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Woww.... Not that I doubt your word, but is there a link that I can read about this low price ?
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Just go to google and type in HC3800. Look down a few and you'll see it advertised for about $40 less than the price quoted earlier by someone.

BTW you can also call a forum sponsor like projectorpeople.com or visualapex.com and ask them if they will match the price. That way we can at least try to support AVS and it's sponsors.

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Nice Warranty. 2 years on pj...1 year/500 hrs on lamp! Now I am ready to spend...been w/o pj for a month since it broke...I'm ready. Need full-blown review.
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mnnc, have you read this review and these comments from CEDIA of a "pre-production" HC3800
http://www.projectorreviews.com/mits...3800/index.php
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ghlight=hc3800

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Indeed I did. I had a IF4805 for about 4 yrs or so. If I remember correctly it had/has a 4x color wheel. I don't see the rainbows and if I do I 'm not aware of it because it's happening quickly. This Mits is promising. Man would I love a full pro review and some real world screen shots of sdvd and hd sources. If I don't like it then I could return for refund and just get the 8100 epson. I sure would like to save some money though with this 3800.
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HC3800 = $1200.00 = 1080P DLP Image Quality/Sharpness = Grade: A/A = I want one.
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...X0DER&v=glance

Just saw this...was not there a day or so ago. No tax or shpng...out the door. I've done quite a bit of biz w/ them...no problems. Or...I could get from other source for $1283 (includes 14$ shpng) out the door. I'm pretty excited about this product. It smokes the 999 units and makes the 1500$ units very nervous....very.
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...X0DER&v=glance

Just saw this...was not there a day or so ago. No tax or shpng...out the door. I've done quite a bit of biz w/ them...no problems. Or...I could get from other source for $1283 (includes 14$ shpng) out the door. I'm pretty excited about this product. It smokes the 999 units and makes the 1500$ units very nervous....very.

For a first PJ this might be nice. I would be coming from a Plasma.

Can anyone tell me if I were to order from PP or VA and I did not like the image and I barely had a few hours on it, if I didnt like the picture - could I return it back and get full refund?

Does anyone know what the penalty would be. Restocking fees, shipping?

Just want to make sure, because if I was not happy with it, I would want to return it and just get credit towards another PJ and buy the other PJ.

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http://www.provantage.com/mitsubishi...0~7MITP0A4.htm

Again maybe the AVS sponsors will price match cause i would rather support them..
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Hey Guys,

I'm thinkink about getting the HC3800 but not sure if it will be good enough for me. Blacks are a big deal for me because I will game on the projector. My current LCD has ok blacks but I decided that my next move must have better blacks. It there a step up that has better blacks? Should I wait a few more months to see what else might come out?

Thanks!
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Guys, remember the forum rules... no price discussion other than MSRP .

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Is Provantage an authorized Mits. dealer?
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Hey Guys,

I'm thinkink about getting the HC3800 but not sure if it will be good enough for me. Blacks are a big deal for me because I will game on the projector. My current LCD has ok blacks but I decided that my next move must have better blacks. It there a step up that has better blacks? Should I wait a few more months to see what else might come out?

Thanks!

For gaming I think autoiris can be really annoying. I will use mine for gaming and are looking for a proj without "lag" and with high contrast/black levels wo autoiris.

Just extrapolating from HC3800 preview data sofar. But don't expect to get better blacks until the Sony HW15. Some of the top Inocus projectors and the JVCs. (without Autoiris on).

It would be interesting to later see HC3800 compared with the pana AE4000 and Epson 8500UB wo autoiris.
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For gaming I think autoiris can be really annoying. I will use mine for gaming and are looking for a proj without "lag" and with high contrast/black levels wo autoiris.

Just extrapolating from HC3800 preview data sofar. But don't expect to get better blacks until the Sony HW15. Some of the top Inocus projectors and the JVCs. (without Autoiris on).

It would be interesting to later see HC3800 compared with the pana AE4000 and Epson 8500UB wo autoiris.


Just the fact you are even comparing those speaks to how good of a bargin the HC3800 is, those projectors are $700+ plus more than the 3800.
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Just the fact you are even comparing those speaks to how good of a bargin the HC3800 is, those projectors are $700+ plus more than the 3800.

Agreed, but the HC3800 is void of nearly all but the necessary features. No AI, no FI, no motorized zoom, no lens shift. The only features they implemented that you usually do not see at this price level are anamorphic lens compatibility and 48Hz 1024p mode. It seems to be just latest DLP version with unusually high quality glass optics.

As previously mentioned I really appreciate this no-nonsense approach and have very high expectations. I have though not seen it yet.
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Is Provantage an authorized Mits. dealer?

Provantage is a very good company, its 10 miles from my house.

I cant find any mits dealers on the internets though. Even the popular ones we use here at avs.

http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....tributors.html

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Agreed, but the HC3800 is void of nearly all but the necessary features. No AI, no FI, no motorized zoom, no lens shift. The only features they implemented that you usually do not see at this price level are anamorphic lens compatibility and 48Hz 1024p mode. It seems to be just latest DLP version with unusually high quality glass optics.

As previously mentioned I really appreciate this no-nonsense approach and have very high expectations. I have though not seen it yet.


Yeah the HC3800 is kinda like a Lamborghini with one seat, no A/c, no power sterring..etc lol
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I dont get these projector companies. What do people do if they have a standard 7.5-8ft ceilings. That puts a 100" screen starting about a foot off the ground. or you get to hold it in your lap to get the image near the ceiling.

