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I have a Toshiba 20AF44, but I want to get something else. The Toshiba doesn't let me disable its velocity scan modulation "feature", and I just want something better. I understand I have to get something used, since any new CRT is going to be crap, and in that case, I might as well go for the best and get a Sony (right?).

So, what's the best 20" CRT Sony made (in recent times, so it has component video input(s) and stuff)?
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AFAIK, the newest models would be the best. Sony stopped putting an S-video input on the last couple 20" models, but those did have one component input. The last model they made was the KV-20FS120, and I think that was preceded by the KV-20FS100 and the KV-20FV300. I'm pretty sure that velocity scan modulation (or "Clear Edge VM") can be turned off, but I don't own a Sony that has that feature. I've seen the 20FS120, and I own the presumably similar 27FS170. They're pretty good TVs for what they are. Sony skimped on features like inputs/outputs with the SD models, but the PQ is about as good as can be expected. They do have uncorrectable red push.
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Thanks; I've done some research on these sets, and found the KV-20FS120 to seriously be lacking in features -- no bass/treble adjustment, weak speakers, no tilt correction, no S-Video input, etc. The KV-20FS100, though older, actually had a few more features than the KV-20FS120, but overall, the KV-20FV300 had the most features, and even more than I expected. So far, that one seems to be the winner...

And I actually did own the KV-27FS170 for a few days last year, but returned it, since it lacked so many features, just like its little brother, the KV-20FS120. And the geometry was bad. =/

So right now, it's the KV-20FV300, but I'm still looking for anyone else's opinion.
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You may also want to consider Panasonic 20 inch (20LS13) TV if you are lucky to run cross one. It is loaded with three inputs (RCA, Component, S-video), Variable audio output and no VSM.

Have the same TV and got the best picture I've seen on a TV. It sparkles.
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I have a Toshiba 20AF44, but I want to get something else. The Toshiba doesn't let me disable its velocity scan modulation "feature", and I just want something better. I understand I have to get something used, since any new CRT is going to be crap, and in that case, I might as well go for the best and get a Sony (right?).

So, what's the best 20" CRT Sony made (in recent times, so it has component video input(s) and stuff)?


why are you stuck on a small 20". why not look at the 25" 27" XBRs?
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It's too big for my room, primarily.

And I just like 20" TVs, especially for games.
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So, has it come down to Sony KV-20FV300 or Panasonic CT-20SL13?

Any other suggestions? Anyone know where I can find any of these for sale?
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Hey, I found out that a friend has a Panasonic CT-20SL14. I don't think he's using it, but I haven't asked him if he would sell/give it to me yet.

How does that set compare to the CT-20SL13?
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Curiously, I've acquired two KV-20FS120 models in very good condition (one manufactured in August 2004, the other manufactured in April 2006) at recycling shops for less than a tankful of gas. While these lack some features of earlier Trinitrons, they are appealing 20" CRTs.

Besides the KV-20FV300, which other 20" Sonys are worth buying at yard sales, recycling shops, and so forth during America's silly mass disposal of CRTs?
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I just got the CT-20SL14. It has plenty of flaws, but it's still better than my Toshiba 20AF44. Here's a list of some of my complaints:

1) More overscan that I'd like. I can't adjust this in the service menu.

2) Geometry is not the best, especially with bowing at the top. I can't adjust this in the service menu.

3) STILL HAS UNDEFEATABLE EDGE ENHANCEMENT! To be fair, it's not the same as the horrible velocity scan modulation of the Toshiba 20AF44 -- it's a different kind of edge enhancement. I believe what it does is it increases the contrast of the image between different color lines that run across the image horizontally. For example, looking at a coin in Super Mario Bros. 3, the part of the line right above the coin sprint and the part of the line right below the coin sprite is brighter than the rest of the background. This is still very distracting, but it's not nearly as bad as the mess the Toshiba made. I could try to show what it looks like, if you want... And this also can't be disabled in the regular menus or the service menu.

So, my search continues. If anyone has any better suggestions, please bring them up. Or if anyone locates any good TVs for sale/for free, please mention them here or PM me.

Thanks.
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I just got the CT-20SL14. It has plenty of flaws, but it's still better than my Toshiba 20AF44. Here's a list of some of my complaints:

1) More overscan that I'd like. I can't adjust this in the service menu.

2) Geometry is not the best, especially with bowing at the top. I can't adjust this in the service menu.

3) STILL HAS UNDEFEATABLE EDGE ENHANCEMENT!

I have 20sl13 and was able to adjust overscanning via service menu. If not mistaken, I think either Hsize or Vsize are adjustable only (not both). The link you provide in the other Panasonic thread about its service menu is pretty accurate and should help you.

20SL13 do not have Edge enhancement so can't help you there. But it may help if turning down the Contrast.....just a thought
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For me, I can only adjust Vsize, not Hsize. However, I can change both Hpos and Vpos. Unfortunately, this does little good, since only changing Vsize (and not both Vsize and Hsize) will alter the aspect ratio of the picture.
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I'm not familiar with the Toshiba or Panasonic models but on my Sharp I was able to disable the Velocity Modulation Scan (VMS) in the service menu. On the Sharp (which uses a Toshiba IC) there is a variable for VMS gain which I set to zero. By freezing a DVD frame, I was able to step through the options and see the result for each setting.

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