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did mits show off or talk about the 3d bluray player they are supposed to be selling?
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I don't understanf why you are now speaking of a very big price, considering that the news on the first post is : $2,197.00 USD for the 65inch Mitsu.

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If you read the articles linked to on the first post, you'll see that the "Laser TV unveiled in Australia" article By Jeremy Roche on 11 October 2006 quotes Novalux (the company developing the actual lasers) as saying "Laser televisions will be in shops in time for Christmas 2007," and "a 65-inch model will cost around AU$2,500". Not what I would call a reliable source for pricing information on what Mitusbishi is going to have to sell the set for. Not sure where Gerry Block at IGN got the $1000 price by the end of the year from. He published on January 4, 2008 but didn't quote any source.

Don't get me wrong, I hope It's $1000 to $3000, and not $5000 to $7000. But the 2 quotes after CES indicating pricing are; "I was told that you won't see the Laser TVs at your Best Buys and Circuit Citys. Rather, they'll only be available through high-end retailers." and "They will be released late this year, around Black Friday, and will retail over the price of current LCDs". The newer pricing indications seem to indicate they won't be $1000 or even $2500 this year.

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most articles said they had one 3d set on display (and usually mits has multiple models of each size) i guess maybe all are 3d, but the diamond will have realD processing and 240hz

One 3D set doesn't tell us much, certainly not that there were any other differeces between them such as size.
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If Sammy can sell LED at big box, what is so magical about laser that it will only be at high-end. Maybe they will start that way, but as RPTV market share continues to drop, it will be everywhere.

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This is interesting: http://www.smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And...ustry/D4G3S2B2
"Australian light source-maker, Arasor -- the company behind laser TV technology – has bought-out its Silicon Valley technology partner Novalux as part of a joint venture with China’s largest telecommunications provider to make laser TV available to the masses."

What are the implications of that?

Also interesting:
"Chinese development company SYCO is already selling laser TVs in its home country, however at a massive 120 inches"
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I cannot believe the amount of misinformation in this thread.
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I cannot believe the amount of misinformation in this thread.

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This is interesting: http://www.smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And...ustry/D4G3S2B2
"Australian light source-maker, Arasor -- the company behind laser TV technology – has bought-out its Silicon Valley technology partner Novalux as part of a joint venture with China’s largest telecommunications provider to make laser TV available to the masses."

What are the implications of that?

Also interesting:
"Chinese development company SYCO is already selling laser TVs in its home country, however at a massive 120 inches"

Novalux is now outsourcing Necsel wafer processing to large-capacity contract manufacturers in Taiwan and has sold its Sunnyvale wafer fabrication facility to an undisclosed Silicon Valley company. Combine this with a majority share purchase from a Chinese telecommunication company and it doesn't do much for the consumer right now. Until these devices actually are incorporated into display vendors products that are shipping this topic is just a bunch of hot air IMHO.

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New news from IGN: http://gear.ign.com/articles/844/844527p1.html
"pricing would be equivalent to flat panel displays of the same size, which means around $5k to $7k. That's a far cry from previous comments from Novalux (designer of the RGB lasers in the displays) that the technology would cost only half as much as alternate HDTV technologies. Mitsubishi is apparently banking on the high end for the initial launch of Laser HDTV, though it'll be interesting to see what traction the company can gain in a market that is increasingly favoring hang on the wall flat panels."
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Given the higher anticipated price, the lack of specs, and the constant "in the future" promises, I can't see any real advantage to laser over LED other than the "cool" factor and the claim to create more colors than LED (which already goes beyond readily available sources). Considering the simplicity, higher level of development, performance of current and prototype displays, and lower price of LED sets, something would have to change significantly to make me seriously look at lasers.

Add in the fact that PhlatLight LED's are designed, engineered and manufactured in the US by a US-owned company- and it pretty much seals the deal. I'm not a blind patriot willing to buy an inferior product because of national origin, but I do prefer to buy American- especially when the product is superior.
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I have problems with a couple of the reviewers statements about colors being extraordinary. My biggest problem is they had nothing to compare it to. I for one watch my Pioneer every day but I could still go to a store and see something with a vivid blue for example and won't remember exactly the way my Pioneer looked. If the colors were that much better you would've thought Mits would have had a current high end LCD or plasma to compare it to. Nothing mentioned has impressed me quite yet but I will definitely want to check one out.

I also hope they are using different screens in the laser TVs than on current microdisplays. Carrying over SSE to this technology would be an awful shame!

For this TV to sell well with price tags similar to plasmas and LCDs the PQ is going to have to significantly outdo both. If it is I'll make the swithc as I'm all about PQ and not the technology. However, the general public (especially women), are stuck on a flat panel.
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New news from IGN: http://gear.ign.com/articles/844/844527p1.html
"pricing would be equivalent to flat panel displays of the same size, which means around $5k to $7k. That's a far cry from previous comments from Novalux (designer of the RGB lasers in the displays) that the technology would cost only half as much as alternate HDTV technologies. Mitsubishi is apparently banking on the high end for the initial launch of Laser HDTV, though it'll be interesting to see what traction the company can gain in a market that is increasingly favoring hang on the wall flat panels."

