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Hi All

Just want to say this is going to be my first projector(bought it yesterday) and that i will be using it in my apartment in New York. The throw will be 10 feet from the front of the lens to the wall. What i have come up with will be a 92inch screen. If this doesn't sound right please chime in. If anyone knows a good cheap screen please let me know brands and any other specs i should know about.

Thanks for any help.

Price paid is $2195 shipped and delivered.


umm - you found a place that is selling it?

I am using a 100in screen at a 10 foot throw in a high-rise setting - find it to be a nice setup with an ae900 - if this is at least as bright you should be fine, if not, you will want to take extra light control steps. Reading the throw charts in the pdf, you appear to be right on with the 92 inches, give or take a couple.

Take a look at the dyi screen section, I've used one of the more involved paint mixtures and have found it to be an excellent ambient rejecting small gain surface, which looks just like another (very nicely painted) wall when the pj is off. If you're dealing with old plaster, mounting a smooth piece of tileboard or other backings mentioned over there before painting is the trick. Biggest advantage, no wavy screen. I'm sure there are other folks here who can tell you about ready made screens.
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Does anyone know if the built in Reon processor only upscales/processes from an HDMI source, or will it work with S-video, etc?

I have an LD collection and was hoping to go LD -> HC5500 with decent results vs. having to buy an external processor.

any thoughts are appreciated.

If LD is in the mix? Most of us LD'rs have gravitated to the Panasonic AE1000U.

LD's actually look good on the thing. The Mitsu projectors are ultra sharp and that is not your best friend with LD source, trust me.
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Hi, TVYankee

Could you let us know where you bought the Mits. 5500 yesterday. I did not know it was in stock yet
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The throw will be 10 feet from the front of the lens to the wall. What i have come up with will be a 92inch screen. If this doesn't sound right please chime in. If anyone knows a good cheap screen please let me know brands and any other specs i should know about.

That will work with a 16:9 (standard HD) image; Projector Central's calculator sez you'll be zoomed to 1.51. Should be nice & bright.

The only "problem" I see is that you're so close that you'll not have the option to zoom-out on 2.20, 2.35, 2.40:1 movies for the "wide screen" effect.

I'd suggest you get the pj and shoot it onto your wall--a simple coat of white paint might be all you need for HT nirvana. Then some fabric/curtains later for masking...

EDIT: I used the HC4900 calculator at ProjectorCentral--DOES NOT WORK FOR THE 5500! Nor does the 6000's...
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Hi, TVYankee

Could you let us know where you bought the Mits. 5500 yesterday. I did not know it was in stock yet


+1, I am ready to commit. My co does business with projectorpeople.com for our Mitsu business projectors, but they are looking at me like I have 3 heads when I asked about the HC5500.


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If LD is in the mix? Most of us LD'rs have gravitated to the Panasonic AE1000U.

LD's actually look good on the thing. The Mitsu projectors are ultra sharp and that is not your best friend with LD source, trust me.

My main goal with the HC5500 is to mate it to the new Pioneer BDP-51 with source direct output. I really enjoy DVD/BD concerts and hoping the Reon is going to work it's magic on 480i / 1080i content.

The LD playback is secondary, but should be at least passable on the 5500. I only have a CDL-A100 (sega laseractive) but trying to get my hands on a CDL-99.

I'll test it out on my favorite LD. Strange Days DTS...


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Looks like the lens shift is crippled too compared to the 6000 and 4900, only 50% versus 75% for the vertical (% screen height each way from center) and no horizontal shift versus 5% (again, % screen width each way from center). The new lens must have saved them some money, or maybe it's how they got the extra 200 lumens, but it sure is limiting as far as lens shift goes. And they go out of their way to tell you that you will get chromatic distortion if you deviate from center!
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That will work with a 16:9 (standard HD) image; Projector Central's calculator sez you'll be zoomed to 1.51. Should be nice & bright.

I thought the 5500's zoom stops at 1.6 for wide-angle, so you won't be able to go to 1.51.


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and no horizontal shift

I hope that's not the case. I can't imagine anyone making a LCD projector today with no horizonal shift.
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It seems it has the same optics and zoom as the HC6000.

It has vertical strech for Constant Height setups.

Looks like all the bang of the HC6000 for less cost.

According to ProjectorCentral, the HC6000 has a 1.6x zoom; unless the manual is wrong, the 5500 only has a 1.2x zoom. This is a substantial difference.
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The zoom will be the same as the 4900, 5000, and 6000 think about it people it is common sense...

Maybe, maybe not. Manufacturers have been known to change things. With this PJ being so flexible for anamorphic setups, I could see them limiting zoom range, particularly if they are going to have an optional anamorphic companion lens that they would like to sell.
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Alright people the zoom will be 1.6x like all the others so can we quit talking about it? Focus on 2.35 features, type of panels, optics, or other important things we haven't confirmed yet. This range of zoom is perfect for all applications and will work virtually anywhere so why discuss it.

