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post #181 of 1639 Old 12-22-2008, 04:17 PM
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Is anyone using this projector with an at screen? Maybe Sheerweave 4500? Just wondering if there have been any moire problems with this setup? Would the panny be better because of its smooth screen technology?
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Yea,, I was noticing the lack of any comments reguarding the floor decoration as well,,,,,, but what'a ya expect,,,,,,this is a forum for A/V geeks and a naked girl real or fake is not guna get in the way of determining contrast ratio on a projector.

Come to think of it (pun intended) perhaps most of the AVS members are more familiar with a fake girl than a real girl.

I think AVS members are kinda like the same people that attend Star Trek conventions

As far as my floor decoration, I leave her out 24/7 and I do have fun with her,,,no, its not what your thinkin.
What I do is have her facing the exact spot were any girlfriend I invite over for movie night is going to be sitting.
I have had girls put a sweater or a blanket over her when I have left the room for a moment as they cant handle the floor decoration staring at them.
Its very very funny !!!!!!!!!!!!!

And thanks "tomes" for commenting,,, it proves that you are semi normal

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Haha, that's just weird!! Do you usually end up getting second dates with these girls or what?!?!


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Haha, that's just weird!! Do you usually end up getting second dates with these girls or what?!?!


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Yes, I do end up getting second dates,,, but Im not sure if its me or if they just like me for my projector.

Screen size does matter.

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Yea,, I was noticing the lack of any comments reguarding the floor decoration as well,,,,,, but what'a ya expect,,,,,,this is a forum for A/V geeks and a naked girl real or fake is not guna get in the way of determining contrast ratio on a projector.

Come to think of it (pun intended) perhaps most of the AVS members are more familiar with a fake girl than a real girl.

I think AVS members are kinda like the same people that attend Star Trek conventions

As far as my floor decoration, I leave her out 24/7 and I do have fun with her,,,no, its not what your thinkin.
What I do is have her facing the exact spot were any girlfriend I invite over for movie night is going to be sitting.
I have had girls put a sweater or a blanket over her when I have left the room for a moment as they cant handle the floor decoration staring at them.
Its very very funny !!!!!!!!!!!!!

And thanks "tomes" for commenting,,, it proves that you are semi normal

Cheers
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I think it's aweome! in fact if my wife wouldn't have killed me, I'd ask where you got it

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Is anyone using this projector with an at screen? Maybe Sheerweave 4500? Just wondering if there have been any moire problems with this setup? Would the panny be better because of its smooth screen technology?

I'd be interested in knowing this too. I just bought the 4500, will have the screen done before I buy a pj. I did read somewhere that 1080ub gave someone moiré problems. It could be size/position related too though. I also read that a very slight defocus may help.
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What would cause the pic to have a tiny jump in it. Tough to even notice it but it does a little jump every few seconds. Dosnt do it if i put the blue centering pattern up on the screen. I have a HD TWC box with 35ft HDMI. Thanks
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What would cause the pic to have a tiny jump in it. Tough to even notice it but it does a little jump every few seconds. Dosnt do it if i put the blue centering pattern up on the screen. I have a HD TWC box with 35ft HDMI. Thanks

Does it do it with every channel, or just certain ones? TNT-HD has this issue - I think they do some kind of cheating with the frames to shave time off the show/movie. Chronicles of Riddick was on the other week and was awful for it.

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Here are some lux measurements with Living Room mode, High lamp mode on, high speed auto iris at 14 hrs of use. Full on/off on 113" screen 20ft from projector.

The image represents my entire screen and the location of the red numbers represents the location and ratio i calculated on that part of the screen. The black numbers are the lux measurements per full white or full black image.
113" Image 20ft from projector

93" Image 20ft from projector


This post has been updated since my original measurements. Here are the measurements from 12/21/2008. My new settings are brighter and give a better contrast ratio. I had a max ratio of just under 1000:1 last time and now reaching 1400:1. Dynamic mode doesn't give the contrast ratio Living Room mode does with gamma adjusted and expanded hdmi.
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Here are some HDMI range normal vs expanded comparisons in Dynamic mode. Ignore the blue tent from my camera. The expanded range definitely has better gray detail.


NORMAL__________________________________________EXPANDED

Expanded has more detail on building windows.

More face detail with Expanded. Hard to look at Normal mode in this scene.

Normal looks better in this pic but hard to look at on screen.

Same with this pic. Easier to view with Expanded.

Expanded has more face detail and background view.

Look at the gap in the concrete wall.

More face detail.
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HDMI Normal Range - Dynamic

HDMI Expanded Range - Dynamic

HDMI Expanded Range - Living Room


Here is the final setting I like the most. Dynamic mode has a EE look to it. Living room removes this and adds a cooler(blue) look which makes most scenes easier to view.
HDMI Range: Expanded
Color Mode: Living Room
Brightness Control: High (Low on Cable TV input)
Auto Iris: High Speed
Gamma Tone 1: -32
Gamma Tone 2: -5
Gamma Tone 3: +1
Gamma Tone 4: -1
Gamma Tone 5-9: 0

PS3 BD/DVD Video Output (HDMI): Automatic
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Do you use lens shift? Could that be a factor in your lux measurements?
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Bud,

Thanks for the measurements. So contrast is below 1000 to 1? Maybe it's a step down contrast wise from my infocus.
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Is anyone using this projector with an at screen? Maybe Sheerweave 4500? Just wondering if there have been any moire problems with this setup? Would the panny be better because of its smooth screen technology?

Any moire pattern effect will be the same for any 1080p PJ (the Panny AE3000 would have no advantage).

