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Old 07-18-2002, 02:59 PM - Thread Starter
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Hello --- I was just reading two threads here at the AVS forums:

Samsung TXM-3096WHF (30" Widescreen HDTV) Info?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=154685

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Diff. between Samsung TXM and TSL models?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=147541

and I am shocked at how low the prices are on some 16:9 widescreen HD ready TVs. It has been just a few months since I priced these types of sets, and I am surprised that a 30" Samsung can be purchased brand new for $1,200!

How come the Sony is still $4,000, and the Panasonic is still $3,000?

I'm looking for a direct-view set to use during day-time hours, when I cannot use my CRT FPJ.

Has anyone purchased, or viewed, one of these Samsung models? For that price... why, I would be willing to overlook a few things. I never use the sound from the TV anyway, so speakers in the TV don't matter.

Are the prices of direct view widescreen TVs going to continue to drop? What is going on here?

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One thing is you are comparing apples and oranges so to speak. The lowcost 16:9 sets for $1200 is Samsung's lowest price 30" set with no frills like 2tuner PIP and 3:2 pulldown. Next in price is a 34" Daewoo which is around $1600 at Costco. Toshiba's 34" 16:9 set with more frills like PIP and pulldown is $2000 at Costco. Sony's current 34" 16:9 set costs more because it includes an OTA HDTV tuner and because Sony prices higher, though its down to $3500 many places now. The new model Sony 34XBR800 that replaces it is supposed to come out in the next month for around $2500. So indeed the prices are dropping across the board.
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The Samsung TXM3097WHF available at Sears for $1299 does have the frills like 3:2 pulldown and 2 tuner PIP. Perhaps its just the 3096 that is missing these. I think that set is available through best buy for $100 less.
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Yes the 3097 has 2 tuner PIP and 3:2 pulldown and the 3096 lacks them. Best Buy only carries the 3096 for $1200, but they do have a 10% off anything sale this week if you use their credit card.
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What is 3:2 pulldown?

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Its a feature to help digital TVs display film based sources. A problem arises because of different frame rates between film and digital recordings. You will probably want the 3:2 pulldown feature if you are going to use your HDTV to replace your old analog set, and not just for HD sources.
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It's absolutely necessary to have 3:2 pulldown. It helps a lot. Don't skimp on that.

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Thanks for the tip. I went ahead and purchased a 3097 from Sears. It was on sale for $1199 and I got a year same as cash financing plus Sears has another 10% off deal which starts next week that the salesman will hook me up with. So pretty much I got the same deal I would have on the 3096 at Best Buy but I get the 3:2 pulldown and PIP added in.

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Very good deal at Sears for the Samsung TXM3097 - plus others have posted that most Best Buys don't appear to even have any stock of the TXM3096 anyway. I think Sears has a 10% off anything sale if you use their credit card for the purchase.
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I went over to sears and took a look at the 3097. Man, talk about bad presentation. It was on the bottom shelf and displaying fuzzzy cable. I can't believe they didn't have it hooked up to the hd feed. I'm going to call them this week and ask them to hook it up so I can actually see how well the set works.

30".... It sure looked small. Of couse it was in an aisle on the bottom shelf next to a bunch of fishbowl 4:3 sets. I think it might look ok in my apt, for now. I have to see the set in action.

One thing that really bothered me about the set (besides the presentation) was the size of the screen vs the dimensions of the case. The size of the borders around the screen made the set look very small (any thing is small next to the huge rptvs). I noticed that the 3098 has "neo slim-width design". Is that much different? anyway....

The set looks ok, but the big rptv sure made me think about my direct view preference. hmm.

edit: I just wanted to add to my border complaint. I'm sitting here looking at a samsung 30" and a toshiba 34" and the toshiba is *3 inches* narrower!!! How is it that a set that has a screen that is 4" larger have overall dimensions that are 3" smaller!? </temporary rant>
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There is a reason for the low price of the Samsung.

Read the specs. The max horizontal resolution is only 800 lines. No thanks.
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Actually the 800 TV-line spec of the Samsung is the same for all HDTV CRT sets, even the more expensive ones from Panasonic,Toshiba,Sony,etc.
This is not the maximum number of horizontal pixels or dots!
In TV specs when they give the resolution of the CRT in number of lines,
this refers to alternating black and white lines plus its also scaled by the aspect ratio of the set. So the maximum number of dots/pixels borizontally for a set specified as 800 TV-lines is actually 800*2*1.33=2132, well beyond the maximum HDTV horizontal resolution of 1920 for 1080i mode.
Read this for detailed info:
http://www.audio-etc.net/articles/Li...esolutioin.htm
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Thanks Don. I read the article--- it is good.

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You pay an unjustified premium for the Sony name. They do it because they can.

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Kipp --- do you know much about about the Samsung HD televisions?

I've got my heart set on one... I visit to Sears is planned for this week.

Thanks.

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Pocatello,
sorry, I am more familiar with Mits, Pioneer, Tosh and RCA. I have heard good things about Samsung so if I were you, I would go for it.

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