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post #6421 of 6460 Old 02-08-2016, 03:40 AM
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Mine's projecting a 144 inch image and I run mine on standard all the time. Another I installed for someone is projecting a 135 inch image and they too are running on standard. Eco mode is too dim for our tastes at those sizes. And even at that, still not bright enough given what TVs are doing these days. Just not ready yet to plop down 2 grand for an upgrade...
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What you guys have experienced is the same for me my HC3800. It just wasn't bright enough anymore. sure new lamps help but in low lamp mode even when new it was OK for BD or DVD, but things like sports it just doesn't have the pop, brightness and clarity of displays today. Sure 6 years ago it was fine, but now it just can't compare. Today's displays are so much sharper, clearer, brighter and display colors that pop so much more due to higher contrast. In high lamp it was brighter, but just too loud for me.

I finally broke down and bought the VPL-HS40ES. The contrast is something like 120,000:1 and it's calibrated true lumen is like 1700 in high and 1300 in low. I think the HC3800 is 25dB in low lamp mode and the 40ES is only 21dB in high lamp mode so it's inaudible 4 ft over my head in low. The 40ES is razor sharp, so clear it disgusting, so bright, and the colors and picture are just so far ahead of the HC3800.

I love the HC3800 and man trust me I hated dropping nearly 2K on a new projector. I had to make that choice we all make at some point. Put another lamp in something that at the time rivaled the best out there for 2k, but after 6 years just didn't impress me anymore due to technology having surpassed it's picture quality or bite the bullet.

I should mention that the HC3800 has features that I really miss like the weight. At just over 6lbs I could take it down and mount it myself, a lamp on the top so you didn't have to take it down to replace it, and no filter to clean every 700 or so hours. The 40ES is 22lbs so it's heavy. I can't mount it alone because it's so large and heavy you just don't want to risk dropping it while mounting it. Also the lamp is on the bottom so again it has to come down and the same for the filter.

I wish Mitsubishi didn't stop making projectors. I think they would have had a killer one at the right price as an HC3880/4000 replacement.

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Yup, according to the wire cutter, you made a good choice! Luckily not many of my friends have projectors to give me envy. 2 have the 1070 and I haven't even seen them.

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If your room’s measurements fit the bill and you want the best picture quality for your home, we heartily recommend the Sony VPL-HW40ES. After testing five leading models in the same price range, our projector guru Geoff Morrison writes that the Sony offers the best combination of performance and price, with lens features that make it easy to install and very low operational noise (which is great if you have a small room and the projector is mounted above your head). He also notes that “The HW40ES is one of the best projectors in its class at color accuracy.” In fact, at its current price, it’s even cheaper than our runner-up pick, the Epson 5030.
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Yeah the 40ES is a real winner, but I do miss the HC3800. Before the HC3800 I had a Sanyo PLV-Z2 and then a Mitsubishi HC1500. I really like the Mitsubishi projectors and DLP with no filter to clean. The HC3800 was just rock solid for 6 years with no signs of quitting. I put three lamps in it and changed the first two around 4000 hours and had 1500 on the last one. So at nearly 10,000 hours it's still going strong with no noise from the color wheel and not a single problem in all those years. Just a great solid projector. When I got it I figured I'd have it 2 years, but 6 years later it's still going strong.

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Yeah the 40ES is a real winner, but I do miss the HC3800. Before the HC3800 I had a Sanyo PLV-Z2 and then a Mitsubishi HC1500. I really like the Mitsubishi projectors and DLP with no filter to clean. The HC3800 was just rock solid for 6 years with no signs of quitting. I put three lamps in it and changed the first two around 4000 hours and had 1500 on the last one. So at nearly 10,000 hours it's still going strong with no noise from the color wheel and not a single problem in all those years. Just a great solid projector. When I got it I figured I'd have it 2 years, but 6 years later it's still going strong.

I have 3,300 hours on my HC3800, and was wondering if I should put my spare bulb in.


When you changed yours at 4000 hours, was there a huge brightness jump?


