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What's the latest news on when this baby's coming out? Is it sometime in November?
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The Mits HC3800 is available now on projectorpeople.com

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It also says call for availability, so I'm guessing they don't have any in stock and want to take a pre-order. I'd like to think it's ready to order but Mitsubishi still has the user manual listed "coming soon" while the new 6800 user manual has been on the Mitsubishi site for weeks.

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If this PJ has the very same contrast as the HC3000 with the iris open, 2800-1 then it will throw one hell of a 1080P image once calibrated and I for one would be very satisfied if that is all it offers. I still am not into spending even $2,000 on a PJ so keep in mind that this will likely be just over the 1K mark and it has a longer bulb warranty. I however won't be an early adopter as my HC3000 and the HC1500 and the HC1000 have had more than the average number of units that had a transistor issue that make the bulb flicker, some said no its not in the pj's its the cheap bulbs that go into the HCXXX's. Mine has flickered on and off since I got it, but when its not the image is damn nice and it is the only DLP out of 5 that I have owned that could focus every mirror on the dmd to perfectly clarity on my screen for perfect focus. With the price/warranty all should be good.
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Hello all,

I'm very new to all this projector talk but this one has really caught my eye and I can't wait to hear a few more reviews.

One thing I was wondering.. What would be a good matching screen for this projector?

I've read that slightly Gray screens can help black levels. Would that be a good idea for this projector?

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I've read that slightly Gray screens can help black levels. Would that be a good idea for this projector?

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Depends on the size of the screen. If you're gonna run a smallish screen, like 70"-80" wide'sh, then you can probably run a gray screen (gray screens help backs become blacker, but they also cut down the brightness of the image).

But if you're going big, you need the lumens this PJ has to offer, and you might want to stay matte white 1.0 gain'sh.

At what point this might be is subject to taste and preference.
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If this PJ has the very same contrast as the HC3000 with the iris open, 2800-1 then it will throw one hell of a 1080P image once calibrated and I for one would be very satisfied if that is all it offers.

Well, Cine4home measured 2400:1 when calibrated at 6500K, which is the same rating as the HC3000 they measured 4 years earlier.
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Depends on the size of the screen. If you're gonna run a smallish screen, like 70"-80" wide'sh, then you can probably run a gray screen (gray screens help backs become blacker, but they also cut down the brightness of the image).

But if you're going big, you need the lumens this PJ has to offer, and you might want to stay matte white 1.0 gain'sh.


Hi there,

Thanks for the reply. Based on the size of my room I think I'm looking at between a 100" - 110" screen.

So I should be looking more for a white screen at this size? Does the projector have problems with brightness at this size then?

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Hi there,

Thanks for the reply. Based on the size of my room I think I'm looking at between a 100" - 110" screen.

So I should be looking more for a white screen at this size? Does the projector have problems with brightness at this size then?

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According to Arts review at projectorreviews.com you should be fine with a grey screen at 110":

http://www.projectorreviews.com/mits...00/screens.php

This projector gives very high lumens in calibrated mode.

I'm thinking of going with a 110" high contrast gray screen with this projector. Will check how it works out in the local store first though.
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Hiya,

So 110-100" screen should be fine then slightly gray.
I think you're right though, need to see it in the store.

Just hope they hurry up and get them released soon!

What gray screen were you thinking of going with by the way?


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I can't decide between the HC3800 and the new Vivitek, or the Benq W1000.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/vivi...tor_review.htm
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I will be going somewhere around 110"-120" with my new setup and the 3800. I had used an Elite 92" high contrast grey with my IN72 and had no issues at all with the screen for the money, but no one seems to carry th HC grey in the Elites anymore. Does anyone know where I can find one in theses sizes?

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HAHA, whats up with projector peoples contrast ratio on this unit? They need to fix this quick.



Resolution: HD (1920 x 1080)
Display Type: DLP®; 0.65” DMD
Brightness: 1300 lumens
Contrast: 650:1
Weight: 7.9 lbs.
Warranty: 2 year(s)
Lamp Life: 3000 hours - (all projectors ship with manufacturer supplied lamp)

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Looks like Projector People used the ANSI contrast instead of the On/Off.

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According to Arts review at projectorreviews.com you should be fine with a grey screen at 110":

http://www.projectorreviews.com/mits...00/screens.php

This projector gives very high lumens in calibrated mode.

I'm thinking of going with a 110" high contrast gray screen with this projector. Will check how it works out in the local store first though.

