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post #1 of 18 Old 07-28-2014, 05:54 AM - Thread Starter
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Sony KV-25XBR II

Hi, I have a chance to buy a 25" XBR II Sony tv from the original owner. This is a 1986 set so it's pretty old.
Does anyone know if there's a difference between the original KV-25XBR and the later XBR II unit?
My main interest would be to use it to watch laserdiscs and vhs tapes and fullscreen dvds.
The fellow is selling it for $75. Includes the matching Sony pedestal stand, the original remote and detachable speakers. He claims everything works like new.
Any thoughts?
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$75 - why? Are you pulling our legs? Is there something special about this TV? Do you live somewhere that Craigslist is of no use to find much later model CRTs for free or cheap?

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$75 - why? Are you pulling our legs? Is there something special about this TV? Do you live somewhere that Craigslist is of no use to find much later model CRTs for free or cheap?


Hi, I'm in Canada where everything costs more. I was just curious about the set as I'm not aware of many 25" Sony tv sets having been released here. I already have a Sony KV-27S42 that I bought for $20 about 2 years ago so I don't really need the set anyway.
From your reaction I can see I'd be silly to buy it.
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Sorry, spoiled here with the glut of CRTs. There's also been a few sarcastic posters on this CRT forum but they've all been newbies.

Was hoping you were gonna tell me it was a rare/antique-ish set, especially since it's an old Sony.

All but one of the TVs as well as computer monitors I have were free. All but two are CRTs, a small LCD computer monitor and a tiny portable TV. Around a dozen total. My baby is a Panny 34" widescreen HD set - to think it once MSRPed for nearly $5,000!

Well GL on a better deal!

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Well, the Sony KV-25XBR II has an RGB input and I've read that people with old game systems love the set because they get a better image when playing their games. Another cool aspect is the set has detachable speakers and I guess you could hook better quality speakers directly to the tv and avoid using an amplifier or receiver altogether. Not all tube tv sets had this feature.
Free tube sets are offered in my area too once in awhile, but these usually only have RF inputs. I did pick up a free former hotel tv that I'm actually using right now. It's a 25" Philips. Took some time to figure out how to get into the menu system and calibrate the picture somewhat.
This is the first time I've ever seen a 25" Sony XBR in my area and I watch the local online ads all the time.
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RGB is the highest quality of broadcast image, but it is functionally indistinguishable from YPbPr, which is very common on late model CRTs, even ones that are entirely non-progressive (i.e. 480i & 240p). Given that set is from 1986, it is likely to have been used much more than a set made in the year 2003, or so. Driving to work today I saw a KV-32FS100 on the sidewalk, looked like it was in great condition but I let it stay. I have no interest in acquiring more non-HD CRTs at this point, as I have a few already, but I would put a bet on that thing on the sidewalk having a better image than the one this guy is trying to shill for the better part of a Benjamin.

Personally, I'd not even consider a CRT that old unless it were for novelty's sake. Like an old console with wood paneling, etc. It's just way too likely to be dim or more worn than a newer tube. But if I were as hard up as you seem to think you are I would still not purchase that one if I couldn't test it out in person first. Can you not drive around town in a bad neighbourhood or anything? It's these kinds of places that I see old televisions the most. One particular street I drive through on my way to work frequently has folks dumping piles of the things. When they sit there long enough or get piled so high the kids come along and throw rocks at them to break the glass, but I've rescued at least three from that street. One of them even got rained on the day I picked it up and it still works like a champ.
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RGB is the highest quality of broadcast image, but it is functionally indistinguishable from YPbPr, which is very common on late model CRTs, even ones that are entirely non-progressive (i.e. 480i & 240p). Given that set is from 1986, it is likely to have been used much more than a set made in the year 2003, or so. Driving to work today I saw a KV-32FS100 on the sidewalk, looked like it was in great condition but I let it stay. I have no interest in acquiring more non-HD CRTs at this point, as I have a few already, but I would put a bet on that thing on the sidewalk having a better image than the one this guy is trying to shill for the better part of a Benjamin.