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I have 3,300 hours on my HC3800, and was wondering if I should put my spare bulb in.


When you changed yours at 4000 hours, was there a huge brightness jump?


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Yes I did notice a big jump in brightness and the colors popped again too. The new lamp did wonders for colors and brightness. The new lamp brought that wow factor back again.

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It's strange, I didn't notice much of a difference in brightness, but I notice the blacks more. Maybe just improved contrast with additional brightness?
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Each time I replaced the lamp I replaced it with a 100% OEM that cost around $300 and noticed the brightness and colors popped right away. Really made me say "wow I had fogotten how good it can look". Was the lamp an OEM lamp? People have purchased non OEM lamps and said the brightness did increase.

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It was an Osram bare bulb, supposedly oem. It took me about an hour to get it into the enclosure. Only time will tell if it is the real deal.
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I won't go into the bulb thing again. Just know that every bulb I have ever purchased said Osram on it, but not every bulb was quality. ONLY the $300 ones were (would work and last everytime).

BUT, I can say, without a doubt, that a new bulb does breed new life into this projector. It makes me love it again. I think it makes the biggest difference when you are asking alot out of it to begin with. The larger the picture the larger / greater EVERYTHING is - good and bad. 144 inches is on the BIG side and really too much to ask of the 3800 these days. But I am done dropping money into a 6 year old projector. It would take $300 to give me that pop and awe that I love and then that would only last for about 1500 hours. Then it gets to dim for my taste. I've been through several lamps and I run it on "standard" and "bright mode" on. So does my buddy with his at 135 inches. Both our theater rooms are blacked out, mine more so with black from floor to ceiling and NO windows. It's just that as TVs get brighter, poppier and punchier so too must the projector. And sadly, the 3800 can no longer keep up.

I too am seriously considering the Sony. It's just hard to park a functioning projector and plop down another 2k. We'll see. I was so expecting to be into an LED or Laser projector by now. The projector field has stalled and narrowed :-( As a matter of fact, I tell anyone now that asks about projectors to NOT go projector if you are NOT going over 100 inches. Otherwise, just buy a TV. So much easier...
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I replaced my original bulb that had 3,300 hours on it with a new one. When re-checking the brightness setting, the result was the same as with the old bulb(4). Does that make sense?


What number are you guys using for contrast?


I have the Spears and Munsil disc and the AVS test patterns, and they don't seem to work properly for contrast. I'm using (-4) for contrast.


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I replaced my original bulb that had 3,300 hours on it with a new one. When re-checking the brightness setting, the result was the same as with the old bulb(4). Does that make sense?


What number are you guys using for contrast?


I have the Spears and Munsil disc and the AVS test patterns, and they don't seem to work properly for contrast. I'm using (-4) for contrast.


Thanks.
No, it doesn't make sense. Contrast is one of the many picture settings that I would expect to change going from a bulb with 3300 hours to a new bulb.

My contrast number settings are useless to you. I've a different setup. Room size, room lighting, room color, throw distance, screen size, screen material, other projector image settings, personal tastes, manufacturing differences, etc. all make MY settings apples and oranges to YOUR settings.

I too have found the calibration disc I used for my TVs (Disney's WOW disc) useless for this projector.

I change my settings all the time. Besides the image changing as the bulb is on and as the bulb ages, there are changes from show to show all the time. I even have to make changes on my TV because of this.

This old and rather obsolete projector just cannot deliver what I want in an image these days...but I keep trying. It's time to upgrade, but I have a hard time retiring a working product, especially when the upgrade is still the old and obsolete replaceable lamp type again - arrrg. LED and LASER have so stalled!

Currently, I am trying to put it in "torch" mode for the brighter image I seek, pushing it beyond its limits. If it breaks I can justify the 2 grand for a new one, but man she just won't give up. lol
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Thanks mp. I don't understand why someone cannot come up with a contrast test pattern that actually works. What am I missing?
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My old buddy the HC3800 just died this weekend after 6 years (almost 7), I got it when it first came out in 2009. I used it everyday as a replacement for the family TV and I had to replace the lamp twice sometimes 3 times a year. 3 Years ago I had to have the color wheel replaced because it started making a grinding noise, but 2 days ago the wheel gave out again and now it makes no sense to repair this again when the price to repair it, is the almost the price of an entry level DLP, LCD projector ($400).

