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displaytechfan's Avatar displaytechfan 09:47 PM 01-30-2008
Hi, I'm also interested in this TV. Did you notice if the screen looked uniform and how was the black levels on this TV?
Thanks

TetsujinWave's Avatar TetsujinWave 10:39 PM 01-30-2008
The screen was uniform. The blacks looked fine, but the clip being shown was a bright, vivid CG cityscape sequence that didn't really test the blacks that much. The colors (which the clip was trying to accentuate) were vibrant and rich.
slamduncan's Avatar slamduncan 06:51 AM 01-31-2008
Thanks for the info TW.. and in hindsight your thought process makes good sense... I wouldn't go up to a sony booth and say 'but what about the green blobs'... lol

Not sure if these tv's will be available in Canada at the same time as US and I can't wait much longer anyhow...

thanks again !
davegow's Avatar davegow 08:19 AM 01-31-2008
Samsung had the 87/89 LED models here in Canada quite soon after they appeared in the States. I was watching for them.
ranger2131's Avatar ranger2131 08:40 AM 01-31-2008
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The screen was uniform. The blacks looked fine, but the clip being shown was a bright, vivid CG cityscape sequence that didn't really test the blacks that much. The colors (which the clip was trying to accentuate) were vibrant and rich.

Thanks for all your posts.

Since they are supposed to be brighter, I am hoping for better off angle viewing. I know some disagree but imo current models are not quite as good as bulb rptv in this regard. Obviously you didn't have an 87s side by side, but did off-angle viewing appear better? Did it appear to be a lower gain screen?

You mentioned sse looked reduced, making me hopeful this is the case.
Sennat's Avatar Sennat 08:43 AM 01-31-2008
I could see from the beginnings of the 87/89 thread that those sets were shipped in early April '07. What I couldn't find was when the first real information about those sets was available (I'm mostly interested in dimensions, also of course the internal tech). Does anyone remember? It would give a clue as to when similar info will be available on the 650/750s.
Slydoggydogg68's Avatar Slydoggydogg68 09:08 AM 01-31-2008
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No problem at all. I don't know if you can see it very well, but the blurred picture on the adjacent set is due to the 3D demonstration, which was also running at the TI booth.

I was told the 67" set would retail for $3000.

Thanks, Tetsujin, and JohnAV! I may have missed it already within these pages, but will ask this question anyway. Any price ideas on 72" and 7 series 67" DLP's?

I was just about to buy Pioneer 6010FD Plasma, b4 I read this post. THANKS AGAIN
Tony Touch's Avatar Tony Touch 10:37 AM 01-31-2008
This thread definitely has me reconsidering my plan to buy the 6187. We are moving into a new townhome in late March and had planned on buying the 6187 at that time. But I'll definitely wait if the new 61" comes in April, and is priced $2500 or less.
TetsujinWave's Avatar TetsujinWave 01:30 PM 01-31-2008
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This thread definitely has me reconsidering my plan to buy the 6187. We are moving into a new townhome in late March and had planned on buying the 6187 at that time. But I'll definitely wait if the new 61" comes in April, and is priced $2500 or less.

I think there has been an improvement on off angle viewing and SSE. It doesn't equal LCD off angle viewing by any means, but it is better than last year's models. I am not sure about the lower gain screen, but again, SSE had been reduced.

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Thanks, Tetsujin, and JohnAV! I may have missed it already within these pages, but will ask this question anyway. Any price ideas on 72" and 7 series 67" DLP's?

I was just about to buy Pioneer 6010FD Plasma, b4 I read this post. THANKS AGAIN

I was told the 67" would retail for $3000. They did not give a clear retail price on the 72".
ranger2131's Avatar ranger2131 03:40 PM 01-31-2008
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I think there has been an improvement on off angle viewing and SSE. It doesn't equal LCD off angle viewing by any means, but it is better than last year's models. I am not sure about the lower gain screen, but again, SSE had been reduced.

Thank you very much again for all the info and taking time to post pictures. I was hoping you'd say this.

In your last set of pics the 3rd one sure makes it look like the off angle is better. But since it's impossible to tell with pics, especially really bright screenshots, your opinion means much more
Slydoggydogg68's Avatar Slydoggydogg68 04:24 PM 01-31-2008
[quote=TetsujinWave; I was told the 67" would retail for $3000. They did not give a clear retail price on the 72".[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU, TW! If I said that New 6 Series are NOT LED, and 7 series ARE, would that be accurate? Or is there other differences?

And what is your opinion of these TV's compared to mtsu's Laser DLP's?
nesto719's Avatar nesto719 05:06 PM 01-31-2008
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I think there has been an improvement on off angle viewing and SSE. It doesn't equal LCD off angle viewing by any means, but it is better than last year's models. I am not sure about the lower gain screen, but again, SSE had been reduced.



