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The Sony VPL-HW10 (kind of a junior version of the VW40) is aimed at the sub $3000 market. Sony tells us that it will feature the brightness and contrast in neighborhood of the VW40, but it won't have the VW40's motorized zoom and focus. Like the VW40, it also has no convergence adjustments (1/10 pixel or otherwise). When we checked it out, we could see a little misconvergence in the red (about half pixel up), but all in all, it was very good out of the box.

This projector will definitely appeal to those with smaller HT rooms, as the throw will be a little shorter overall than the VW40 at around 1.3x minimum (vs. 1.4x). The chassis itself was just a prototype test mule, as there are only (2) of these projectors in the world right now, so we don't know what it will actually look like. It will probably be similar in size to to the VW40 judging by what we could see.

There was no firm pricing available on this unit, but it will likely be in the $2500 MSRP range. Based on the performance, this will be a very good competitor in the under-$3000 arena. It was very sharp with typical SXRD lack of screen door. The color and black level were also excellent for this price range. Hopefully we'll know more by CEDIA.

If you have any other questions on our impressions, Rich and I would be happy to talk to you.
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Here are a couple of HW10 screen shots:




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The screen shots make me want to go back to Florence.

Should I buy a HW10 or put the money toward a trip to Italy?

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The screen shots make me want to go back to Florence.

Should I buy a HW10 or put the money toward a trip to Italy?

If you get the HW10, you can "go back to Florence" anytime you want!

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i rather go back to italy
i miss venice
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So, when will this be available?
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At this show they just had the prototype, but they should have the real deal available around CEDIA.

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Isnt the vw-40 already under $3000? nevermind looks like the new projector will retail for close to $2000.
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Any chance this will be a commercially available product before the end of the year?
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Any chance this will be a commercially available product before the end of the year?

They are shooting for a CEDIA release, so it is very likely they will be available late this year.

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Even on these low res shots I can see obvious convergence/CA artifacts in the upper right quarter of the image. Of course, this could be an artifact of the camera used to take the picture.
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Even on these low res shots I can see obvious convergence/CA artifacts in the upper right quarter of the image. Of course, this could be an artifact of the camera used to take the picture.

It's the camera. I only had my Canon SD450 Powershot, which is notorious for CA (purple fringing) in high contrast situations.

I guess I should have borrowed one of the new Sony Alpha's they had at the show.

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Marc,

Any word on if this model would include vertical stretch for anamorphic support? I doubt it, since the VW40 is missing that feature, but one can hope.
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any clues as to actual housing dimensions? maybe they'll be able to make it at least a little smaller without the motorized z/f. the vw40/50/60 housing is not exactly small room-friendly, imo. sxrd in an aw15 size case would be great!
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What is the native resolution?

Short throw is good news for my HT room.

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What is the native resolution?

Short throw is good news for my HT room.

1080p
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Any word on if this model would include vertical stretch for anamorphic support? I doubt it, since the VW40 is missing that feature, but one can hope.

Sony says that it will not have this.

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any clues as to actual housing dimensions? maybe they'll be able to make it at least a little smaller without the motorized z/f. the vw40/50/60 housing is not exactly small room-friendly, imo. sxrd in an aw15 size case would be great!

Not sure. It looked about the same size as a VW40, but it was not the same case as a VW40. This was just a prototype, so it wasn't in a production case.

I agree though - It would be nice if it ends up being a little more compact, especially as it works well for smaller rooms.

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I don't know... $2500US seems to be a bit too close to VW40 if it is just the removal of the motorized zoom and vertical lens shift function. Also, by the time it hits the 2nd half of the year some of the sub-3000 1080p LCD will probably go even lower in price.

Anyway, I guess I'm going for either the VW40 or the 1080UB soon so this is not what I'm looking for anyway
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Sounds like a good choice.

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Any idea of when this might be for sale, MSRP (and street price)? Does it have a verticle and horizontal lens shift? Does it do 1080/24p?
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any update on this?
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Haven't heard anything recently, but I'm hoping we'll see it in its final form at CEDIA.

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Any idea of when this might be for sale, MSRP (and street price)? Does it have a verticle and horizontal lens shift? Does it do 1080/24p?

From a couple of Chinese websites this Sony will hit retail, at least in Hong Kong, in mid/late September. It will have manual vertical and horizontal lens shift via two wheels on top of the projector. I think it supports 1080p/24 but I'm not sure how (double it to 48Hz or 96Hz?).

I hope it will make it to Canada soon...

EDIT: Sony Hong Kong HW10 press release in English: http://www.sony.com.hk/press/pdf/20080807_01e.pdf

Bravia Engine 2 video processing
x.v.Colors (which means deep color?)
24p True Cinema (1080p/24) support
30000:1 contrast ration w/ Advanced Iris 2
ARC-F lens with a shorter focal-length compare to VW40/60: 2.45m/~8 ft at 80" screen

It will actually be available from end of August over there... at $27000HKD which is ~$3450US/$3670Cadn. Did I get it right? I thought this is the little brother of the VW40!
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Anything new? Price and date?
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I found some new info here:
http://www.sony.com.hk/press/pdf/20080807_01e.pdf

and

http://www.bluechipit.com.au/content...28409_spec.pdf

From the looks of the pictures it appears to have a manual vertical and horizontal lens shift. I can live with it being manual (for less money) but again how much and when in the united States?
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From the looks of the pictures it appears to have a manual vertical and horizontal lens shift.

It does.

The big question for me is newer panels than the 40? If so then native CR is likely to be better than the 40.
I hope the lens is as good as the 40.
Anamorphic stretch modes would be a bonus though I doubt.

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Lots more info in the +3000 forum...looks like the price is GOING UP instead of down! But, hopefully it will street for less. AVS has already ordered some...

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That's an interesting detailed review, I am not much of a projector expert but I can recognize the features I need when I see them. I am currently using overhead projectors but I would definitely give this device a try just to check if it works better. Thanks!
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