Until there is proof, it is silly to just assume that it will be the same. Yes, we all hope that it will be the same, and it is likely to be the same, but that doesn't make it so. Should we just assume it will have the same CR as the 4900 because it uses D7 panels also? Using your assumption that zoom is the same, then, I'm sure optics are the same because I'm sure it is the same lens, so why discuss optics?
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Click here for a comparison of the 6000/5500/4900(you will have to select the projectors to compare from the drop down lists and then hit the "compare" button)

The 5500 has 200 more lumens, a different lens, and a much better lamp warranty.
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The Mitsubishi site displays this on the lens:

"Newly developed HD compatible lens system Equipped with a lens system comprised of 17 elements in 14 groups, including three ED (extra-low dispersion) lenses. This lens system dramatically improves chromatic aberration and peripheral focus."

Definitely seems like it is not the same system in the 6000/4900.
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The Mitsubishi site displays this on the lens:

"Newly developed HD compatible lens system Equipped with a lens system comprised of 17 elements in 14 groups, including three ED (extra-low dispersion) lenses. This lens system dramatically improves chromatic aberration and peripheral focus."

Definitely seems like it is not the same system in the 6000/4900.

That's exactly what the 6000 "features and benefits" says too. In fact, it looks like they copied the features and benefits from the 6000. The spec sheet and manual seem to be consistent with the comparison of the projectors in regard to the lens being different.
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Someone mentioned ProjectorPeople was clueless about this projector...maybe they should read their own article:

http://articles.projectorpeople.com/...ubishi-hc4900/

"Coming Soon from Mitsubishi

{ updated } Replacing the top selling HC4900 will be the new HC5500. What’s noteworthy about the HC5500? To start, the Mitsubishi HC5500 is reported to produce just 19db of fan noise, which is a nice improvement for home theater enthusiasts. It also has true HD 1080p resolution and a suggested retail price around $2495.
[ photo: Mitsubishi HC4900 projector ]
{ updated } The new projector is scheduled to be released in or around July 2008."
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That's exactly what the 6000 "features and benefits" says too. In fact, it looks like they copied the features and benefits from the 6000. The spec sheet and manual seem to be consistent with the comparison of the projectors in regard to the lens being different.

ok, so if it's exactly what the 6000 features and benefits says, why don't we think it's the same? It seems odd that they would go and design a new lens for a value priced pj - much more sense to reuse existing designs and get greater economy of scale - maybe they save some money on parts by restricting the zoom (or maybe due to the anamorphic as mentioned.)
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My main goal with the HC5500 is to mate it to the new Pioneer BDP-51 with source direct output. I really enjoy DVD/BD concerts and hoping the Reon is going to work it's magic on 480i / 1080i content.

The LD playback is secondary, but should be at least passable on the 5500. I only have a CDL-A100 (sega laseractive) but trying to get my hands on a CDL-99.

I'll test it out on my favorite LD. Strange Days DTS...

Just note: My CLD-99 was virtually unwatchable on an HC5000. I finally got it changed out after about 3 months and a 4 projector shootout in my theater including the HC5000.

Amazing because they really do look great on the AE1000U. Quite a contrast. Please report back with yoru expeirences.

I run Blu-ray and HD-DVD in my theater as well as HDTV too.
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My CLD-99 [LD player] was virtually unwatchable on an HC5000...Amazing because they really do look great on the AE1000U. Quite a contrast.

You've posted before about this--thanks for the reminder. I certainly agree that LD looks crappy on my Sony 1366x768 and Mits 4900...

Regarding the lens & Zoom capabilities of this pj, I looked at the User Guide and indeed it's a very different lens. So my earlier post where I'd used the 4900 calculator is very wrong!
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That info is in the manual at the link referenced earlier. Or I could give you a hint.

But IMO with the 1920x1080 panels do just fine when zoomed; I can't see the benefit to buying yet another very expensive piece of optics to place in front of the 5500, then aligning it and keeping it clean etc. But you'll decide what you want to spend your money on of course...

I tend to agree with you laserfan; the lens on the 4900 is so sharp and the pixels so small that I go from 8' wide with 16:9 films to 10' wide with 2.35 films without any problems sitting 14' away. Decades ago I used to have 16mm projectors for my home theater and the anamorphic lens attachment always created decreased quality especially in chromatic aberrations. Talk about people being upset over pixel misalignments of 1/2 pixel! How about red green and blue halos around peoples heads?

In the mid-60's I worked with a union projectionist at a local cinema (the days of carbon arc lamps if you can believe it). Even with using multithousand dollar Bausch and Lomb cinemascope lenses to project a 100' wide image (and although I enjoyed the image size,) it wasn't the quality of the 4:3 prints. Of course, I'm talking regular 35mm not superpanavision or ToddAO here; but nobody has 4k resolution projectors in their homes yet.

