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Old 10-05-2008, 05:11 PM - Thread Starter
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Anyone? There are 800x600 150 lumen models out now:

LG HS102 160 lumens, 2000:1 MSRP $600 Unfortunately only available in Korea right now.
http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/hs102.jhtml

screenshots from HS102:

http://blog.naver.com/kih3115?Redire...No=20052255053

Samsung P400 150 lumens, 1000:1 MSRP $600

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/d...cd=SPP400BX/EN

Presumably these use the same dlp chip and PhlatLight LEDS so how is the LG getting a 2000:1 contrast?

I'm thinking of maybe trying one of these out in the next couple months. If anyone has first-hand experience please share!
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I'll get one for sure once they hit the $150-200 mark.

Thanks for posting the info.
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I have a 1-2 year old model, Mits PK-20. It's rated at like 20-30 lumens but doesn't seem that dim. I use it for travel/vacation HT and it's pretty great, frankly. It's not like my 1500 lumen 720p DLP. In mixed lighting rooms (like when I'm teaching and people take notes) I use around a 42-50" image to improve brightness - so obviously it's only for smaller groups, and then for movies, with the windows blocked, I stretch it out to 60-70" (smaller in widescreen, of course) and it's terrific.

I know you guys are thinking about designated HT applications, especially those of you who go through lamps quickly. I think we're still a couple years out on that, but it's a fun toy and great secondary PJ. It's quiet, relatively cool (ought to be without any brightness) and turns off and on a lot quicker than a traditional unit. 'The fundamentals of the' tech are strong, will be interesting.

I'm very surprised how bright '20 lumens' appears. My HT projector seems 4-5x brighter, not 15x, so the 150 lumen models are a little interesting.

I paid $500 with a battery pack around 1 year back. The battery doubles the size/weight, but is great here in India with power outages.
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You make a good point about low lumen output being brighter than you'd think. Microvision has a scanning laser projector coming out around April 09 rated between 10-20 lumens but you'd never know from this video:

http://microvision.sdh.cx/2008/04/mi...ig-screen.html
Click the square for full screen.

I'm looking forward to a bulb-free future.

Update: The Microvision laser projector should be available in June 09.
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I guess I need to stop skimming thread titles. I was like "WTF? Who owns an LCD projector? Probably half the people in this forum!"

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Does anybody know if the Samsung P400 can accept HDTV signals? 480p through the D-Sub (15-pin) port? Will a D-Sub to component breakout cable work? I can't find anything on the internet.

My Current TV: 36" HD Sony CRT, 37" Vizio, 42" Panasonic Plasma, 50" Samsung Plasma, 110" DaLite HP with Samsung LED Projector, 110" DaLite HP with Casio XJ-A240 LED Projector
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I guess I need to stop skimming thread titles. I was like "WTF? Who owns an LCD projector? Probably half the people in this forum!"

Whoever took my helmet please give it back - my bus is about to leave.

I did the same thing.

You can have it back when I'm done with it.
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Does anybody know if the Samsung P400 can accept HDTV signals? 480p through the D-Sub (15-pin) port? Will a D-Sub to component breakout cable work? I can't find anything on the internet.

Can anybody help? I spent one hour on the phone with samsung, an absloute waste of time. I would ask for support for "projectors" and end up in the "printer department".

I guess the best thing to do is to buy it, try it, take it back.

My Current TV: 36" HD Sony CRT, 37" Vizio, 42" Panasonic Plasma, 50" Samsung Plasma, 110" DaLite HP with Samsung LED Projector, 110" DaLite HP with Casio XJ-A240 LED Projector
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Can anybody help? I spent one hour on the phone with samsung, an absloute waste of time. I would ask for support for "projectors" and end up in the "printer department".

I guess the best thing to do is to buy it, try it, take it back.

Looks like it is a native 800x600 image and the only higher resolution input is the d-sub port. It will accept 720p and 1080i signals through the d-sub input and rescale that to 800x450.
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I was hesitant to answer because I have a different 800x600 LED PJ, but mine (Mits PK20) does take HD signals over VGA cable, and Component-VGA works fine. I set my XBOX to 720p when we're on vacation. 1080i also worked similarly.