Am i just odd and really everyone has vaulted or 10ft ceilings now a days?

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Yeah the HC3800 is kinda like a Lamborghini with one seat, no A/c, no power sterring..etc lol

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You are correct, this PJ has hardly any features. However I think I am going to prefer a PJ without the Dynamic Iris, and FI, because according to reviews I read on other PJ's - I dont think these PJ's are mature with those feature sets anyway. Better FI and Dynamic Iris still needs a lot of work.

My budget for a PJ right now is about $2500, but this Mitsubishi HC3800 looks appealing. Other contender I could look at is Epson 8500.

The main drawback to some with this PJ is the offset and not having lens shift etc.

I have my room on second floor and thus my backwall is almost 9-10 feet high and my front wall where screen will be is almost 8 feet, so I have flexibility in that regard.

If the PQ quality is good which it sounds like it is. I can forego these features as it would just require more precision for placement.

Yes the Dynamic Iris shows better blacks, but based on what I have seen and read in Art's reviews so far - one can easy see when the iris changes on these units and that would bug me.

The only thing that might stop me from getting this PJ is if the blacks are bad and 2) If there is motion blur.


Question:

Thus for those with DLP's out there is motion blur a characteristic of LCD or does DLP also suffer from motion blur? Or... is it not technology spesific?

This HC3800 seems like a great buy, but just wish there were real user reviews on this PJ.

I have just eliminated the PTAE4000 as users are experiencing dust blobs again and thermal issues, and my room although I keep it clean does have more than usual dust due to where I live, so I dont want to take that chance.

I look forward to reviews on this HC3800 - To me if image is great, I can do without the extra bells and whistles and drive that Lamborgini

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i was thinking if its a toyota, i'll buy.
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just the fact you are even comparing those speaks to how good of a bargin the hc3800 is, those projectors are $700+ plus more than the 3800.

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I dont get these projector companies. What do people do if they have a standard 7.5-8ft ceilings. That puts a 100" screen starting about a foot off the ground. or you get to hold it in your lap to get the image near the ceiling.

Am i just odd and really everyone has vaulted or 10ft ceilings now a days?

Well yes, many do have higher ceilings, and/or run screens smaller than 100", and/or don't like the PJ hanging right above our head, needing to 'duck' to avoid hitting it, etc. etc.

For everyone else, the mass Majority of PJ's these days have zero to little offset, so you have plenty to chose from.

For those of us that actually want a PJ with a large offset ('large' for today's PJ's, but pretty much std for PJ's of 5-6 years ago), we basically have only the HC3800 to chose from, nothing else
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I have 8ft ceilings and my room is 9.8ft by 11ft and the hc3800 can give me a nice 87" diagonal with 14.5" offset from the ceiling. (according to official throw calculator) It would be an upgrade from the 83" I get with my actual pj home made.

I'll be using shortest projection distance with max zoom. PJ will be at the 9.8ft side right on top of my head, I don't mind noise. With such a small room, lamp in eco will give me lots of lumens and last longer too.

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Are you sure you're not mistaking resolution for sharpness?

No he's not... a sharp DT-510 is a 720p projector, just like his Planar.

He very clearly pointed out how he was underwhelmed going from 480p to the Sharp DT-510, a 720p projector that was supposed to be a lot sharper, but then he switched to his Planar and it looked much sharper.
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I too have a standard 8' high ceiling and I'm concerned about the offset in the HC3800. I currently own the Optoma HD70 which also has a rather large offset. My Elite screen is approximately 15" down from the ceiling. I had to tilt the projector ever so slightly upward to keep the image from being too low. I have not noticed any effects on the picture quality.

Has anyone else tilted their projector to account for large offsets? I'm hoping the HC3800 will work for me but I'm a little concerned.
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The 3800 offset has me thinking as well. If ceiling mounted...how far below lens center to top of screen. And when I say top of screen I mean the edge where image would be projected...not the border edge but the actual white/gray viewing area.
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I too have a standard 8' high ceiling and I'm concerned about the offset in the HC3800. I currently own the Optoma HD70 which also has a rather large offset. My Elite screen is approximately 15" down from the ceiling. I had to tilt the projector ever so slightly upward to keep the image from being too low. I have not noticed any effects on the picture quality.

Has anyone else tilted their projector to account for large offsets? I'm hoping the HC3800 will work for me but I'm a little concerned.

My old 4805 was tilted just a bit up towards screen/front high...not even enough to cause keystone issues. Maybe a half inch or so higher up front. I could have lowered screen a bit but it was mounted already. Guess I was lazy at the time. Anywho, a slight tilt should not matter.
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The 3800 offset has me thinking as well. If ceiling mounted...how far below lens center to top of screen. And when I say top of screen I mean the edge where image would be projected...not the border edge but the actual white/gray viewing area.

on a 100" screen, middle of lens to white area of the screen is 16.5". So if you can get a 6" (aka the entire mount) pole your looking at 26" down from the ceiling.

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Does anyone actually have this projector yet?
Would be good to get some real user feedback.

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The 3800 offset has me thinking as well. If ceiling mounted...how far below lens center to top of screen. And when I say top of screen I mean the edge where image would be projected...not the border edge but the actual white/gray viewing area.

http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....rs/HC3800.html

Click on the 'resources' tab, download the 'throw distance calculator'
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