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post #61 of 2411 Old 06-30-2008, 01:12 PM
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Does anyone know if the built in Reon processor only upscales/processes from an HDMI source, or will it work with S-video, etc?

I have an LD collection and was hoping to go LD -> HC5500 with decent results vs. having to buy an external processor.

any thoughts are appreciated.
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The specs and user manual are up now. I just called Mitsubishi and they told me it should be available any day now. I still can't find information regarding the D6 or D7 panels. Check out the link below. The manual and other information is under resources.

http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....rs/HC5500.html
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The specs and user manual are up now. I just called Mitsubishi and they told me it should be available any day now. I still can't find information regarding the D6 or D7 panels. Check out the link below. The manual and other information is under resources.

http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....rs/HC5500.html

thank you, this is great information. I have been calling / emailing our friends at projectorpeople.com about the HC5500, but they are acting like they had no idea this was coming out anytime soon. You would think since they are a Mitsu authorized dealer, it wouldn't be hard to find out when it's arriving.

I am looking forwarding to matching this up with the source direct output of the Pioneer BDP-51 and hopefully have decent DVD upscaling with the Reon video processor in the 5500.
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Does anyone know if this does vertical stretch so I wouldn't need a video processor for a 2.35 lense?
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thank you, this is great information.

And it answers your earlier question zombie10k about the Reon processor. It works with all sources. From the data sheet:

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■ Reon-VX next-generation high-performance processor
This high-performance chip carries on the legacy of the
REALTA made popular by Silicon Optix, whose known
for visual performance using the name HQV
(Hollywood Quality Video). It excels behind the scenes
as the genuine core of ne visual expression in our
HC5500 HD projector.
■ High-precision I/P conversion, serving all sources
With 10-bit image processing, I/P (interlace/progressive)
conversion in the HC5500 is rendered extremely
accurate. Even with video- lm mixed sources, speci c
materials are detected and processed with top speed
and precision. This ensures progressive reproduction of
higher picture quality. For terrestrial or satellite digital
movies broadcasts, 2-3 pull-down zaps out most
jaggies, making the image look perfect. High-precision
3D processing and 24P new generation discs are also
supported.
■ High-performance video scaler
In addition to I/P conversion, the Reon-VX in the
Mitsubishi HC5500 packs high-precision image scaling
(pixel conversion) capabilities into a single chip. The
result is impressive up-conversion of 720 x 480 display
to 1920 x 1080 images..

Hey zombie10k--please buy this projector and let me know how it does with your laserdisc collection! I have a couple thousand that have been gathering dust now for many years!
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Does anyone know if this does vertical stretch so I wouldn't need a video processor for a 2.35 lense?

That info is in the manual at the link referenced earlier. Or I could give you a hint.

But IMO with the 1920x1080 panels do just fine when zoomed; I can't see the benefit to buying yet another very expensive piece of optics to place in front of the 5500, then aligning it and keeping it clean etc. But you'll decide what you want to spend your money on of course...
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Can you adjust the grayscale from the user menu? Looking in the manual all I see are gamma adjustments in three zones, but no traditional cuts/gains. The 6000 seems to have the same menu. Did not see any CMS.
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alas, the throw is not short enough for my setup--I need four more inches of depth for this projector to work. Sigh.
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Well, that puts the 24p talk to rest. A bit disapointed by the low 1.2x zoom. I was hoping for at least a 1.6x or 2.0. I really hope the black levels are closer to the 6000 than the 4900.

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Well, that puts the 24p talk to rest. A bit disapointed by the low 1.2x zoom. I was hoping for at least a 1.6x or 2.0. I really hope the black levels are closer to the 6000 than the 4900.

I don't understand their lens quote:
- Lens Throw Ratio 1.6 -1.9
- Zoom & Focus Adjustment Powered Focus & Zoom (Zoom Ratio 1.2:1)

Does this mean the power zoom only work for a portion of the available zoom range?

