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Sorry I am new to the projector scene, as i have only owned a plasma before. We are moving into a new place and want to setup a dedicated HT theatre room downstairs. The room has no windows, just a door to the garage, and the staircase from the upper level, so light control should be pretty good.
The room is about 18 ft long and 15 ft wide, ceiling about 9 ft high with a plug already installed at about 14-15 ft from the wall i want to project to.
So i am looking for a budget priced 1080p projector to celing mount to project to a screen probably around 106". Will use for mostly BluRay movies via Playstation3 and some High definition tv programming.
Any recommendations for projector and budget priced screen as well. Not sure if i would need white, or silver or what gain etc.
Thank you so much for your help (in advance)
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My room is 19' long and 14' wide with desirable 9' ceiling so we share something in common. I have had over 20 projectors to demo in my theater in the past 2 years so since our room dimensions are the same I could recommend a few things.

First is your budget. How much?
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I want to keep the projector price around $3000 or less, and screen less than $1000. Thanks alot.
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Sony VPL-VW40 or Benq W5000. The Sony in first place.

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Screen: Carada BW1.3 is what I use. Mine is 100" diagonal in which the viewing distance is 13' to the front row and 18' for the back row. Your preference will vary.

This screen is way under your budget and many forum members use this brand for the cost vs. performance ratio. Well made with excellent customer service.

LCD: Panasonic AE2000
Sanyo Z2000
Epson 1080UB ( a little over budget but well worth it )

DLP: Benq5000
LCOS:Sony VPL40

Can add to the list if you want?
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Panasonic Ax 2000
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Screen: Carada BW1.3 is what I use. Mine is 100" diagonal in which the viewing distance is 13' to the front row and 18' for the back row. Your preference will vary.

This screen is way under your budget and many forum members use this brand for the cost vs. performance ratio. Well made with excellent customer service.

LCD: Panasonic AX2000
Sanyo Z2000
Epson 1080UB ( a little over budget but well worth it )

DLP: Benq5000
LCOS:Sony VPL40

Can add to the list if you want?

The Panasonic AX200 is a 720P projector. He might have meant the PT-AE2000 which is a good projector. The Epson HC1080UB sells for less than $3,000. All of the 1080P projectors listed above are good choices. You just have to decide what features you want. As an example the PT-AE2000 has power shift and focus and it has split screen capability. Both of these features help when calibrating the projector. Some say the Epson has slightly better blacks. I have not seen the Sony, but I have a Sony SXRD TV and it produces an excellent picture. The Sanyo is the price leader. I would research these five.
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I also am looking for a 1080p projector for a 19'x14' room with 9' ceiling (where projector will probably be mounted). I will be using this initially with SD DVDs from a SD DVD player, Time Warner Cable HD STB, and with a HTPC that may get a Blu-Ray drive.

I am wondering about requirements for features like up-converting or up-scaling and exactly what the difference is between the two. I am also trying to decide on a A/V Receiver. I kind of like the Onkyo 705, 805 or 905. The first 2 claim up-converting and the 905 (almost double $$ of the 705) claims up-scaling. I have been told that I should get a projector that up-scales and save $ on the receiver (just use as a pass-through switcher) but am not sure which projectors up-scale and if that feature is cheaper on the projector vs receiver.

I want serial control for both Projector and Receiver for HA intregration. Thanks for an help you can offer.
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Both the Sony and BenQ should have more than acceptable upconversion. In fact the BenQ has HQV and should be as good as the conversion being done in the more expensive 905.

The Onkyo 705 is a great receiver and has passthrough for 3 HDMI, so I'd save the pennies as suggested and invest in that- unless you need more HDMI's. The 705 will also passthrough your component input (cable box, or 360 maybe?) through the HDMI output.
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Panasonic Ax 2000

I think you guys are talking about the AE2000, the AX200's are 720p...
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Both the Sony and BenQ should have more than acceptable upconversion. In fact the BenQ has HQV and should be as good as the conversion being done in the more expensive 905.

I don't know why people assume the BenQ W5000 has HQV. It doesn't. Their entry level model, the W500 does. The W500 makes mincemeat out of the W5000 in terms of aspect ratio options, and scaling as well as noise reduction and other goodies. Why? Go figure! I am constantly surprised that Companies refuse to put HQV into their expensive models but seems to have no problems on their entry level ones.

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"The BenQ W5000 with Senseye technology brings you the best picture quality in 1080p Full HD, ultra-high contrast ratio, smooth video stream performance and HQV (Hollywood Quality Video) that renders standard definition material in Full HD-like video quality, and much more."

From www.benq.us

This seems like they are claiming HQV. Should we not believe them? What's the story?

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I don't know why people assume the BenQ W5000 has HQV. It doesn't. Their entry level model, the W500 does. The W500 makes mincemeat out of the W5000 in terms of aspect ratio options, and scaling as well as noise reduction and other goodies. Why? Go figure! I am constantly surprised that Companies refuse to put HQV into their expensive models but seems to have no problems on their entry level ones.

