they need, or better yet... so those who are NOT having any problems could tell us that also. In fact, I wonder how many of these sets are not having these issues OOB???

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