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So, are you happy with this set? Have you seen better 4:3? Maybe it's just your tv? Specs scream greatness for this set. I wonder what others will say about this set..
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So, are you happy with this set?

Yes. I just had to tune in at night to see the set really strut its stuff. I thought most of my posts in this thread were pretty positive, personally.

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Have you seen better 4:3?

I can't compare a set I saw in a brightly-lit storeroom a few months ago to what's in my living room now. Maybe some people can, but I don't have that sort of memory. It doesn't seem strikingly better or worse than the other 4x3 HDTVs I've seen, but I'm not in a position to do a direct comparison. I am tempted to say that some of the other sets I've seen looked better from a shorter distance, though.

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Maybe it's just your tv?

I doubt it. I don't think I'm saying anything incredibly negative about it, though. The worst thing I've said is that it looks pretty bad if I have my face really close to the set, which for all I know may be typical. I seem to remember my older set holding up better when I was right up against it, but since my couch is a little further than a foot away, it's not really a concern for me. Just surprised me a little, is all. Again, I haven't had a chance to calibrate the set yet, and maybe that will alleviate some of those concerns.

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Specs scream greatness for this set.

I'm pleased with the set, but it wasn't the sort of religious experience you seem to want it to be.
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Grrrr. I continue to hate the stand. I have a digital cable box, a DVD player, and a receiver. The stand is so tiny that it can't accomodate all three. I don't know what kind of household Sony's design team is gearing this towards. I would think that anyone who would buy their highest-end 4x3 direct view CRT would have more than two components.

Edit - moved everything around, and things are fine now. I just wish I could keep it all in one place instead of shifting some things to a separate stand.

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I am tempted to say that some of the other sets I've seen looked better from a shorter distance, though.

Now that I have HD service from my cable company, I can say this isn't true. It must be dependent on the material -- I remember the Olympics promo material looking fantastic in high-def when standing right next to the televisions in various stores, and now that I have HDNet, the same holds true with the XS955. I must not have been looking at material that really takes advantage of what the set is capable of displaying. My jaw nearly dropped the first time I saw HDNet, and it looks phenomenal no matter how close I get to the TV. I still need to fiddle with the settings some more -- whites are still blooming, and really dark scenes are so dim that I can barely make anything out, but I'm sure that can be corrected as I continue to adjust the settings.
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You should buy the avia dvd or other calibration dvd. They really do help. So, as expected, this tv looks outstanding on hdtv and dvd material? Most sets, including the 960, show SD worse then analog tv sets. With the correct settings and cables, one can increase the pq to equal that of SD.
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You should buy the avia dvd or other calibration dvd.

That's always been the plan -- I just haven't gone out and picked one up yet. I probably will tomorrow.

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So, as expected, this tv looks outstanding on hdtv and dvd material?

DVDs seem to be a mixed bag. What I posted last night is still representative of my experience. My living room, despite my best efforts, is so drenched in sunlight during the day that I can't watch DVDs, but I may have some more comments on that tonight. (Going to be watching the fourth season of Mr. Show on DVD, which isn't exactly demo material, though.) Some DVDs look markedly better -- some DVDs don't seem quite as good. I put on probably fifteen different DVDs last night, and there were only a couple that really seemed to fall short of what I was hoping to see (Princess Mononoke and The Apple). The others looked really good.
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Is your dvd player Progressive?


I just cant wait untill sony releases their upscaling dvd player...should be in oct...
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Is your dvd player Progressive?

No, I'm using the deinterlacer built into the set.

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I just cant wait untill sony releases their upscaling dvd player...should be in oct...

I was hoping it would be out before the XS955, but no such luck. I do plan on getting a player that upscales over HDMI as soon as an appealing looking one comes out.
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Also, are you using component cables to link the dvd player to the set? Using the component cable actually does increase PQ. You dont have to spend $50+ for monster cables though. Go to Target or Walmart and they sell them for $15 for the same PQ. Im not quite sure hot the deinterlacer works. Would you need a progressive dvd player to play a progressive enabled dvd? I dont know...

All i know is that I used component cables and a progressive dvd player on the xbr960 and the picture was awesome. I hope when I get the 955, the pq will be the same.. we will see...

As for the brightness of the set: the 910 (1st generation) was known to be on the dimmer side. 2nd generation fixed this. The 955 however uses the 1st generation.. So.... Using it in a bright room may not be the best??? My apartment does not get much light (I like it dark), so this would not cause a problem...


Anyone else get a 36" 955 yet?
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Also, are you using component cables to link the dvd player to the set?

I answered this when you asked me earlier.

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Would you need a progressive dvd player to play a progressive enabled dvd? I dont know...

The TV should deinterlace everything. I guess it would depend on whether or not the TV has a better de-interlacer than the DVD player. I don't think there are progressive-enabled DVDs, just progressive-scan players.