--- never mind, I figured it out, 1.9 / 1.6 is 1.2. This is no better than most DLPs. I noticed there are lots of lenses listed under accessories, but I have no idea what they mean.
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Well, that puts the 24p talk to rest. A bit disapointed by the low 1.2x zoom. I was hoping for at least a 1.6x or 2.0. I really hope the black levels are closer to the 6000 than the 4900.

1.2x? Disaster. Zooming my way into poor-man's CIH is one of the key justifications I for leaving DLP behind. Most of my content is 720p or less (for now). Ick, guess I'll unsubscribe to this topic soon..
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1.2x? Disaster. Zooming my way into poor-man's CIH is one of the key justifications I for leaving DLP behind. Most of my content is 720p or less (for now). Ick, guess I'll unsubscribe to this topic soon..

can one of you kind folks explain this in lay terms? I do understand the difference between 16:9 and 2:35:1 to the point where I would still get black bars with 2:35:1 movies.

laserfan - I plan on making the most of my LD collection with the HC5500 and would definately give feedback on + / - of the results. I only have a Pioneer CLD-A100 (laseractive) but trying to get my hands on a CLD-99.
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Ok basically you're right, there are still black bars. The idea is for 16:9 you zoom the picture smaller so the height is filled and you use all of a 16:9 screen. For widescreen (2.35:1) you zoom out bigger, and unmask the sides of the screen and, while the height is the same (constant), the picture is wider. The black bars on top and bottom are there, off screen, but it's masked.

The idea is that 16:9 movies and TV, the picture is effectively smaller, but for cinemascope movies, you have a wider, grander picture. You need I think around a 2.0x zoom to do this, although 1.8 is also in my mind, so I'm not sure (help?) but certainly 1.2 won't get it done.
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Well, that puts the 24p talk to rest. A bit disapointed by the low 1.2x zoom. I was hoping for at least a 1.6x or 2.0. I really hope the black levels are closer to the 6000 than the 4900.

my guess is that the 5500 is essentially the 6000, with the 6000 being upgraded to the 6500 early in the fall....then next year the same thing will happen (old model becoming the "new" lower end model). Not a bad strategy.
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with the zoom issue, would this projector be ok being about 16' back, hanging about 7" or 8" below an 8' ceiling displaying 16:9 106" screen?
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1.2x? Disaster. Zooming my way into poor-man's CIH is one of the key justifications I for leaving DLP behind.

I agree, this projector is not as attractive as I originally thought. At this price point and with 1.2X lens, others like the Benq W5000 may be a better choice (depending on your requirements).
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I agree, this projector is not as attractive as I originally thought. At this price point and with 1.2X lens, others like the Benq W5000 may be a better choice (depending on your requirements).

Agreed. I'm holding out hope that this is a cut and paste error from one of their DLP manuals. Even my old Z2 was 1.3:1; 1.2:1 in an LCD is unheard of. This also doesn't make sense to me since they have added shutter functionality, which is a perfect fit for zoomers that do not use an anamorphic lens. Very strange...
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It seems it has the same optics and zoom as the HC6000.

It has vertical strech for Constant Height setups.

Looks like all the bang of the HC6000 for less cost.

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my guess is that the 5500 is essentially the 6000, with the 6000 being upgraded to the 6500 early in the fall....then next year the same thing will happen (old model becoming the "new" lower end model). Not a bad strategy.

I think you are right.

BTW, it seems it will have the new faster iris that is in the HC6000 as well.

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Agreed. I'm holding out hope that this is a cut and paste error from one of their DLP manuals. Even my old Z2 was 1.3:1; 1.2:1 in an LCD is unheard of. This also doesn't make sense to me since they have added shutter functionality, which is a perfect fit for zoomers that do not use an anamorphic lens. Very strange...