Mitsubishi did something similar when they came out with their 82" Alpha LCoS RPTV at $20,000+. That was the end of LCoS for Mitsubishi. The set was massive, 500lbs, and didn't sell at 25% of the introductory price.

I don't think a RPTV can compete with flat panel sets at the same price point unless the performance is vastly better. At this point in time "vastly better" is hard to come by.

My wife was recently given the choice of a 60" RPTV set at $2,250 and a 60" Kuro plasma at $4,500. PQ wasn't an issue for her. She went with the plasma. Guess why.
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This LaserTV will be not better in picture quality than existing Samsung LEDDLP 3D RPTV Compare Phatlight LED 120.000 hour vs 30.000 of laser.
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New news: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/w...ext-big-thing/
Frank DeMartin, general manager of Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America says only that: "it'll be competitive with flat panel prices"
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I'm waiting to see what Samsung has out when the Laser comes from Mits. First one with good off angle viewing, cable card slot, long life (20 year) light source, low motion artifacts (wasn't impressed with the Samsung I saw at BB) around 61" and under 2500, and can go in an entertainement center without a platform hanging out the front will be what shows up in my house. 3D is cool, but going to be expected in these TVs now.

Samsung 6187/9 doesn't make it for off angle viewing, cable card or motion artifacts yet, but the rest will work and if they improve the set to have those before the Laser hits the market - it's got a good chance of being my next RPTV
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I'm waiting to see what Samsung has out when the Laser comes from Mits. First one with good off angle viewing, cable card slot, long life (20 year) light source, low motion artifacts (wasn't impressed with the Samsung I saw at BB) around 61" and under 2500, and can go in an entertainement center without a platform hanging out the front will be what shows up in my house. 3D is cool, but going to be expected in these TVs now.

Samsung 6187/9 doesn't make it for off angle viewing, cable card or motion artifacts yet, but the rest will work and if they improve the set to have those before the Laser hits the market - it's got a good chance of being my next RPTV

i am also debating the sammy . i am a mits fan ,but i like what samsung has been doing lately i will probably buy sammys new led tv if mits cant meet my needs. also i found that samsung has a sharper pic compared to this years ( 07) mits models.

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Originally posted by srode1: long life (20 year)

Is that really a selling feature with any TV anymore? My TV is 3 years old and I am looking to trade up.

As for the price quotes being close to flat panels; if true, I will be looking at the Panasonic Plasma 65" first. Both Mits a Panny sell through Direct Buy, I will see what looks best and what is the better deal.

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More details (kind of)

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/w...ext-big-thing/

"Either way, we'll have to wait until some unknown time this year to see if the laser TV can live up to the hype, but with what we know right now, we're not sold just yet."

Wise words when a company presents a prototype with hype and no detail information.
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More details (kind of)

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/w...ext-big-thing/

See post 107, but thanks.

I have been watching, have not seen anything new worth posting.
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Not entirely sure how it works, but the picture quality on the 65-inch Laser TV is stunning and produces twice the color of HDTVs today. It’s the first of its kind in terms of laser tech and it also does 3D ala Real D. The Laser TV is also said to be energy efficient, but there aren’t any stats on it. Details are limited and a launch date has not been set another than a vague date of later this year. I overheard a buyer or someone close to the dealings of the TV say the set would retail for $1,800.

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I clicked this url and came back "not found". What was in it?
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So now the price is back down to $1,800 for the 65".

Great price if they can ramp up production and get them out the door. This might be a good quote too. The previous quote that placed the price up there with LCD panels also stated a Black Friday launch, but contradicted itself by indicating that it wouldn't be a BB or CC launch but would instead by sold by custom installers. Custom installers don't do Black Friday. If they want to win against panels they are going to have to keep the price low to balance out the tabletop design.
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"I overheard a buyer or someone close to the dealings of the TV say", c'mon. That's worthless, he might have heard some dorky kid saying he read it in this forum, LOL
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FWIW: Mitsubishi is not using Novalux lasers in their TV.

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This review shows the potential for Mits Laser TV available spring 2008. I would love to see the consumer model later this year.

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this would be nice , if the price is right . from what the pics show i like what i see especially the new cabinet.

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I hope Mitsubishi fixes there customer support and the quality of there products
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I hope Mitsubishi fixes there customer support and the quality of their semi nude SHOWGIRLS

I couldn't agree more.

Sorry.... couldn't resist.

I've been holding off for the launch of Laser TV and I am going to give it a few more months for more information about pricing and release dates.
I was hoping for more "details" but this CES has been a bust in terms of new TV tech for me.
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