Originally Posted by Ratman
Yes, anyone can purchase/own a clear
QAM capable tuner. But, the owner/purchaser must understand that:
1) if you subscribe to a higher tier of service other than "limited basic", the only channels available are typically locals and some local access channels
2) Not all cableco's send local channels unencrypted.
Is English your second language? Somehow you state absolutes, and when corrected, you want to qualify your absolutes as if they were malleable. Meaning, they are not absolute. For the first point here, "limited basic," or whatever terminology your local cable provider calls it, is still cable. And it is accessible with an ATSC/QAM tuner box. I don't know of any other kind that you can purchase in a store that isn't clear
, by the way. You said
"Call the cableco and rent an HD capable box. No other options." Now, that is an
option. It is not by any stretch of the imagination the only
option. If you give this kind of fallacious information on a board that is filled with enthusiasts you invite yourself to be corrected. Just saying that little I would expect you have never heard of TiVo, Moxi before, much less generic QAM. As for the second point, there was a time, very recently ago, when cable companies could not
encrypt local channels. It is precisely the kind of obscurity and blind, idiotic trust in cable companies that has allowed them to wrest this enforcement away from the FCC, and it is no longer illegal for cable companies to encrypt local channels. (This happened just last year.) But that does not mean that all cable companies do this, and it does not mean they do it with all local channels either. Typically, they are encrypting high definition channels in an attempt to paywall them. For now. You might be unlucky enough to live near a less scrupulous cable company that just encrypts them all as standard procedure, and considering how you seem to want to tell the world, or the USA, that there are "No other options,"
the reason that the FCC let cable companies get away with this becomes more clear. Are you perhaps a comcast executive? If you aren't, you've been completely drowned by the ******** that they have pushed across their customers. You might love watching your cable television, but these people are not your friends. At any rate, he has those options, they exist, and they work. Do they work for what he wants? Well he didn't say if he wants HBO specifically. And I suppose you missed the part where I said he needs a new cable box to get a better picture, which is all he is asking about. However he gets it, that is what he needs, a newer (better) cable box with a better connection type.
Using any other "digital cable box" will get bricked.
I'm not surprised you don't provide the OP with correct/complete information.
Does it actually require any effort on your part to be this stupid or can you not stand saving face when called on your incorrectness/incompleteness? I've already stated everything you have said here, and said it first, and more completely. From your first post you stated "No other options.
Options exist, and they are plentiful. Meanwhile, I stated much more precisely the situation with "used" cable boxes. They are typically stolen, left in homes after upgrades (tech didn't take it with them), or reprogrammed boxes that use the same, standard chips that the cable company in question uses
, meaning, the things were reprogrammed in an effort to use stolen cable, which is illegal. (Cable theft.) That is about the only thing you've posted and been correct about. And for the record, I've seen bootlegged "digital cable boxes" such as these, not "get bricked" for years on end. One is still going now after five years. And no, I don't deal with reprogrammed cable boxes.
Originally Posted by Floydage
I find this a very interesting battle waging on here and hope to know which 'facts' are truly facts
. But what I find odd is that my newest TV has a built-in QAM tuner, albeit a 2006 model, and didn't some of the last Sony CRTs have QAM tuners with cable card slots? That's about as up to date as I'm familiar with on the subject not having or researching flat panels, etc. (what happened to that 'embarrassed emoticon?
As stated, cable companies can pretty well encrypt whatever they want to at this point in time, and it is legal for them to do so. This is a case of people not knowing their rights, and therefore not complaining loudly enough (or at all) when they were taken away. (Something that Ratman seems to approve of.) Channel encryption largely prevents the very purpose of QAM, but most cable companies are at least attempting to be diplomatic about it. There are enough condos and shared dwellings that pay fees for basic cable amongst communities to keep QAM operating in some capacity, but now that it is legal for cable companies to encrypt even local channels, they like to close up all of the HD channels when they can. So it is very likely that your QAM TV will not tune channels that you could easily get over the air. Solution there is simple, OTA antenna, but that of course brings its own set of issues. The 34HS420 and the KV40XBR800 that I have, have cable card slots and therefore will tune standard and premiere channels, but I do not know if they have standalone tuners in them. I would think that because they have a slot for cable cards, it would not work without them at all. I just haven't used these TVs in that way to find out as I haven't had the need.