Personally, I'd not even consider a CRT that old unless it were for novelty's sake. Like an old console with wood paneling, etc. It's just way too likely to be dim or more worn than a newer tube. But if I were as hard up as you seem to think you are I would still not purchase that one if I couldn't test it out in person first. Can you not drive around town in a bad neighbourhood or anything? It's these kinds of places that I see old televisions the most. One particular street I drive through on my way to work frequently has folks dumping piles of the things. When they sit there long enough or get piled so high the kids come along and throw rocks at them to break the glass, but I've rescued at least three from that street. One of them
even got rained on the day I picked it up and it still works like a champ.
I was interested in the set as more of a novelty than something I had to have. The Sony KV27S42 I have has an s-video input and a very good picture. I'm not going to bother with that 1986 XBR. Just for fun, I checked the listing in kijiji (our version of craigslist) and the seller has dropped his asking price to $60. Likely he'll never sell the tv.
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Yep,have no interest in acquiring more non-HD CRTs at this point, as I have a few already, but I would put a bet on that thing on the sidewalk having a better image than the one this guy is trying to shill for the better part [IMG]http://*******/pQ9tzh[/IMG]of a Benjamin.
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Well I like where this is going.
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Sony's professional line of TV monitors (the PVM series) are going to be better than this set in all but audio (mono speaker vs stereo speakers). And most models have RGB input also.

I'd seek one of those out instead. The picture, even from a used set, is much higher quality.
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I have a KV-25XBR that I bought new a long, long time ago. I think it was $1900 CDN. I know I have the receipt around somewhere. Hasn't been used in 20 (30?) years, but it works perfectly. BTW, it has an RGB input, but it's not an XBR"II"
I'm just debating if could actually get a few dollars for it, or if I should just take it to recycling. I know there's a market for vintage audio gear, but video?
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If this is 15khz H. Sync. R.G.B. these would be great displays for the authentic display of vintage video games, if nothing else.

If you're aiming for era accurate authenticity, rather than high-fidelity to life, a television set made in 1986 is going to be much closer to what Super Mario Bros. would've originally been played on than any flat display (and while it is true that the home console varients N.E.S. didn't quite have R.G.B. outputs as stock, like many other arcade-cabinets, the play-choice 10 did). Additionally, most of subsequent consoles, all the way through the production of the Playstation 1 tend to need are the appropriate cables. People have even tried to modify the ones that didn't. Normally these people seek very early computer or broadcast monitors but models above 14" and 20" in size to each respective category, are rare. (It's also worth noting that later comp. monitors have the wrong synchronization ratings). You can find more detailed information about this manner on Retro R.G.B. if you're interested.

Outside of that market, the commodore and Amiga fans might be able to utilize these sets as larger monitors for R.G.B. computers, although it seems as if it can really almost be just as much about matching the aesthetic cues for them.

So yeah, there's a market. The problem is finding it. There are some arcade game forums that do trades amongst their members but those tend to have somewhat closed communities with stringent requirements on their sellers to prevent scams. This isn't even to mention that online selling only works if you're willing to ship and aside from having to lug it to the shippers', doing so with a C.R.T. is both pricy and risky, particularly since shippers don't seem to know how to handle these. I'd personally love to have one myself if it weren't for those nagging little factors.

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Maybe just "get a few dollars for it" if you put it on your local Craigslist. Probably less of a market but also 'local pick-up only' on eBay. Forget shipping for the most part unless this model is somehow special and highly desired because of the RGB input (check ebay history - check the "Completed listings" box in the left column). Otherwise I see it as an old CRT that's not even flat screen. Free to dirt cheap on CL on a daily basis, especially now that many just bought their new flat screens.

Also try listing it in the gaming sections.

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xbr

I found my receipt from 1986. I bought the XBR for $1800, $1925 after tax. Canadian dollars. Works out to $3385/$3620 in 2014 dollars. A "colour" TV. Yikes!
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Wow!
One thing I've observed in used ads is the folks that state how much they paid back when typically have too high an asking price.

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Wow!
One thing I've observed in used ads is the folks that state how much they paid back when typically have too high an asking price.
Agreed, but I'd have a hard time not quoting the original price in this case, just for fun. How about:
"Was $3600, now only $58!"
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Yeah give it a try. That's not too exorbitant, the ones I see are trying to get several hundred dollars. Don't forget the RGB input, may be what gamers are looking for. GL!

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Culpper,great post about what you paid then and are asking now. I enjoyed that.
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