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Something is not adding up which explains why it was a WOOT deal....

If I choose I 100" diag screen, the zoom range only allows the front of the projector lens to be 10'1" to 12'7" - for the mathematically challenged - that's the front row in most theaters.

Add to that the lack of lens offset puts the projector somewhere between 5'10" and 6' high off the floor (ceiling mounted, but using the floor as a reference).

Good thing the cables are hidden, cuz this POS just took over the 'LOOK' of my HT. Can you tell I'm frustrated?

Just a thought, but you may be jumping the gun and it may turn out differently than spec'd, like my pd7060.
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The amount of offset (according the the confusing information) is much less than the 4805 (same PJ I currently have).

For the 7130 you need to lower the projector, or raise the screen - AND the PJ needs to be closer to the screen as well. I want none of that - so I'm still figuring.

For chits and giggles I'm reading the 1080UB manual - At least that can zoom from 10 to 21 feet where the PD7130 only has a range of a couple feet.
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Just a thought, but you may be jumping the gun and it may turn out differently than spec'd, like my pd7060.

YOU MAY BE CORRECT - reading the 1080UB manual it wants the PJ in the center of the screen, but then on page 26 it clearly defines what is meant by +/-96% for the shift.

I can only hope.
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My Infocus is currently mounted about 8' from the floor to the center of the lens and about 12 1/2 feet from the screen (ceiling mounted of course). Is this going to be a problem for me? I sit about 9-10 feet from the screen. Or is it possible to shelf mount if the shelf is about 7' high from the floor?

My impression from the calculator is that if you shelf mount it, the center of the lens will be in line with the top of the screen if the lens shift is maxed (well, "minned") out. If the shelf is at 7', then the center of the lens would be around 7'4", so the top of the screen would have to be that high in order to avoid angling the projector and needing to do keystone correction.

I picked this up yesterday and will probably try a shelf mount, but I will be a little disappointed if the lens shift does not give it the flexibility I was expecting (the +115%/-100% specification is very misleading, IMO). If it had a longer throw, it would be fine, but as it is, I'll probably have to move my screen for it to work.
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This is from the thread listed above...

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If you use the image size calculator located on line (http://www.planarhometheater.com/pro...ulator0308.xls), and click on the PD8150 tab you will see there are three boxes you can modify: screen width (inches); screen gain; projector lumens. For the PD8150 lets assume you have a 87" wide screen. You will see that the calculator will tell you that the projector can be placed between 161" and 208" from the screen using the standard lens that ships with the projector. Then look at the bottom of the sheet and you will see "Center vertical offset, max recommended" and the number is 29.4" meaning that the centerline of the projector lens can be mounted 29.4" above the center of the screen or 5.4" above the top of the screen. This is the -120% of the 1/2 height vertical lens shift. You will also see that the minimum offset is -12.2", meaning that the centerline of the lens could sit 12.2" below the center of the screen. This calculator assumes ceiling mount. The horizontal shift is +/-6.5" from the center of the screen.

I hope this helps.
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"This is the -120% of the 1/2 height vertical lens shift."

Whatever the hell that is, is also stated in the 8150 manual...but the 7130 is clearly un-clear

Guess I'll just put padding on it for all the times I hit my head.

Might have one for sale...gotta go check more measurements.

assuming that you can ceiling mount this pj (upside down image flip) and have this range "29.4" above the center of the screen or 5.4" above the top of the screen" with the projector. if you were shelf mounting it you would have the same play with the picture flopped to be right side up. that would allow you to place the pj from 5.4" below the bottom of the screen to 29.4" below the center of the screen.

am i confused? i basically want the pj lens to be at the bottom edge of the image.
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am i confused? i basically want the pj lens to be at the bottom edge of the image.

That's not a problem according to the guy on the phone.
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I got one. I'm replacing an Acer PH530. Hoping that this is a large improvement!

I hope we get them soon. I want to check it out before buying the Mack extended warranty.
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Did anybody ever figure out what resolutions are available using DVI input?
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Anyone that bought one of these that can't make it work in their room, I would be happy to take it off of you hands.

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I currently have a BenQ W500 that was to hold me over until decent 1080p dropped to the ~$1000-$1200 mark.

I don't really like DLP projectors. I'm susceptible to RBE and I've yet to encounter one that doesn't make a ridiculously high-pitched whine from the action of the color-wheel.

I snagged one of these, because it was incredibly cheap, and a high-end product.

My projector sits directly between two chairs I use for seating, almost at eye-level on a stand slightly behind the heads of the viewers. If this Planar PD7130 is too noisy to be positioned there I'll be getting rid of it ASAP.

If it ends up working out I'll be getting rid of my W500 for $604 + shipping.

If you're potentially interested in either one just PM me, so I don't have to go trawling through this thread later to track you guys down.
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So, to summarize the Vertical Lens Shift function of this PJ:

The Projector can be mounted anywhere within the screen's vertical direction plus up to 3" below the screen if the projector is table mounted.

Or in other words:

The screen can placed up to either 1/2 of the image height below or 1/2 IH above the lens centerline with an additional 3" below the lens' centerline.
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The projector apparently has a 7.5% max vertical offset. Take the height of the screen and multiply by 7.5% to get the maximum amount the lens can be placed above or below the edge of the screen.

120% of the 1/2 height (in the PD8150's case) has the be the dumbest thing I have ever read. Why not call it the 10% offset that it is? Oh yeah - marketing.