I won't be paying 2K for a new projector because all these years the HC 3800 was only 1300 ANSI brightness and a contrast level of 4000:1 and I was content. You can get a entry level DLP with 3000 ANSI & 25000:1 Contrast anywhere between $600 - $900 which would be more then enough to replace the HC 3800.

I wanted to post this as a memory to a great projector that served me well all these years!
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My old buddy the HC3800 just died this weekend after 6 years (almost 7), I got it when it first came out in 2009. I used it everyday as a replacement for the family TV and I had to replace the lamp twice sometimes 3 times a year. 3 Years ago I had to have the color wheel replaced because it started making a grinding noise, but 2 days ago the wheel gave out again and now it makes no sense to repair this again when the price to repair it, is the almost the price of an entry level DLP, LCD projector ($400).

I won't be paying 2K for a new projector because all these years the HC 3800 was only 1300 ANSI brightness and a contrast level of 4000:1 and I was content. You can get a entry level DLP with 3000 ANSI & 25000:1 Contrast anywhere between $600 - $900 which would be more then enough to replace the HC 3800.

I wanted to post this as a memory to a great projector that served me well all these years!
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Let us know what you get an how you think it compares!
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So I just snagged one of these on Amazon that, supposedly, works fine and has no issues. I had a Optoma PRO360W previously so I'm hoping this is a nice upgrade (despite it not having 3D which I do enjoy).

What's the over all conclusion on reliability? I'm assuming if it's gone this long with no issues I should be looking at a pretty solid projector, no?
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So I just snagged one of these on Amazon that, supposedly, works fine and has no issues. I had a Optoma PRO360W previously so I'm hoping this is a nice upgrade (despite it not having 3D which I do enjoy).

What's the over all conclusion on reliability? I'm assuming if it's gone this long with no issues I should be looking at a pretty solid projector, no?
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I had one of those early ones and they sent me an older sn that had been updated. It was great until the bulb blew last month, but now it is back up and running.

I'm curious, what did you pay for it?
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Update from Post 6403:

I finally found someone that could clean it for me. Turns out you were right very dusty, specially around the color wheel, once clean its running like new. At the moment trying to figure out how to control for all my electronics. Thank you for your reply.
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I had one of those early ones and they sent me an older sn that had been updated. It was great until the bulb blew last month, but now it is back up and running.

I'm curious, what did you pay for it?
What did I pay for it? It's going to piss you off...$200.

And that's with a lamp that only has 400 reported hours on it.

And it apparently has zero issues with no dead pixels or anything.

So yeah, don't have it yet (just bought it last night) so I'll report back once I get it but if all turns out well I think I just got QUITE the steal!
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What did I pay for it? It's going to piss you off...$200.

And that's with a lamp that only has 400 reported hours on it.

And it apparently has zero issues with no dead pixels or anything.

So yeah, don't have it yet (just bought it last night) so I'll report back once I get it but if all turns out well I think I just got QUITE the steal!
Nah, but congratulations to you! Hopefully you have a legitimate # of hours on the bulb and it's a good one.
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It's a vicious cycle. Every TV or projector I have ever purchased was awesome - when I first got it. And then things get bigger, brighter, better and I want it. Just "when" that happens differs for everyone. But I feel it happening to me now. lol

I've had my 3800 since 2009. Actually purchased 2 because a buddy wanted me to instal one for him after he saw mine. I had to do several exchanges with Mitsubishi for the early problems these things were plagued with. But Mits eventually got it all straightened out, for me me at least.

Because it is now imho obsolete I don't treat it with kid gloves anymore. I take it down. Take it out to the garage and blow the dust out with the air compressor. Last time I did this it actually removed a few specs of dust that would show up on an all black image. But be warned, I did this years ago and lodged a dust ball in a place that was a pita to get out.