You must dissect his comments carefully:

1. Art's 'very high lumens' was in 'best mode', which is high lamp mode, BC on, etc. High lamp mode will be quite a bit louder, in fact Art mentioned it's fairly noisy, not to mention it shortens lamp life. Also, BC makes things unnatural.

2. Art mentioned he was using a Firehawk G3 high contrast gray screen. This screen has a gain of 1.25 and is something like $2000 depending on size/type. Also, with any screen gain above 1.00, you run the chance of seeing 'sparklies' and reducing viewing angle.

In low lamp, BC off, you're looking at 565 lumens.

With a reasonably priced high contrast gray, like one from htdepot, you're looking at a 0.9 gain screen, which will reduce brightness down.

With a 110" diagonal 0.9 screen and 565 lumens, you'd be ok for movies in a dark room (you should be getting about 15 fL). This is movie theater type brightness. But if you like brighter images (plasma like), and/or you have some ambient light (sports, etc.), then this might be a little low for you. For Sports you might want to kick in high-lamp. It's extra noise may not be much of a factor for sports, etc.
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WOW!!! 650:1 ANSI should really pop a very deep looking image. Cant wait to see some real world reviews and opinions on this unit.

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I can't decide between the HC3800 and the new Vivitek, or the Benq W1000.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/vivi...tor_review.htm

The Vivitek has a 3x color wheel

No one has reviewed the W1000 yet....
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WOW!!! 650:1 ANSI should really pop a very deep looking image. Cant wait to see some real world reviews and opinions on this unit.

Cine4home measure about 500:1 ansi contrast.
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You must dissect his comments carefully:

1. Art's 'very high lumens' was in 'best mode', which is high lamp mode, BC on, etc. High lamp mode will be quite a bit louder, in fact Art mentioned it's fairly noisy, not to mention it shortens lamp life. Also, BC makes things unnatural.

2. Art mentioned he was using a Firehawk G3 high contrast gray screen. This screen has a gain of 1.25 and is something like $2000 depending on size/type. Also, with any screen gain above 1.00, you run the chance of seeing 'sparklies' and reducing viewing angle.

In low lamp, BC off, you're looking at 565 lumens.

With a reasonably priced high contrast gray, like one from htdepot, you're looking at a 0.9 gain screen, which will reduce brightness down.

With a 110" diagonal 0.9 screen and 565 lumens, you'd be ok for movies in a dark room (you should be getting about 15 fL). This is movie theater type brightness. But if you like brighter images (plasma like), and/or you have some ambient light (sports, etc.), then this might be a little low for you. For Sports you might want to kick in high-lamp. It's extra noise may not be much of a factor for sports, etc.

Agreed, propably low lamp mode for cinema and high lamp mode in ambient. It still puts out 750 lumens at 6500K / D65 color temperaturen without BC according to cine4home.
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According to Art's review and testing you get 950 lumens in his best mode of (Lamp=high, Gamma=Cinema, Color Temp=Medium , Brilliant Color=On). His review also said if you reduce the lamp to low you'll get 22% less brightness thus taking the 950 lumens down to 741 lumens. Then if you turn off BC you'll reduce brightness another 25%, bringing lumens down to 503 lumens.

cine4home got 750 lumens without BC so we obviously have two different pre-production HC3800s with different results. My guess is it will be hard to judge until we get a production unit with final settings because Art's and cine4home's seem to give different lumens
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It still puts out 750 lumens at 6500K / D65 color temperaturen without BC according to cine4home.

And that's probably high-lamp mode (about the same #'s Art got with high-lamp), which will be loud.

If you take 22% off it comes out to about the same as Art got in low lamp mode, which is about right.

750 is high-lamp mode.
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cine4home got 750 lumens without BC so we obviously have two different pre-production HC3800s with different results. My guess is it will be hard to judge until we get a production unit with final settings because Art's and cine4home's seem to give different lumens
and contrast.

Well they probably are different units, one is German (different AC pwr, language and PAL land), the other is N. American, NTSC land, etc.

Even so, the difference between cine4home's 750 lumens and the equivalent mode on Art's version (about 726 lumens) is nominal, easily within each other depending on lamp variances, calibrations, rooms, test gear, etc.
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Agreed. It looks like I'll be able to run in low lamp with BC on (I never have it set higher than 2) and still get around 741 lumens. My HC1500 currently(based on Art's review of the HC1500) gives around 900 lumes with the same settings and the HC1500 is VERY bright.