Accountants/marketing apparently collaborated and wrote the manuals!

The PD7130 (according to the accountants) is 115% of the 50% height. Or 7.5% maximum vertical offset in 'real' terms.

Fixed offset DLP's (from say Infocus) range 17-34%...my 4805 is roughly 24%. Lens shift versions seem to have a broad zoom range or more conducive throw range. The PD7130 seems to be designed around a single row of seating.
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Personally, I think that as long as one's viewing position (head) is at the center of the screen or below, in the vertical direction, and the projector is placed above, in line with the top of the image,

then all this should work out fine because you're never in the light path anyway.

The advantage of this is the projector can be either just put on a high shelf or be ceiling mounted up-side-down for the same result. I can see how this can work well for different set-ups.

Definitely agree that this all should have been worded differently though.
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Also note the zoom range is about 1.3 - 1.7 screen width.

Right in line with what most find optimal for viewing distance.

I can only hope the specs are inaccurate.
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Just wanted to note while it is true the lense shift can get the lense out of the viewing area by a few inches it is not recommended. The spreadsheet lists both a "maximum" and "recommended" dimension for lense shift. The recommended numbers put the lense within the screen envelope area.
One would assume image quality degrades outside the "recommended" numbers.
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I would imagine that the lenses on a $4000 projector would be more than capable of hiding any significant distortion resulting from shifting the image around.
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Here are more reviews on the 7060, since there aren't many on the 7130:

http://www.testseek.com/home_electro...909D88078.html
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Man, that 7060 is butt ugly..
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Man, that 7060 is butt ugly..

It's what's on the inside that counts. If that got that good of reviews, I'm sure the 7130 will be great, especially at a $599 price point.
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Anyone care to share what ceiling mount they will be using with this projector?
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I honestly doubt you can get $400 for an IN72 but I wish you the best of luck considering the upgrade that you are about to experience from the 7130 .

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Wow...the IN72 is at $511 right now on ebay, with over 1 day left on the auction. I think the warranty from Best Buy is helping the auction. I'm glad I prayed to Joe Pesci the other night.
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I wonder how the PD7130 or a comparable projector matches up with the Black Flame Light Fusion screen? The last post relating to the BFLF seem to be about a year old, so its hard to tell which specs have worked with this product.

I'm really curious to see how this particular combination would hold up with ambient lighting - or if it even matters at all, esp. will all the talk about Lumen output.
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I just checked the Discussion area at woot as I'm going crazy waiting for this thing to ship. It was posted as follows:

"just a heads up on shipping - the projectors will be shipping out today and tomorrow. Some of you will be receiving the Planar PD7150 instead of the PD7130, it looks identical but has slightly better specs. Don't dismay - it's not a mistake, we just had some 7150s so some will get the upgrade. "

Oh let it be me getting a 7150!

This is pretty exciting!

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I just checked the Discussion area at woot as I'm going crazy waiting for this thing to ship. It was posted as follows:

"just a heads up on shipping - the projectors will be shipping out today and tomorrow. Some of you will be receiving the Planar PD7150 instead of the PD7130, it looks identical but has slightly better specs. Don't dismay - it's not a mistake, we just had some 7150s so some will get the upgrade. "

Oh let it be me getting a 7150!

This is pretty exciting!

Mike

I am curious if they will be distributing them randomly, or after the 7130's run out? If they are waiting until they run out of 7130's then I may have a shot at it, I ordered at 3:08pm on Thursday, it sold out about 3 hours after I ordered. .
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Saw the same on Woot....If I get a 7150 I'd be interested in trading someone for the 7130...the 7150 has NO offset and I'm already having trouble placing the 7130

Of course the slightly better specs - and the shipping to and fro it might just be cheaper to make a larger screen. (in my case it'd have to be much larger and as such probably too large).
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Saw the same on Woot....If I get a 7150 I'd be interested in trading someone for the 7130...the 7150 has NO offset and I'm already having trouble placing the 7130

Of course the slightly better specs - and the shipping to and fro it might just be cheaper to make a larger screen. (in my case it'd have to be much larger and as such probably too large).


Doesn't the 7150 have a greater "lens shift" than the 7130?
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Wow...the IN72 is at $511 right now on ebay, with over 1 day left on the auction. I think the warranty from Best Buy is helping the auction. I'm glad I prayed to Joe Pesci the other night.

That is surprising , I have seen several IN72's go for around $300 , it must be the warranty ( good for you ) .

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That is surprising , I have seen several IN72's go for around $300 , it must be the warranty ( good for you ) .

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Thanks, I am just as surprised as you are. I thought I would get $400 at the most. Looks like this might pay for the Planar, or come close. I sold that software too for $112, so with that it will definitely cover the $605.
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Doesn't the 7150 have a greater "lens shift" than the 7130?

Page 16 of the manual shows them having the same lens shift range (1 picture height, with the extremes being with the bottom and top edges in line with the center of the lens). The calculator shows the 7150 with a max range of only 0.825 picture heights (the 7130 is 1.075) and a recommended range of .775 picture heights (the 7130 is 1.0).
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Page 16 of the manual shows them having the same lens shift range (1 picture height, with the extremes being with the bottom and top edges in line with the center of the lens). The calculator shows the 7150 with a max range of only 0.825 picture heights (the 7130 is 1.075) and a recommended range of .775 picture heights (the 7130 is 1.0).

What is the offset of the 7130, I am unable to open the manual on my PC for some reason? As stated earlier, there is zero offset on the 7150?
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