I have owned the W500 and know it has HQV, but what makes you so sure the W5000 doesn't?
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I have owned the W500 and know it has HQV, but what makes you so sure the W5000 doesn't?

Because a guy from HQV who posts here confirmed it. Panasonic also claims ""Hollywood Quality Video" but it's name only. The HQV Reon chipset is much better with way more control over your picture. Also, if the W5000 had HQV, it would have the logo on it. It doesn't. I've seen it in action.

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That nice high cieling... Gives to many options for words here.
I wonder if there are any $3K-ish RS1's around?

With the high cieling, on the cheap? An Optoma HD80 is an over achiever brigtness wise.


But, my standing suggestion is to always get the best projector you can find for the money you have to spend. Thus my Rs1 comment.
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Both the Sony and BenQ should have more than acceptable upconversion. In fact the BenQ has HQV and should be as good as the conversion being done in the more expensive 905.

The Onkyo 705 is a great receiver and has passthrough for 3 HDMI, so I'd save the pennies as suggested and invest in that- unless you need more HDMI's. The 705 will also passthrough your component input (cable box, or 360 maybe?) through the HDMI output.

It does not pass through from component to HDMI unchanged. If you buy a projector with HQV processing you want to send SD to the projector as 480i. If you send the 705 480i over component and output on HDMI it will convert to 480P if you have the AVR set to pass through. To keep it at 480i it has to leave the AVR also by component.
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For $3k and a $1k screen you are definately not looking for a budget projector. I would be getting the Epson Home Cinema 1080UB without a doubt, and for the screen probably a Stewart Firehawk Grey Screen for Blacks.
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I was under the impression that the Epson had such good blacks and constrast ratios that gray was not necessary, but then I'm not a screen guru.

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Probably true of an RS1 / RS2....

But I view the UB as more marketing than substance on this PJ.
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What's up with that BenQ W5000 showing a $2500 price reduction (original MSRP seems to be listed at $5000)? Is it an old model or did the stiff pricing competition just force them down off of what appeared to be a ridiculous gouging attempt?
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AE2000 is correct. My fault for sleeping on the job.
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It's actually a very new model. Projectors are often priced high (read big markup) so that installers and B&Ms can make a living. There is also a marketing theory that people judge value by price and the love a bargain, so you set your suggested list high and then discount 40% and people think it's a bargain. Sell t for $2995 and they think its in the next lower quality tier.

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I should also have pointed out that DLPs are traditionally more expensive so they needed to stay in line with high price. Also when a new machine comes out it tends to sell for near MSRP and if gets good reviews it stays high or even goes higher (Epson 1080 U for example). The BenQ W5000 has gotten some good reviews. If demand is strong prices will go back up. If people still aren't buying it, the prices will stay low. Sellers can see the level of damand and know how to set prices accordingly. I would guess that the benQ was not selling well so prices have come down.

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i just scored a Benq W9000 for $1717.00 on ebay :-) start your search there (that's brand new in the box btw) MSRP is still over $2500.00 online WOOT WOOT WOOT!!!
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i just scored a Benq W9000 for $1717.00 on ebay :-) start your search there (that's brand new in the box btw) MSRP is still over $2500.00 online WOOT WOOT WOOT!!!

I hope it's from an authorized dealer. I've had nothing but bad luck with projectors and I would never buy from a non-authorized dealer no matter the discount.

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For $3k and a $1k screen you are definately not looking for a budget projector. I would be getting the Epson Home Cinema 1080UB without a doubt, and for the screen probably a Stewart Firehawk Grey Screen for Blacks.

That was the MAXIMUM i wanted to spend, but would prefer less. I was think of going with the Panasonic PT-AE2000U. How much different is it compared to the Epson?
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Save a few bucks and go with the panasonic. You will be under your budget with a proven combination shared by thousands.

The AE2000 is a great projector. I have demoed them all. Well almost.
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So are we saying that the AE2000 is the winner of the < $3000 1080p projectors?
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I sold my 4805 2 months ago and Just ordered a AE2000 yesterday. I did some research and had narrowed it down to the Panny, Sanyo PV2000-z? and mitsu HC4900.

I went partially for the Panny for the 1600 Lumens, 16000:1 contrast and excellent reviews everywhere I looked.

I also have a 34" HD CRT TV that has the best CRT picture I've ever seen.
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I don't understand why the AE2000 is always considered alongside the Sanyo and HC4900- it's at least $2.7K, so why aren't the Epson, BenQ and Sony thrown into consideration? I could understand if the AE2000 was <=$2K, but it's not...

From what I've read you have:

Sanyo PV2000-Z, Mitsubishi HC4900 -> Poor blacks/contrast, unless this is all your budget allows (720p DLP makes more sense in this price range right now)
Panasonic PT-AE2000U -> Dust Issues
Epson 1080UB -> Convergence

Sony VPL-VW40 & BenQ W5000 -> ?
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