I like to keep everything dark, but there are eight million windows on the first floor of my house, and short of putting black-out drapes on everything or boarding 'em all up, there's no way I can stop light from leaking in from numerous different places.
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The link to the manual for the set at sonystyledotcomyouareonyourownforthecompleteurlbecauseIamnot allowedtopostURLs presently results in download/attempt-to-view a corrput document which will not display.

The manual for the KD34XS955 claims to support the 36" set. I have yet to see the unit in Portland stores I have visited.

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The tv was just recently released (a few days ago). Its going to take some time to get these tv sets to the local stores. I have yet to see ANY tv sets in the 955 line in any store yet...
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The 34XS955 has been available for a pretty good while here in my neck of the woods. The manual is the same as the 34", BTW.
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Man, I was SO HOT to get a big wide screen TV. About a month ago I started visiting the stores and finding web sites such as this one. It has almost become a hobby in itself. In the end I have decided that it is not hard finding a wonderful HDTV display--DLP, LCD, LCos, or Plasma (sure, they all have their +'s and -'s and I exclude the CRT projectors because I don't like the size of the beasts).

What makes me reluctant to buy is the fact that analog and SD are going to be around a long time and HDTV rollout timeframe is going to be a lot longer than most people seem to realize. Meanwhile, the projection and plasma sets display analog and SD content poorly compared to even the most unassuming CRT sets. Maybe its just me, but in discussions and the hype surrounding HDTV purchases, I see a lot of "I want to believe" thinking going on.

In the KD-36XS955 I suddenly see a great option. I get a much bigger and sharper analog and SD picture than my present 27" Trinitron and I do get the HDTV, albeit not as big as I had fantasized about. I can't see HDTV accounting for a very high percentage of our viewing for quite awhile. I'm not much into football or network TV, and we time shift almost everything with TiVo anyway. So this set looks like a great option for 4-5 years as (and if) HDTV becomes ubituitous and/or the wide screen units dramatically improve renditioning of analog and SD content.

I owe it to myself to see one in person before pulling the trigger on the deal, but i can hardly wait. Thanks to everyone who shares their knowledge here.
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Some of the earlier posts discussed an extended warranty available via the "brick and mortar" Sony Style store. You may purchase the TV using the online Sony Style site and purchase the extended warranty with a follow-up call to 800.378.4590.

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FYI-

The 34XS955 is up at circuitcity.com, on sale already too.
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Man, I was SO HOT to get a big wide screen TV. About a month ago I started visiting the stores and finding web sites such as this one. It has almost become a hobby in itself. In the end I have decided that it is not hard finding a wonderful HDTV display--DLP, LCD, LCos, or Plasma (sure, they all have their +'s and -'s and I exclude the CRT projectors because I don't like the size of the beasts).

What makes me reluctant to buy is the fact that analog and SD are going to be around a long time and HDTV rollout timeframe is going to be a lot longer than most people seem to realize. Meanwhile, the projection and plasma sets display analog and SD content poorly compared to even the most unassuming CRT sets. Maybe its just me, but in discussions and the hype surrounding HDTV purchases, I see a lot of "I want to believe" thinking going on.

In the KD-36XS955 I suddenly see a great option. I get a much bigger and sharper analog and SD picture than my present 27" Trinitron and I do get the HDTV, albeit not as big as I had fantasized about. I can't see HDTV accounting for a very high percentage of our viewing for quite awhile. I'm not much into football or network TV, and we time shift almost everything with TiVo anyway. So this set looks like a great option for 4-5 years as (and if) HDTV becomes ubituitous and/or the wide screen units dramatically improve renditioning of analog and SD content.

I owe it to myself to see one in person before pulling the trigger on the deal, but i can hardly wait. Thanks to everyone who shares their knowledge here.

There's only one problem with that, the 36XS955 is also a digital TV and uses scalers and therefore will display SD content horribly. I know, I have it's older brother the 36hs510 (professionaly ISF calibrated no less) and can tell you firsthand, standard definition (analog) content completely blows.

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I've been toying for some time with replacing my upstairs family television with a HDTV widescreen or 4:3. I was at Best Buy yesterday and showed the sleek 34 widescreen 955 to my daughter. It was displaying standard definition. Her response, "It looks kind of bad. Blurry." I have yet to see SD look good on a direct view HD set. This is the deal breaker for me. SD looks good on my Screenplay 7200 front projector. Why can't it look good on a direct view HDTV?

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First off, the 510 and the 955 are NOT brothers. In fact, they are NOT even related. The 955 ACTUALLY falls between the 910 and the 960 in PQ. If properly calibrated, the pq of SD should equal that of an analog set. This holds true with the 910/960/955 Due to the upgraded technology in these 3 sets. The 510 does not use this tech, so it will show horrible pq....Sorry about your set spankey.

TcB- on a 16:9, you were probably looking at an image that filled the screen (wide zoom). this degrades the PQ. Also, Im sure the tv set wasnt properly calibrated. One should also look at their input. All these adds up. By doing these steps, you should be able to get a good quality SD image...
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If properly calibrated, the pq of SD should equal that of an analog set.

