Originally Posted by PogueSquadron
Don't want to derail this, but I'm looking at a similar setup for a big screen soon - the S60. Hoping it's as good with the lag as your S30 is. I've read it's somewhere around 2 frames, at least over HDMI. Sounds like it could be perfect for me.
Hey Pogue! i was actually going to email you later tonight, sorry for the teeny delay. XP
I've heard the S60(Well, the 'ST60' UK panel based on HDTVUKTest's review) is extremely dissaponting and is pushing around 4+ frames of lag at the LEAST via hdmi WHEN shutting off a few of picture control options....If anything, component cables would most likely reduce it by a frame.
This is the case with my S30
S30. I get that ultra low 1 frame/16ms over component cables with Color matrix set to HD(If you're playing SD content such as the Wii, PS2 and the like setting the color matrix to 'SD' will oddly enough increase input lag), color management set to 'OFF" and all video noise reduction turned off. Do the following as well when using HDMI, only this time you get 2 frames of lag...The difference is noticable and quite frankly i just can't deal with anything over 16ms...Knowing that i'm getting a 1 frame delay as is pisses me off, and i can still feel that little difference compared to a lag free CRT SDTV, ESPECIALLY with motion control based titles on the Wii & Wii U. No, it's not going to make you play any worse, but the intuitive factor and 'on the dime' quick response isn't 'quite' there, still excellent regardless! Panny's 2012 panasonics were a major dissapointment again in terms of lag, i had the 2012 42" 720p X5, and the lag was very noticable....THe X5 must of been pushing 3 frames. The color gamut and brightness were superior over my S30, but the auto dimming was terrible....What good is having a nice bright super colorful picture when the Auto dimming kicks in at about 10 minutes and knocks down the brightness in half, also leaving you with Dark & dull colors? If this could be disabled somehow(didn't seem to be the case in the service menu) than fine, but as is it's extremely dissapointing. As expected, the X5's black levels and motion handeling were weak but this is generally the case with any junky Panasonic 720p set.lol
Anyways, i find it hard to believe that the S60 can do 2 frames....It's really hard to even get a proper number, because users in the input lag thread are doing their own tests, making their own calls and a lot of them got it wrong with the 2012 sets. And there's now 2 methods of testing which is getting mixed results. As for the S30, it's still the holy grail in terms of having the lowest input lag of any 1080p Panasonic plasma. If i had a S60 i'd compare it side by side with my S30 and I'd let you guys know if there's any sort of difference and if it goes beyond 2 frames.
But yeah, I'd TOTALY recommend the S30. But keep in mind you're going to need a pro calibration(using Custom & game mode) otherwise you may be annoyed by the problems below.
First of all, cinema mode is JUNK. It has a nasty grey milky haze, it's SUPER dim(especially for videogames and DVD content), the colors are desaturated, it's not as crisp and the image
overall looks dull, flat, lacks punch, sculpt and pop....Custom however is the REAL deal IF you get it pro calibrated, it has some serious potential as this particular set has deep black levels, good
motion, has a bright image(outisde of Cinema and standard mode) and the auto dimming is extremely minimal(unlike my experience with the harsher dimming 2012 Panny's)
Once you get the White detail crush corrected, the unatural piercing bright whites toned down, HIGH gamma(looks too dark/black crush) set to medium, RED push fixed,
and desaturated blues more saturated you'll absolutely love it. Custom & Game mode are capable of producing one hell of a great picture. Now, If the S60 can't do 2 frames, i'd start looking into it man. Hell, if it could AND deliver 1 frame via component
i'd sell my S30 in a heart beat and upgrade to a 55 or 60" S60. XP The superior black levels, brightness and color gamut of the S60 and i'm assuming less problems in regards to the color inaccuracies, gamma(Is there gamma control in the main menu?Panny ALWAYS skimps on their cheaper models...) and whites would be too awesome for words! XP Too bad it doesn't have 3D....I'd go for the ST60, but it has a louvre filtre which effects picture quality(brightness, sharpness,color ect)
Oh, and i hear Samsung's 2012 1080p 50"/60" 3D 'E550' can do 2 frames via HDMI and maybe even
lower with component. It also has the 'label PC to hdmi' trick to unlock 1 frame/16ms of lag but the major downside which WOULD be the deal breaker for me is that
it locks out half of the picture controls including color....XP And I'm betting that the S60 practically rapes it in the black level department.