Hopefully this model is the same - I agree completely with reconlabtech's answer, I'm just not 100% certain.
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Well I broke down and bought one, I will keep you guys posted and I will take some good screen shots.

My Current TV: 36" HD Sony CRT, 37" Vizio, 42" Panasonic Plasma, 50" Samsung Plasma, 110" DaLite HP with Samsung LED Projector, 110" DaLite HP with Casio XJ-A240 LED Projector
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well i broke down and bought one, i will keep you guys posted and i will take some good screen shots.

lg hs102 ?
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I guess I need to stop skimming thread titles. I was like "WTF? Who owns an LCD projector? Probably half the people in this forum!"

Whoever took my helmet please give it back - my bus is about to leave.

Man oh man, I thought I saw the same thing until i read your post !
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Well I broke down and bought one, I will keep you guys posted and I will take some good screen shots.

Awesome dude, looking forward to it!
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Can anybody help? I spent one hour on the phone with samsung, an absloute waste of time. I would ask for support for "projectors" and end up in the "printer department".

I guess the best thing to do is to buy it, try it, take it back.

I guess we now know where ex BB.com employees found jobs.
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Its here. I'm very impressed with the unit. Its mucher brighter than I expected. No Go on component video, going to try a transcoder. Will post pics later.

My Current TV: 36" HD Sony CRT, 37" Vizio, 42" Panasonic Plasma, 50" Samsung Plasma, 110" DaLite HP with Samsung LED Projector, 110" DaLite HP with Casio XJ-A240 LED Projector
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Yeah Lumen ratings can be surprising. I think mine's rated at 25 lumens or something (my HT projector is 1500 lumens) and - while not super bright, it is quite usable in reasonable lighting situations. I've read the explanation about the way the human eye perceives light and you have to like double before you see an appreciable difference or something like that. Bottom line, while these aren't recommended at all as primary HT PJs, they're quite fun and useful
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Its here. I'm very impressed with the unit. Its mucher brighter than I expected. No Go on component video, going to try a transcoder. Will post pics later.

Just to clarify, this is the Samsung P400? I hope you don't mind I've got a few questions for you:

What is the widest image you can project before the lens won't focus anymore?

What size image are you projecting and how close to the screen do you have to be before you see pixel structure (screendoor)?

If you are sensitive to them, have you seen any rainbows?

Have you owned any other dlp projectors and if so how would you rate the ansi contrast of this unit?

Thanks! Phlatlight LEDs are new to projectors so if you can answer any of these questions that would be fantastic.
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Yeah Lumen ratings can be surprising. I think mine's rated at 25 lumens or something (my HT projector is 1500 lumens) and - while not super bright, it is quite usable in reasonable lighting situations. I've read the explanation about the way the human eye perceives light and you have to like double before you see an appreciable difference or something like that. Bottom line, while these aren't recommended at all as primary HT PJs, they're quite fun and useful

Samsung P400 user opinion

"Personal Experience
I have owned many portable projectors before like the Viewsonic pj551... My first look at the projector when I unpacked it today was the external power supply for the unit. Bulky and big was not what anyone would be expecting. Only good news on the external ps is the rating 14vDC at 4amps which should make some people in the R.V. or mobile market happy that it could run of the automotive battery.

OK- On with the good's... Picture is cleaner than my Viewsonic pj551 and is on par with my more expensive Sanyo PLV-Z5. Contrast and color accuracy blew me away. The DLP chipset with the LED package coming from Phatlight & T.I simply rocks. I would rate the contrast around even with 5,000:1 when comparing it to my 10,000:1 Sanyo not the 1,500 rated. Also lumen output of the samsung sp-p400b only rated at 150 but puts out near identical levels of light with my viewsonic and sanyo's when configured for movie watching. I know this projector wasn't designed for the movie people but does have enough light output to shine on my 100" screen with no visible issues. The speakers work very well and will work any small - medium conference room.