cut and paste error almost seems likely - is there ANY ht lcd pj out there with only a 1.2 zoom?! Heck that's why I left DLP too. It seems well near insane to come out with a new product like this and then cripple it with an unuseable zoom. Hell, i like dlp, but I hesitate to even recommend it to friends because I don't want to be there when they find out that it has to be hung RIGHT THERE and no where else in the room due to non-existent zoom. Let's wait til someone gets hands on to bury this one - it looks too promising otherwise.
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Another error I found on their site, shows Contrast should be 15,000:1 on the overview section, and then in the spec section and brochure, shows contrast to be 14,000:1.
So the zoom info being an error is even more likely.
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The zoom will be the same as the 4900, 5000, and 6000 think about it people it is common sense...
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Indeed (though too bad--I was hoping for a shorter throw).
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The zoom will be the same as the 4900, 5000, and 6000 think about it people it is common sense...

ok, fair enough - i never realized that the 4900 and 6000 had such minimal zooms - guessing it has something to do with the power mechanism. On the other hand, I'm guessing it wasn't an issue because they are extremely short throw anyway - my ae900 with 2x zoom maxes out at 100inches at 10 feet - the pdf shows that the 5500 (and so I assume the 4900 and 6000) also throw a max of 100 (16/9 diagonal) at 10 feet - so not the end of the world.

I know that zoom effects brightness - does this mean that, all other things being equal (they're not) that a pj at 1.2 zoom is going to be putting more or less light on the screen than a pj at 2.0 zoom - at the same screen size?
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So,

ReonVX

14 bit gamma correction (never heard of if - they seem to claim others are only using 10 bit, and that it will substantially improve grey scale

"the hc5500 is equipped with a new generation of inorganic lcd panel" - sounds like D7 - more than a little dishonest to bill them as "new generation" if they're already a generation old

States that it has a new auto iris and compares it favorably to the "former auto-iris" assume this means it has the 6000 iris, not the 4900

claims to handle 24p, should with reon

claims a focus on quiet, 19db.

Sounds like a winner in the 1080 lcd game unless panasonic has an ae3000 coming by sept.
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Alright people the zoom will be 1.6x like all the others so can we quit talking about it? Focus on 2.35 features, type of panels, optics, or other important things we haven't confirmed yet. This range of zoom is perfect for all applications and will work virtually anywhere so why discuss it.
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The zoom will be the same as the 4900, 5000, and 6000 think about it people it is common sense...

Not according to Mitsubishi's spec sheets:

HC4900: 1.4 - 2.26 (ratio of 1.6)
HC6000: 1.4 - 2.26 (ratio of 1.6)
HC5500: 1.6 - 1.9 (ratio of 1.12)

So it seems that the 5500 is inferior both at the wide-angle end and the telephoto end. If this is in fact the case, then its use in a CIH setup is severely limited. Perhaps Mitsubishi wants us to buy the anamorphic lens?


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Alright people the zoom will be 1.6x like all the others so can we quit talking about it?

Proof?
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ok, fair enough - i never realized that the 4900 and 6000 had such minimal zooms - guessing it has something to do with the power mechanism. On the other hand, I'm guessing it wasn't an issue because they are extremely short throw anyway - my ae900 with 2x zoom maxes out at 100inches at 10 feet - the pdf shows that the 5500 (and so I assume the 4900 and 6000) also throw a max of 100 (16/9 diagonal) at 10 feet - so not the end of the world.

I know that zoom effects brightness - does this mean that, all other things being equal (they're not) that a pj at 1.2 zoom is going to be putting more or less light on the screen than a pj at 2.0 zoom - at the same screen size?

Generally speaking, the wide-angle end of the zoom range has the largest aperture opening (smallest f-stop number). If you want maximum brightness, then it is best to have the projector closest to the screen, so you can take advantage of the smaller f-stop.

In the old days, the expensive zoom lenses had a constant aperture as you zoomed, in which case it does not matter where you placed the projector. But to save costs, most zoom lenses today don't have constant aperture.
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Hi All

Just want to say this is going to be my first projector(bought it yesterday) and that i will be using it in my apartment in New York. The throw will be 10 feet from the front of the lens to the wall. What i have come up with will be a 92inch screen. If this doesn't sound right please chime in. If anyone knows a good cheap screen please let me know brands and any other specs i should know about.

Thanks for any help.

Price paid is $2195 shipped and delivered.
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