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post #1 of 29 Old 04-09-2014, 10:09 PM - Thread Starter
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Analog 4:3 aspect ratio curved CRT TV's for classic gaming use will make a comeback in the future! My 27" Sony Trinitron CRT TV is 14 years old, and it is still working great! Also, widescreen CRT HDTV will also make a comeback in the future! Will these CRT TV's be made in America or imported to America? Do you think CRT TV's will make a comeback in the future? I think so.

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Doubtful, and that's being generous.
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Last I recall they're still being made for India and other countries. But why curved? 4:3? Analog? (I assume you're referring to the inputs, worrying about HDMI-only but that's far-fetched).

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Here's a realistic thought... It ain't gonna happen.

The majority of North American folks don't want TV's that:
Weigh 200 lb.
Take more space than a small refrigerator
less than 40" diagonal
No one cares for 4:3
can't produce 1080p or better (native resolution)
affordable
... and quite a few more reasons
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These are the types of threads that make me both laugh and cry. I laugh at the idea and cry that someone actually believes it will happen.
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He does this every few months, not a lot new going on. Plenty of us get it, but I think even those among us who prefer a CRT for the image it provides aren't delusional.
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I ran across this old thread and hate I missed it. LOL. A few of the responders were unnecessarily harsh with the their opinions of the OP's core point. But for what it's worth...the OP wasn't too far off in his nostalgia for CRT IMO. Because CRT "like" continues to be the driving force for the premium and best video representation in displays. Whether its Plasma, OLED, LPD or the arcane SED...it's all derivative of CRT in some aspect. With LPD being the closest direct descendant. Sooner or later, LPD will find its way into consumer home video and monitor markets. And they may just find a bigger market demand than many see or predict. Because they have all of the advantages of CRT, OLED and Plasma...without any of their negatives. Plus they can be manufactured to scale to ideal WxHxD factors. I have been tracking PRYSM LPD now for several years. And it has been widely reported that they are working closely with un named partners in the consumer display business to bring this technology to consumer markets. So to the OPS question, I say CRT as he knew it will never return. But a much better & vastly superior version or derivative of it is right around the corner. Probably within the next 5 years IMO. And CRT won't be found anywhere in its name. But heavily referenced in its image structure.


Old but relevant article in light of the market success of PRYSM in the Commercial Markets:
http://www.techhive.com/article/1868..._too_late.html
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A few of the responders were unnecessarily harsh with the their opinions of the OP's core point.
Not at all. Carefully (re)read the opening post and the realistic responses.

Plasma, OLED, LPD or the arcane SED is not CRT. Perhaps second cousins by marriage.
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Not at all. Carefully (re)read the opening post and the realistic responses.

Plasma, OLED, LPD or the arcane SED is not CRT. Perhaps second cousins by marriage.
I'm on board with your description Ratman. Even though I consider LPD and SED 1st cousins to CRT. Especially LPD. Now if PRYSM would just stop swimming in their commercial success and give us what they promised in 2010...I'd be a happy camper (a consumer version in 3-5 years).


http://www.prysm.com/video-walls/
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This is all but universal! It never fails.

Tubes - transistors
Vinyl- CD
So now CRT vs digital.

What else is new?

Tubes and vinyl limp along with die-hard adherents insisting the new stuff is terrible.

Say, I can't find the CRT Projector forum. What happened to that???
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Say, I can't find the CRT Projector forum. What happened to that???
Does this work?

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I'm on board with your description Ratman. Even though I consider LPD and SED 1st cousins to CRT. Especially LPD. Now if PRYSM would just stop swimming in their commercial success and give us what they promised in 2010...I'd be a happy camper (a consumer version in 3-5 years).


http://www.prysm.com/video-walls/
That looks pretty neat!

As far as cathode ray tubes go, I doubt that we will see a revival of them except in specialized applications.
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That looks pretty neat!

As far as cathode ray tubes go, I doubt that we will see a revival of them except in specialized applications.
I don't even see the specialized application need for them unless we are talking emerging markets like Africa, India & etc. LPD completely wipes out the need for CRT in developed markets like the USA IMO. Especially when you consider LPD's superior digital properties and ecological/environmental footprint. IMO the entire industry needs to move to LPD because it is superior to LCD and CRT in every measurable way...including size. The PRYSM folks claim that size can be significantly reduced (almost into the screen itself) in consumer applications. My challenge to them is to stop talking about it and prove it to us. I saw a 250" PRYSM Wall at a CES a few years back. And my jaws dropped. The best way to describe what I saw was...Blacks like CRT & OLED or better...superior depth of colors...superior shadow detail...Sharpness and detail equal to LED/LCD. Albeit my impressions were not measurable from a comparison standpoint. But to my eyes, LPD was CRT like on Steroids. What really amazes me is that the PRYSM folks have not targeted the PC monitor and Multi-Monitor gaming segments because of LPD's laser fast refresh rates with almost zero lag. THAT IS A HUGE DEAL MAKER IN THAT SEGMENT! And is just sitting there idle and waiting for their presence. They could actually make a dramatic entry into that segment without a ruler thin panel. 20"W-16"H-4" to 6"D-4 to 8 lbs/panel would be just perfect IMO. Because it would give me all kind of stackable...zero bezel configuration options. Like a mini home version of those Cascade collaboration setups in the PRYSM videos.