I was told the 67" would retail for $3000. They did not give a clear retail price on the 72".

hey t.w you are the **** bro. i am a mits tv fan , and i have never bought a samsung product but i have noticed latley that the samsungs pq looks sharper then the mits. so this may be my first samsung purchase.
arthurvino's Avatar arthurvino 06:17 PM 01-31-2008
Lets wait until both products are released and then we ask this question again?

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And what is your opinion of these TV's compared to mtsu's Laser DLP's?


TetsujinWave's Avatar TetsujinWave 09:45 PM 01-31-2008
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Lets wait until both products are released and then we ask this question again?

For certain.

I think both sets show a great deal of promise. As I said earlier, I was a bit disappointed in the thickness of the laser tv, because I'd been led to believe they'd be much smaller. The picture quality was very impressive. Speckle did not seem to be an issue and the colors were spectacular.
JohnAV's Avatar JohnAV 10:30 AM 02-01-2008
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THANK YOU, TW! If I said that New 6 Series are NOT LED, and 7 series ARE, would that be accurate? Or is there other differences?

And what is your opinion of these TV's compared to mtsu's Laser DLP's?

The series 6 are bulb models and the series 7 are LED models.
There simply is not enough information available to state what the other differences are.

As everyone is saying it is way too soon to make a fair comparison between 2008 LED DLP models and some preproduction Laser TV's.
OnlyEwe's Avatar OnlyEwe 03:10 PM 02-01-2008
Am I right that the 7 series (w/LED) do not include 50" anymore??
That implies that 50" LED models stop with the current x87/x89??
ElwayLite's Avatar ElwayLite 03:16 PM 02-01-2008
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Am I right that the 7 series (w/LED) do not include 50" anymore??
That implies that 50" LED models stop with the current x87/x89??

Only 61 and 67 from reading this thread.
nesto719's Avatar nesto719 06:05 PM 02-01-2008
hey t.w did you notice if the new sammy's were using some kind of motion processing like how the sony a3000 uses?
TetsujinWave's Avatar TetsujinWave 11:12 PM 02-01-2008
I didn't see anything like that outside of the 240Hz prototype at the TI booth. I'm not sure that the DLP chips need that kind of processing because they are quite a bit faster than the SXRD chips were WRT response time.

So no, I didn't see anything like that advertized on the 6 and 7 models. This is the first year since 1080p DLP sets have been available that I didn't see a 50" or a 56" model displayed at the Samsung booth.
dontknow09's Avatar dontknow09 12:00 PM 02-02-2008
Wasn't the 240Hz feature included just to improve the 3D feature, having 120Hz screens on each eye instead of 60Hz?
nesto719's Avatar nesto719 03:40 PM 02-02-2008
i think it would be nice if they had motion processing in the new dlp. i just kind of like the way it makes the picture look , but most importantly is pq overall , and price.
moonhawk's Avatar moonhawk 06:52 PM 02-02-2008
I suspect the reason they don't have the smaller size DLPs is because the larger ones are where they really have a price advantage over flat panels.

Could be wrong, of course.
TetsujinWave's Avatar TetsujinWave 08:27 PM 02-02-2008
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Wasn't the 240Hz feature included just to improve the 3D feature, having 120Hz screens on each eye instead of 60Hz?

No, the 240Hz prototype was demonstrating motion improvement in video. It may have been on the 3D and DualView demo sets as well, but they weren't advertizing it in that way, IIRC.
chunkysoup's Avatar chunkysoup 09:17 PM 02-02-2008
the game begins, thank you for some great info and pics.
vfrjim's Avatar vfrjim 08:47 PM 02-03-2008
Would this be the 2nd or 3rd generation LED RPTV's from Samsung?
ElwayLite's Avatar ElwayLite 09:11 PM 02-03-2008
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Would this be the 2nd or 3rd generation LED RPTV's from Samsung?

2nd.
fitbrit's Avatar fitbrit 09:18 PM 02-03-2008
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Would this be the 2nd or 3rd generation LED RPTV's from Samsung?

3rd gen. The HL-S5679W was the first generation 1080p LED DLP in 2006, although it became tough to find a few months after its release.
ElwayLite's Avatar ElwayLite 09:20 PM 02-03-2008
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3rd gen. The HL-S5679W was the first generation 1080p LED DLP in 2006, although it became tough to find a few months after its release.

Ooops, sorry. I thought we were heading into the 2nd gen.
nesto719's Avatar nesto719 10:21 PM 02-03-2008
i think now that the superbowl is over we will start to hear more info on the new sammy.
JohnAV's Avatar JohnAV 11:23 PM 02-03-2008
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3rd gen. The HL-S5679W was the first generation 1080p LED DLP in 2006, although it became tough to find a few months after its release.

Correct. The HL-S5679W was a lot dimmer, and suffered green push compared to the 2007 xx87s/xx89s series. The HLxxA650/A750 is the third generation.
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