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Artwood 05-03-2014 10:20 AM

Which one is the greatest? How much would it cost today to get one?

Ratman 05-03-2014 01:36 PM

That depends... Was it Sony, RCA, Loewe, Toshiba, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, ProScan, etc,.....

There were many CRT's of different sizes, aspect ratios, features, etc.... What equates to "great" for one individual, probably won't equate to "great" to another.

Costs would vary from free to whatever one is willing to pay.
Is it used, new in the box, refurbished... ?

I loved my 25" Zenith purchased in 1975. tongue.gif
Second choice is my F38310.

LiquidSnake 05-03-2014 10:37 PM

Yes. "The greatest" is too vague. The largest? Probably the Sony KV-40XBR800 at 40 inches and over 300 pounds not including the stand. Highest resolvable resolution? Any of the Super Fine Pitch FD Trinitrons, but then their screens were not as large as the 40 incher that came before them. Pleasing picture? Highly subjective, but many CRTs were/are excellent for color accuracy.

So, what is your criteria for "great"?

Floydage 05-04-2014 11:49 AM

Topic makes me wonder if there was a monster CRT made for a special application/venue akin to the Cowboy Stadium HD screen (recently trumped by the Texas Motor Speedway HD screen).

LiquidSnake 05-04-2014 02:38 PM

Back then, rather than have a single large CRT, video wall engines were employed to distribute a broadcast aligned to multiple televisions or monitors, and they would be stacked and side by side to achieve the effect of a single huge screen. Remember U2 during the Zooropa tour? That was what the Zoo TV was made of.

Floydage 05-05-2014 09:02 AM

Ah yes, the good ol' video wall engine days. cool.gif

Lo and behold there's an eHow on the subject:


Looks like 61" is the size winner but GL finding one, possible only prototypes although the article stated "produced." About 45" for the commercial genre.

Ratman 05-05-2014 12:12 PM

Biggest or greatest?
Commercial or consumer?

Floydage 05-05-2014 09:13 PM

Who knows anymore? Where'd the OP go? biggrin.gif

Vic12345 05-05-2014 09:44 PM

I did not see a lot of big screen crts but most of them had some problem,whereas the little 14 inchers looked great.I always wanted too see one of those 34 inch widescreen hdtvs but never did.

Artwood 05-06-2014 03:15 PM

I think the Sony 40 inch was good all around because SD looked good on it and you still got 34 inches in 16:9 mode but the Loewes had the best color.

They were able to make 38 inch 16:9 CRTs. I wonder if they could have made a 42-inch 16:9 that was 960p--that way it would do the greatest with 480SD material and still have given a pretty 960HD picture good picture?

i wish I could get a set like that today provided that it hads the Sony's detail with the Loewe's color accuracy.

Ratman 05-06-2014 03:23 PM

Woulda, coulda, shoulda...
Size, weight and those that wanted larger TV mounted over a fireplace took precedence. wink.gif

Floydage 05-06-2014 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

I think the Sony 40 inch was good all around because SD looked good on it and you still got 34 inches in 16:9 mode but the Loewes had the best color.

Actually 37" which makes it ideal for all the things you mentioned about a CRT but at the expense of even more weight. 40" would be nice for 4:3 with a tube.

Artwood 05-07-2014 02:34 AM

My mom's Sony 40 inch is still running. I just wish that Sony would have made it with automatic stretch modes to fill the entire screen--defeatable of course if you didn't mind black bars at top and bottom.

LiquidSnake 05-07-2014 08:58 AM

If you are talking about the Sony KV-40XBR800, it can fill its 4:3 screen entirely at greater than 480p, and it can do it without stretching. You need to use a computer in order to send a broadcast this way though because nothing else that you own will even create a resolution of this non-standard type.

Go into the service menu by pressing [DISPLAY][5][VOL +][POWER] on your remote control, each of these buttons need to be pressed within one second of the last. The TV should turn on in service mode. Go to the 2170D_3 section and change the setting JUMP from 1 to 0. Save and you're done. You'll need to be in 1080i mode to begin with. At this point you will be able to use 960x720, in progressive scan, this is the highest resolution that this TV should be able to physically resolve. You will likely need to create a custom resolution in your PC's video control panel for this, but it will work.