Not trying to stir the pot, there are 2 or 3 sides to every coin:
ALSO; there are many articles out there debunking the holy grail 24fps philosophy. ALSO there are articles debunking contrast ratios. ALSO; there are also articles out there dismissing the holy grail 1080p and showing that 1080i is sufficient for 'movies'. Now video, that might be another story; but who wants to watch video? Just MHO.
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Regarding laserdisc (analog source):
You've posted before about this--thanks for the reminder. I certainly agree that LD looks crappy on my Sony 1366x768 and Mits 4900...

Regarding the lens & Zoom capabilities of this pj, I looked at the User Guide and indeed it's a very different lens. So my earlier post where I'd used the 4900 calculator is very wrong!

Now you've got me worried. Here I was all excited about connecting a VHS VCR to my 4900. Thanks for ruining my day. Hey, I just remembered I've got a Super VHS deck somewhere; maybe that would look even worse or worser. It's now a sure bet that I'm not going to make an offer for those thousands of LD's you have; let alone any players.
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I would expect that we should see reviews soon. Projector Central states that they will review the 5500 as soon as it arrives. I would expect that we should also get more answers to are questions regarding the zoom and the panels. I just spoke to the people at Projector Place and they told me that they just received an email stating the the the HC5500 uses the D6 panels. I would love to see this confirmed.
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I just spoke to the people at Projector Place and they told me that they just received an email stating the the the HC5500 uses the D6 panels. I would love to see this confirmed.

yet another indication that this is simply a rebadged (or slightly modified) HC6000...and if so, a big price drop for same/similar performance!
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This comparison between the hc6000 and the AE2000 becomes much more interesting with what we're hearing about the 5500. If it is effectively the 6000 (and it sounds like it is in all rated features in the link above) then Mitsubishi is coming in with a directly competitive pj at an MSRP lower than the street price of the panasonic. Unless panny has something up their sleeve, which seems unlikely - they appear to be coasting on the ax200/ae2000, this could take a big bite out of their fall sales. I say fall assuming that they will at least have new models for January - if not then a price war is their only option.
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I would not be surprised to see new models from Panasonic, Sanyo and others in Sept.
That is the ususal time of their new model launch. I would also not be surprised to see Panasonic offer a new rebate soon. Competition is very good for the consumer.
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I would not be surprised to see new models from Panasonic, Sanyo and others in Sept.
That is the ususal time of their new model launch. I would also not be surprised to see Panasonic offer a new rebate soon. Competition is very good for the consumer.

very, very true, but didn't we see many rumors and leaks on the 200/2000 by this time before their launch?
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ok, so if it's exactly what the 6000 features and benefits says, why don't we think it's the same? It seems odd that they would go and design a new lens for a value priced pj - much more sense to reuse existing designs and get greater economy of scale - maybe they save some money on parts by restricting the zoom (or maybe due to the anamorphic as mentioned.)

We won't know until we know as the saying goes, but it is possible to achieve economies of scale with a newly designed lens as well whether it is from increased manufacturing efficiencies, decreased manufacturing costs, decreased parts costs, etc. This is particularly true since this will be a "value" projector and the sales quantities will be significantly larger than higher priced models.
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It sure looks like the lens is different based on the marketing materials. there were several mentions of anamorphic lens 'ready' which makes one think they might be releasing an add-on lens sometime soon.

I just ordered one and should have it in a few days. My main goal is relatively simple. Direct source output from the Pioneer BDP-51 to the HC5500 for smooth DVD & 1080P/24 BD viewing + decent blacks.

the street price is great and looking forward to putting this through it's paces. If anyone else gets theirs first, please post your intial impressions.


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It sure looks like the lens is different based on the marketing materials. there were several mentions of anamorphic lens 'ready' which makes one think they might be releasing an add-on lens sometime soon.

I just ordered one and should have it in a few days. My main goal is relatively simple. Direct source output from the Pioneer BDP-51 to the HC5500 for smooth DVD & 1080P/24 BD viewing + decent blacks.

the street price is great and looking forward to putting this through it's paces. If anyone else gets theirs first, please post your intial impressions.

Ok, now that's TWO of you - where the heck are you ordering this from - most of the AVS sponsors are still pretending it doesn't exist, and a search of other reputable dealers turns up nothing. Not disputing you, just want to know your connection/dealer/supplier/sugar daddy
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Ok, now that's TWO of you - where the heck are you ordering this from - most of the AVS sponsors are still pretending it doesn't exist, and a search of other reputable dealers turns up nothing. Not disputing you, just want to know your connection/dealer/supplier/sugar daddy

LOL!
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It sure looks like the lens is different based on the marketing materials.

YES the lens is different. You just have to look at the Owner's manual (and compare to HC4900 and/or HC6000 as I have). Both Specs and the charts are different for the new model.
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