So IMO the OP can forget about ever seeing CRT HDTVs reintroduced in the US. Ain't gonna happen! But we should all be demanding that LPD and OLED get fast tracked at once.

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highly doubt it-but I must kick in this fact, my old Sony 970-the last CRT made by them is still kicking, and the PQ is far better than the Bravia I have. I find myself using it more for regular tv use these days- they made these things so long and worked out all the bugs, now we have a new format that is no where near the quality, or longevity of the old tech.
just visit the HD forum and see the issues that arise with them. No more CRT's but lcd will get better with time.
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Hopefully this thread will go back to sleep.

IMHO, if anyone would like to discuss LPD, SED, OLED. or anything other than "CRT Direct View Displays", start a thread in the appropriate forum. If one doesn't exist... PM the moderators and I'm sure they will be open to create a new subforum to accomodate your discussion.
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Tubes and vinyl limp along with die-hard adherents insisting the new stuff is terrible.
Huh? Maybe at one time but there's a resurgence going on and it's not just old folks. Analog recording studios and vinyl factories popping up due the demand of musicians and customers that demand this kind of sound. I even saw a tube surround system in a Best Buy ad.

Also, it's not "CRT vs. digital."

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They're making a comeback now - popping up like crazy now on Craigslist here courtesy Black Friday flat panel sales.

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Yes and they should....... CRTs and the nicest
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Michael Bay still ask Sony for HR Trinitron crt pro monitors;he like to check scene chromatism on them.......Scorsese and tarantino still support analog filming on celuloid and laserdisc.......they know what they re talking about !
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Time to get on CRT again and work to advance this tech, It's the best display quality tech, face it!

Want thin panels? Work to get "Thin CRT", if you can work to advance the LCD/OLED tech, you can work to advance the CRT tech.

At the end, It will happen .
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They will not come back for classic gaming trust me. They will come back because they were a better made tv all around.
We will eventually get back to quality and repairing things as opposed to being a throw away society happy to replace the junk forced on us that we buy every 3-5 years.
It's cyclical . Electron tubes still are going strong, though there are no USA mfg.s that I am aware of. The same will be true for analog over digital, which has already made a big comeback in the musical instrument sector.

I have yet to see a flat screen that I like over any CRT I have owned or currently own.
I'll keep buying CRT's till I can no longer do so, which unfortunately will be soon as both of the brands that I like, Panasonic no longer carries its own parts, Sony the same from what I gather.

So repairing them, unless you are a TV repairman with oodles of new old stock parts on hand, will become a thing of the past in the next few years.
Sony auth repair will not even look at your CRT anymore.
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They'll only come back if technology makes them large screen and light weight. Maybe some kind of micro-CRT array. I saw something along those lines posted on AVS but nothing became of it production-wise.

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I've got Toshiba HD CRT I would like to give away. Hopefully they make this comeback soon...

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I've got Toshiba HD CRT I would like to give away.
Craigslist Free section in your region if you're OK using CL (I would suggest having the TV outside of your residence when they pick it up). There's a classified section, maybe with a CRT category, on AVS but that kind of limits your audience.

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They'll only come back if technology makes them large screen and light weight. Maybe some kind of micro-CRT array. I saw something along those lines posted on AVS but nothing became of it production-wise.
You may be referring to Laser Phosphor Display technology (LPD) by PRYSM. They have the technology to pull such a thing off. But zero intention of taking on consumer markets at any level (high end or Mass). They promised a consumer model of their technology by 2013. But it never happened. I stopped by their technical facility in Concord MA back in November. And I was disappointed by what I saw. It's great tech for gigantic signage displays in its current configuration. But would require a completely different (single screen) approach for a household model. They claim they can actually do it. But don't have any plans to do so in the near future. Apparently they can reduce the depth of a single panel to 12 inches or less (regardless of screen H-W). This would be superb & the gold standard for multi monitor PC applications if PRYSM had the balls to enter that space. Because of the complete absence of bezels in their design...along with software that blends the images into one contiguous flow. IMO they should be working with players like Dell/Asus/BenQ/Viewsonic and others to make this happen.


But if CRT ever does return. It will most definitely be a hybrid of the PRYSM approach. Because it has all of the benefits of CRT and OLED. Without any of the Image Retention issues. Along with very low environmental & energy costs

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Maybe but I don't recall anything about LPD and I'm pretty sure it was an actual cathode ray technology, just in miniature/array.

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Maybe but I don't recall anything about LPD and I'm pretty sure it was an actual cathode ray technology, just in miniature/array.
Here is the website Floydage.

http://www.prysm.com/


They don't use a cathode ray. But a laser assembly instead. To excite the Phosphors. When they were talking about consumer products back in 2011-2012...they claimed the entire process could eventually be shrunk down to the size of then current LCDs with no loss of benefits or fidelity. Of course they never proved the pudding. Their early success in the mega display market allowed them to completely procrastinate on the consumer side. I do think one day we will see this very promising technology find its way over to more widespread applications. Then in a way the OP would be correct. CRT (in a new efficient digital format) will have found its way back as a serious competitor. Without any of the warts of old CRT (size, massive weight, Image retention, analog only). And even OLED (image retention, aging unknowns).

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Cool, thanks barrelbelly! I want one!
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