I wonder if that is true. I've looked at a lot of these television, albeit, none that I know were ISF calibrated, and the SD looks horrid. I kind of doubt that calibration would make such a huge difference in SD.

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I realize that widescreen fill modes will degrade the image, but I recall going all the way back to the XBR 400 that the SD image looked horrible. That model was 4:3.

Believe me, I want SD to look good on these sets. I'd plunk down the money in a hurry if they did.

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Talk to 960/910/955 owners. You will find out your statement is not true. Looking at these tv sets "AT A STORE" you will find sd being horrid. Do you plan to use the same settings at home with the same setups? If so, then your right! your going to get a HORRID Sd. Myself, well, I am going to do what I advise and get great SD as my old set. I owned the 960 for a month and found using wide zoom degrades the pq. BUT, by using the normal 4:3 mode, the image of SD is great. Dont believe me? Fine. Your loss...
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Talk to 960/910/955 owners. You will find out your statement is not true.

Speaking as a 36XS955 owner... I'd have to side with the others on this. I haven't spent any time messing with the way SD cable looks on my set since I rarely watch that, but straight out of the box, it's awful. Like, second generation EP VHS-level.
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"I haven't spent any time messing with the way SD cable looks on my set since I rarely watch that, but straight out of the box, it's awful"

Hmmmmm...... To get good SD you HAVE to mess with the settings!!! You have horrid PQ because you did not calibrate this set. Its expected. The PQ compares to that of analog sets if you do what I suggested... also.. garbage in...garbage out. Get good Cables!
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You have horrid PQ because you did not calibrate this set.

The picture settings are input-specific. If you know of a way to get Avia-ish test signals over basic or digital cable, please toss me the channel number and I'll give it a whirl. Whatever settings are required for SD cable to look any good, they're drastically different than any of the presets, and quick fiddling with the sliders doesn't accomplish much.

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The PQ compares to that of analog sets if you do what I suggested

That's a pretty definitive statement considering that this is a television set you haven't even seen. As a pre-emptive request, in your response, please refrain from using the words "specs", "910", or "960".

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... also.. garbage in...garbage out. Get good Cables!

While Monster component video cables may be overrated, they're not typically referred to as "garbage".
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There's only one problem with that, the 36XS955 is also a digital TV and uses scalers and therefore will display SD content horribly. I know, I have it's older brother the 36hs510 (professionaly ISF calibrated no less) and can tell you firsthand, standard definition (analog) content completely blows.

With all due respect, terms like "horribly" are pretty extreme and while they may be impactful to some they don't gain you much credibility at least from my perspective. I have also seen the 36hs510 showing both local and digital (SD) content and thought it had very high quality pictures. Can't beleive the 955 will be a step down, but as I said, I don't intend to buy sight unseen either. But I do have every expectation that the set will meet my needs.
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Hey everyone, does anyone have this set yet and is using direct TV with it. I would like to know if I can expect to see a improvement over my analog television I'm using now. Most of my TV viewing will be used that way with DVDs and some HDTV through the built in tuner. If its not at least the same quality my wife is gonna kick my butt. I'll have to consider canceling my order if its the case.
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There is NO hdtv yet that can Improve SD better then analog sets. At best, it can equal it. However, the hdtv programs and dvd's is purely AMAZING!!!
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Why can't tv's scale sd and hd both good? The 36 inch set will have a big picture both in analog and in hd. This is a big plus as where the 960 in sd was not that big of a picture and i can't get use to watching 27". Is it impossible or does it cost to much or is the technology not there to show both hd and sd good and i mean very good on the same tv set? It is a crime to plunk down $2,000 or more and expect a ****** picture on sd, or get an analog set and see your hd material small across the middle of the screen. The same thing with plasma, why can't they scale hd and sd both good on one plasma? I do not mind fiddling with the remote or doing whatever a little extra but please for my money give me good and i mean very good hd and sd on one tv set. I hope the 955 is it.
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Are we into apples vs oranges here? Is the 955 showing bad source material more clearly or not showing the source material well? If the 955 is clearly showing flaws in the source material(compression) then it isn't a problem with the 955.
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You got it Goldflow. Its not the 955. Its HDTV sets in general. HDTV sets is meant for HDTV programming. HDTV sets picks up the SD signal and clearly displays it. What you see is all the problems with sd material. Analog sets cannot see these problems because it does not have the capabitlities to do so (not digital).

Here is the rub. Some tv sets displays BETTER sd then others. Why you ask? Simple. Its the hardware the manufactorers use in their sets. Supposedly Sony uses the best (Digital Reality Circuitry as well as a few other devices) followed by panasonic. The 910/960/955 all use this tech (the 960 is adjustable).

In the next few years will they make new tv's with better abilities to view sd programming? Maybe next years models, but i dont see them investing alot of money in research because HDTV will be here soon (5 years maybe?)

But owners of the 960 (myself as one- before I returned it), can accomplish a good PQ with SD programming if you follow the steps as I listed earlier. If you have cable, you can also add an Amplifier to your cable and supposedly that works as well (worked for one 960 user).
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