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Does it do it with every channel, or just certain ones? TNT-HD has this issue - I think they do some kind of cheating with the frames to shave time off the show/movie. Chronicles of Riddick was on the other week and was awful for it.

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Yea,its doing it with every channel on the Epson 6100.Its not doing it with my 52inch Samsung from same feed with a 6ft HDMI. Can see it when Espn has a scrool on the bottom real good. Any thoughts?
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From other calculators I am getting 11ft 11in is the distance for the 6100 with the lense at maximum.Personal I will be back from 12ft 4in to 13ft 6in .Once it arrives I will make my mount once mine arrives on the 25th

I set up the projector at ten feet on a table and it filled my 106" screen and more using the zoom so the Epson calculator was correct. I plan to mount it to the ceiling at about 12'. Now I can't wait to get my Blu-Ray player (Sony) set up and play my first HD movie (The Dark Knight) tonight.
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I set up the projector at ten feet on a table and it filled my 106" screen and more using the zoom so the Epson calculator was correct. I plan to mount it to the ceiling at about 12'. Now I can't wait to get my Blu-Ray player (Sony) set up and play my first HD movie (The Dark Knight) tonight.

Well that shows that some online calculators like the one at projector central are not 100% true in real life.

Thanks for letting me us know in fact you can get 106" at 10ft
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Updated the contrast ratio measurements from a few days back here. Increased it from a max of 970:1 to just short of 1400:1. When I zoom in to 93" diagonal for 16:9 material to fit my screen i get a max ratio of 1580:1. Adjusted color mode from Dynamic to Living Room with Gamma and color adjustments. Viewing with ambient light on is now excellent too.

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Do you use lens shift? Could that be a factor in your lux measurements?

Set it up without any lens shift. Didn't improve anything from that. Still can't get it focus completely on the left side but still a really really great looking picture though.
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Folks who ceiling mounted using Sanus VMPR1 mount,

No matter how much I tighten the 4 tapered thumb nuts (last step), the projector does not seem to be securely fastened. I am still able to release the projector out of the slots with a simple twist.

I am worried that the projector may fall out while adjusting the manual focus or zoom.

Did you encounter this while assembling? Any thoughts if you think I am doing something wrong?
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Folks who ceiling mounted using Sanus VMPR1 mount,

No matter how much I tighten the 4 tapered thumb nuts (last step), the projector does not seem to be securely fastened. I am still able to release the projector out of the slots with a simple twist.

I am worried that the projector may fall out while adjusting the manual focus or zoom.

Did you encounter this while assembling? Any thoughts if you think I am doing something wrong?

I never thought about checking that. So I'm not sure if mine does that or not. I don't really want to mess up the adjustments right now but will check it someday when I get a chance. They should've put a small dip in the tracks so the thumb screws drop down a little bit. I guess the only thing keeping it from spinning off is the pressure from the thumb screws and the weight of the pj.

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I've got the 6100 hooked up right now and the picture is very nice. It's not incredible, but nice.

It might be going back though. I can't believe Epson would bring a product to market that has such a loud Dynamic Iris. Really unacceptable.
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Here's a few screenshots from my new 6100. The shots are from mkv files via my htpc.






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A few more from my 6100.






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i didnt read through a whole lot of this thread yet....but any reviews out yet on the 6100? im curious to see how it stacks up against the older 1080UB model
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Has anyone seen any banding on the 6100 or any other of the ills of older organic panels? Debating this projector over the Mitsu 6500. Thanks!
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I have not seen any banding. Then again, I haven't seen banding since about 10 projectors ago....AE700.
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Anyone else with a loud iris? Or are they all loud?
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Mine is pretty loud, but it is a non factor I would think, it only happens when you switch between settings. i.e. living room to theater black 1 ... I assume we are talking about the same thing. Otherwise I don't hear anything.


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I moved my pj about a foot higher due to the noise from the iris. That aside, I still noticed that it got quieter after about 20 hours of use. Not the first pj I've seen that needed some "break-in" of the iris.
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I just got my 6100 going last night, and all I have is small amount of fan noise but then i have mine mounted behind me and up.

I did come up with a very sleek and modern mount all from IKEA.I will post it all later with photos.
So far no set up just out of the box and onto the taupe coloured wall as i am getting the screen today.(MRS got me the projector and screen for Xmas) But the screen did not arrive in time 106" getting installed today.
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I'm looking for some advice? I own an infocus5700 for about 5-6 years. I loved it but am highly disappointed with its longevity as it has went kerplunk at less than 1000 total hours. (I'll never buy an infocus again, $5000 for 1000 hours, urghhhh!) I haven't even needed a new bulb, yet. Not to bore you with the details but it won't turn on and I have been told it will be more to fix than the projector is worth.
Anyway, I have wanted to upgrade to 1080P for awhile now and I guess I cannot put it off much longer. I am not as picky as all of the experts here, after all, I have been happy with the 5700(pic-wise)for years and any 1080P will be a wonderful improvement, I am sure. I have a chance to get the Sanyo PLV-2000 for about $400 less than the Epson 6100.
1. My first question is will I see a dramatic difference if I buy last years Sanyo instead of a new Epson?
2. I was content(not thrilled) with black levels in the 5700 and would like an improvement. Are the newer projectors a lot better? (I figured as much but was wondering since I'm going from DLP to LCD)
3. But, probably my top concern has to be longevity since my wife isn't too keen on another projector purchase after such little use of our last one. I know no one can tell me how long a projector will last but maybe some insight into the quality of the two companies (Sanyo, Epson)
4. Lastly, any way to recycle my 5700?
Thanks to everyone. This site helped me immensely before and hopefully it will again.
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