Ratman 05-07-2014 09:54 AM

Check with your Mom first.

homerging 05-08-2014 09:15 AM

Going into the service menu shouldn't be taken lightly. To quote my other post
These Sonys were often sent out from the factory very badly set up with severe overscan and severe "red push". It is possible to fix these problems in the service menu but respect that a mistake in editing the service menu can brick your television so great caution must be shown while using it. Don't "reset" everything.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/531494/the-sony-service-codes-articles-comments-discoveries /

Ratman 05-08-2014 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by homerging View Post

Going into the service menu shouldn't be taken lightly.
I've read and promoted the warnings since 2002. Everyone seems to take the advice lightly anyway. wink.gif

Be careful... that's all. Especially if it's your Mom's TV. Don't piss her off for Mother's Day (or any day). smile.gif

WaveBoy 05-09-2014 03:47 PM

I'd say the Sony KVFS100L is one of the greatest CRT's ever made, it's good enough for me, with it's outstanding true to life wonderfully bright picture, perfection motion(heck, this is the case with ALL CRT's) great color(Although cnet said the reds were oversaturated, yellows were a little orange and the picture overall had a slight blue hue to it. None of this bothers me, it all looks GREAT) The only downside i can think of and i personally don't find it a downside are the black levels.....Component cables make them a lot darker, and while they are deep they aren't as deep as something like the entry level panasonic S60. but they're still good!

Artwood 05-10-2014 07:21 PM

Lightening hit my mom's 40XBR800 and it doesn't have much green in it anymore just red and blue.

Does anyone here know who are some great Sony direct-view CRT calibrators?

I remember a thread about how you could use jump-fix and get rid of the black bars on the top and bottom--the picture was distorted a bit that way.

She currently gets DISH and you can stretch the picture to get rid of the black bars.

I don't mind black bars but she hates them!

EscapeVelocity 05-18-2014 06:25 PM

Mitsubishi and Proscan had 40" 4:3 CRT TVs

Ratman 05-19-2014 06:08 AM

Never heard of those sizes from those manufacturers.

EscapeVelocity 05-19-2014 03:30 PM

The Mitsubishi 40" existed for sure.

Ratman 05-19-2014 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

The Mitsubishi 40" existed for sure.
Any links/photos/specs?

EscapeVelocity 05-19-2014 04:34 PM

Mitsubishi 40707 (perhaps other model numbers)

I remember seeing this in the showroom of an upscale A/V store in the mid to late 90s. You can find them on searchtempest (craigslist multi-city search engine).

Floydage 05-19-2014 05:54 PM

I know around that same timeframe they were the only makers of the big tubes for other companies, something like 30" and above. Don't know about the flat tubes.

P719C1 05-19-2014 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Floydage View Post

I know around that same timeframe they were the only makers of the big tubes for other companies, something like 30" and above. Don't know about the flat tubes.

Avant-garde Mitsubishi (at least in the consumer market)... first to 30", first to 35", first to 40" (and the first to 80" rear-projection), and then -- what do you know-- one of the first to exit the CRT TV business.

Ratman 05-20-2014 06:36 AM

Thanks for the follow-up. I wasn't aware of the Mits in the 90's.
That beast must have been expensive at the time.

Super Eye 05-21-2014 10:54 PM

Thanks for that interesting laserdisc demo introducing the 40 inch Mitsubishi CRT. I remember the 40 inch Mitsubishi and the 40 inch Sony. I could only dream of having one, hell I couldn’t even afford the more common 35-inch.

Finally by 1995 I saved enough money to buy a 31-inch RCA home theatre CRT. It was a 3-month-old rental return. My 1988 Yamaha laserdisc sure looked good on that.

I still have a year 2006 32 inch Toshiba CRT in my home. Speaking of 32 inch sets, anyone know who introduced the first 32 inch? What year?

LiquidSnake 05-22-2014 08:22 AM

The 40 inch Mitsubishis were a real sight to behold, back in their day. All of Mitsu's tubes were curved, however, and anything over 27" from them tended to look... kinda crazy, for the bowed glass at the corners. (Not the image, mind you, that was fine... the glass just looked crazy, very strange to see when turned off.) They also were not nearly as heavy as the flat Trinitrons of the same size.

Floydage 05-22-2014 11:10 AM

They did tend to have geometry issues. I bought an RCA 31" in '93 and they had to exchange it. I lucked out on the deal and got one of those Home Theater models since the base model I bought was no longer available. And they got to pay for all that shipping plus a tech to come out twice (2nd time to set up the HT).

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