Summery of my rant...
-Color accuracy is amazing for the price of the pj
-Headphone jack is a big plus
-Sliding lens cover instead of one that pops off
-Brightness is good for lit rooms up to 60" range
-Black's are almost at black as pj's costing Thousands more.
-Front / Ceiling / Rear / and Rear ceiling support
Can't wait for next years model and one for the Home Theater.

Problems
Only things wishing for more...

-No s-video or HDMI input
-No Zoom for the lens
-No supplied VGA breakout cable for component input
-Only 800x600 720p would be nice or 1080p option
-Only one pivot foot up and down not side balance
-Buttons on pj are VERY sensitive and take a wile to get used to so the remote is a must for the first experience."

Opinion of Tripneye - Aug 26, 2008 From projectorcentral.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/part...inion_id=11668
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Wow! It's in the same league as a Z5? Phatlight is a major break through, because while I like my PK20, it's not in that cosmo in terms of performance. Thanks for posting your thoughts.
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Man, if only this projector was 720p. I'd be all over it. I don't need much lumens. Just the equivalent of 500 or so will do in Cinema mode.

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Wow! It's in the same league as a Z5? Phatlight is a major break through, because while I like my PK20, it's not in that cosmo in terms of performance. Thanks for posting your thoughts.

The above review was not the poster's but rather someone's from projector central. Hopefully we will hear back from johnzo1995 soon...I'm also hoping we get a 720p or 1080p LED from CES in two weeks.
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I'll get one for sure once they hit the $150-200 mark.

I completely agree... Definitely cool though!
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Just to clarify, this is the Samsung P400? I hope you don't mind I've got a few questions for you: Yes P400

What is the widest image you can project before the lens won't focus anymore? About 144"

What size image are you projecting and how close to the screen do you have to be before you see pixel structure (screendoor)? 100" (16:9), 7 feet

If you are sensitive to them, have you seen any rainbows? No

Have you owned any other dlp projectors and if so how would you rate the ansi contrast of this unit? This is my first DLP, Im a LCD guy

Thanks! Phlatlight LEDs are new to projectors so if you can answer any of these questions that would be fantastic, I love this projector

My Current TV: 36" HD Sony CRT, 37" Vizio, 42" Panasonic Plasma, 50" Samsung Plasma, 110" DaLite HP with Samsung LED Projector, 110" DaLite HP with Casio XJ-A240 LED Projector
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Here are my pro and cons for the p400:

Pros:
1. LED (How Obvious) I use it everynight, fall asleep with it running and don't even have to hold my breath about the lamp
2. Good brightness: during the day with 50-60" (4:3) no problem, nightime with good light control 120-144" (4:3) or about 100" (16:9)
3. Excellent color, good contrast
4. Screendoor is not that bad

Cons:
1. No Component Video
2. No Zoom Lens
3. Remote kind of sucks

Overall I think this projector is great, despite the 800*600 rez, the picture is very pleasing. I really really wished there was component input on this model so we at least can get 480p to the projector, however 480i from the directv box looks good.

I have some pics coming soon, took some last night, but I need to adjust the camera shutter to make it look like what it see.

Next model: (What I would hope for)
1. 1280*720 or 1366*768 LCD or DLP
2. Component, HDMI, S-video, Screen trigger, serial port
3. Zoom Lens
4. Better Remote

My Current TV: 36" HD Sony CRT, 37" Vizio, 42" Panasonic Plasma, 50" Samsung Plasma, 110" DaLite HP with Samsung LED Projector, 110" DaLite HP with Casio XJ-A240 LED Projector
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Thank you for answering my questions! It really sounds quite nice. I think next year we will see at the very least 4 more brands of LED projectors on the market. Looking forward to your screenshots!
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here is one shot, the screen is about 10% brighter than it really is. FYI this is shot on a brown wall. I will try and get better shots tonight.

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here is one shot, the screen is about 10% brighter than it really is. FYI this is shot on a brown wall. I will try and get better shots tonight.

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Wow! That is good brightness! If they can manage to cool the LEDs and make the blue last longer, with a 720p under 1k, that would be a great bargain.

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here is one shot, the screen is about 10% brighter than it really is. FYI this is shot on a brown wall. I will try and get better shots tonight.

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More pics, please.
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More pics!


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