I think I paid $1300 (extra lamp included) for each of them back in 2009. My buddy is ready for an upgrade as well. He keeps asking me about LED and 4K. Yea, not yet buddy, not yet.

And FWIW, I paid about $2100 for a 70 inch Sony LED TV about 2 years ago. It is awesome and made me retire my old 50 inch plasma. Hence why I now need to upgrade the projector. Vicious cycle
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Nah, but congratulations to you! Hopefully you have a legitimate # of hours on the bulb and it's a good one.
Well I got it today and I didn't receive the 3800...they sent me the 4000. Which, yeah, I'm COMPLETELY fine with. Especially since it uses the DarkChip3 instead of the 2.

Other than that it works fine...no dead pixels and only 409 hours on the lamp.

There is a slight issue in that the right side of the picture is SLIGHTLY dimmer and maybe a tad warmer than the left side but this is only noticeable on super bright screens or just white backgrounds. Certainly nothing that really bothers me but just that one little punch that I knew would happen at some point. I lucked out enough getting a projector like this for $200 so with my luck I knew that everything wasn't going to turn out exactly "perfect".

But yeah, other than that which like I said doesn't really matter, it works fine and looks AWESOME. Seriously, I know this is an older model and that there's much better out there but considering I'm pretty ignorant about projector picture quality (as I've only owned one other) it looks damn good to me...certainly a lot better than the PRO360W it replaced.

So yeah, I think I made out pretty well considering I was looking at getting some cheap XGA or WXGA projector.
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Yay, think my 3800 is on death row.

It started having vertical lines through it the other night. I recall one of the ones I had to return back 2009 had those as well and Mitsubishi said it defective. I will try another lamp and source and make sure she is dying, but fingers are crossed. I could not bare to throw away a working projector, but now....

Here I come Sony with cash in hand! lol
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Yeah the 40ES is a real winner, but I do miss the HC3800. Before the HC3800 I had a Sanyo PLV-Z2 and then a Mitsubishi HC1500. I really like the Mitsubishi projectors and DLP with no filter to clean. The HC3800 was just rock solid for 6 years with no signs of quitting. I put three lamps in it and changed the first two around 4000 hours and had 1500 on the last one. So at nearly 10,000 hours it's still going strong with no noise from the color wheel and not a single problem in all those years. Just a great solid projector. When I got it I figured I'd have it 2 years, but 6 years later it's still going strong.
You really happy with your Sony 40ES? Looks like I am in the market. Do you wish you had purchased a different projector instead?

Think I'm gonna buy from an authorized seller so that I can get the full Sony warranty and then put it on my Amex so I can get the extra 1 year coverage as well. Thoughts?
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The wire cutter recommends the Sony too. They are like the consumer reports of tech and other useful things.

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the...-home-theater/

I had my Hifiman headphones before they recommended it, so they are pretty thorough. I had never heard of them before they made the wall of fame at Inner Fidelity.
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Thanks Gregory. I've been reading the reviews, including wirecutter.

I know Legairre from way back when. Probably from this thread from 2009 with all that researching. Funny thing about less options now is less research. There were so many more options back then. No one would even consider buying a near 2 year old projector to get one of the best. Sad how things have really stalled on projectors.

The 3800 was a great deal at only $1300 for the best in class at the time. I'm not a fan of spending $2000 for another BULBed projector, but what ya gonna do. I am getting excited though. Gonna head over to the 40ES threads and see what's up.

Heads up, my first projector was over $4500 Optoma. Never again. Never gonna spend that much again and NEVER Optoma again. It died (color wheel exploded) like 6 months past the warranty, forever deterring me from that brand at any price.
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Yeah, that appears to be the fate of my old optoma that a friend bought. Moving parts and bulbs are not your friend. That was only $1,000 though, maybe less.

The problem with the sony is now I have the upgrade bug, but don't want to pay that much...
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