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The Vivitek has a 3x color wheel

No one has reviewed the W1000 yet....

Correcting myself, there are reports from Vivitek that it actually has a 2x color wheel, double>
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2X YIKES. Sounds like rainbow city.

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It appears to be turning out to be brighter than anticipated. A lot of mid level and even high end units are in the sub 600 lumen's and some fall below 400 lumen's once calibrated if this unit produces 700+ lumen's at D65 then it will be very bright and with no white segment in the color wheel its having to achieve that by a better bulb pushing through the 6 segment color wheel and should be very nice with deep rich colors, and needing the slightly raised db in fan noise to cool it further. I don't know the numbers well so someone with more knowledge about upper end DMD Projectors can let us know, but I'm pretty sure this is one of the higher lumen's achieved on a DMD projector "@ D65". I can only recall a few that once calibrated to D65 that were in the 700+ range that were DMD(DLP) based.
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It appears to be turning out to be brighter than anticipated. A lot of mid level and even high end units are in the sub 600 lumen's and some fall below 400 lumen's once calibrated if this unit produces 700+ lumen's at D65 then it will be very bright and with no white segment in the color wheel its having to achieve that by a better bulb pushing through the 6 segment color wheel and should be very nice with deep rich colors, and needing the slightly raised db in fan noise to cool it further.

Well, 'slightly raised db in fan noise' is subjective, but this is what Art said about the noise level>

Audible Noise

The HC3800 is not a quiet projector. In fact, it's a fairly noisy one. That shouldn't surprise many. First, it's a DLP, and they tend to be noisier, than the other technologies. Then, the HC3800 is a smaller projector, as well, making it tough to baffle the fan noise. Based on this pre-production unit, which isn't, by the way, making any strange sounds, I'd put the noise levels to be no more than 30 db, maybe 31 at the outside, and mid-20's in low power. At full power that will be enough to bother those who are noise adverse. For most of us, we'll rarely notice it, and forget about it soon enough (on those quiet scenes).

I dunno about other people, but I can't stand the higher db with high-lamp in my Optoma H31, which is a fairly quiet PJ. Low-lamp is ok with me. I would suspect there is no way I would deal with high-lamp on the HC3800, so I only consider low lamp lumen figures for movie watching.

YMMV.
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I agree and all your points should be something that those here consider before they buy. I will say that my HC3000 on LOW is almost dead silent and on high it is much more tolerable than say a SP7210 on high, as a general rule for how much light you get the Mits HCXXX's did an above average job in keeping the db in an acceptable range. So again if the MC3800 in HIGH mode is no louder than my HC3000 in high I would be very happy(oh course we all want a quieter PJ)and it seems reasonable but this like you said is best analyzed in owners home since it is subjective(how far from your ears). I'd love 750+ D65 Lumen's at 26 db but that isn't going to happen. The white noise from my Mits HC3000 has been fantastic on low(almost inaudible) and nicely fads away once you get use to it in high, kinda like art is describing for the masses. I'll repeat again I'm still not sold on Mits Quality, and good warranty or not it pisses me off If I have to buy bulbs at 1300hrs just past the warranty. My first bulb from the factory with my Mits HC3000 died at 1400 and my current bulb about 500hrs half low/half on high is flickering more than it should and chirping when it strikes indicating a pending "CRACK".


PS I don't know why they don't do the same thing as noise canceling ear phones and put a reverse signal speaker in the exit path of the turbulence to make it inaudible, I'm pretty sure it can be done, and it only increase the price $25 at most.
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But according to Art the HC3800 was producing 950 lumens in "high lamp mode" with the following settings( (Lamp=high, Gamma=Cinema, Color Temp=Medium , Brilliant Color=On). He then said reducing the lamp to "low mode" would also reduce brightness by 22% which would bring the lumens down to 741. 741 lumens in low lamp mode is terrific. If it really gets that kind of lumens on low lamp mode we don't even need to use high.

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But according to Art the HC3800 was producing 950 lumens in "high lamp mode" with the following settings( (Lamp=high, Gamma=Cinema, Color Temp=Medium , Brilliant Color=On). He then said reducing the lamp to "low mode" would also reduce brightness by 22% which would bring the lumens down to 741. 741 lumens in low lamp mode is terrific. If it really gets that kind of lumens on low lamp mode we don't even need to use high.

That's 'cos BC is still 'ON'.

I can't stand BC and most people also leave it off. If you like it, then there's no problem.

I could probably handle BC with something like sports, but I don't really watch sports....
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