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post #91 of 6368 Old 09-05-2009, 10:14 AM
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Yeah, my current projector has three HDMI's but of course I only use the one.

As for the HC3800, it looks pretty sweet. Simply amazing how technology continues to march on and prices keep coming down.
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Coming from a Mitsubishi 720p HC1500 with a 35% offset, the 29% offset of the HC3800 is welcomed(for me that is), because with my 7' 3" basement ceiling I can now go with a larger screen. Also the HC3800's 4000:1 on/off contrast vs. the HC1500's 2500:1 on/off. A 5000 hr lamp life in eco mode, lamp warrenty, throw distance, 25dB fan(same as HC1500) and 1080p.

As for the single HDMI input, my receiver doer all the switching so one is all I need.

If this thing looks as good as it sounds I'll be replacing my HC1500 this year. The HC1500 is very impressive, but to move up for this price will be hard to resist. I'd like to see how it compares to other 1080p projectors not just budget ones.

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The HC3800 definitely sounds like it will be a worthy successor to the HC3000 and at an even better price. I do wish they had included a manual iris of some sort for those that are willing to give up some lumens for better black levels, but at $1500 I guess we can't expect it to have everything.
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Art just posted his comments in one of his blogs: http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...hday/#more-441. He has an engineering model which he has to send back so they can show it at CEDIA.

It's MAP < $1500 = Maximum Advertised Price, the street price should be lower. Also, with a native CR of 4000:1, that beats most PJ available currently. Don't confuse native CR with maximum On/Off CR. They are 2 different animals. On the other hand, if it doesn't have a DI, then the native and On/Off CR will be the same.

According to Art, it should be better than my HC5500 (LCD), and that has an advertised On/Off CR of 14,000:1. The HC3800 replaces the HC5500, and likely the HC1500/1600 (which are 720p models) as well.

We really will have to wait until the reviews are out (and some AVS members get them in hand - sometime in October).

NOTE: The Optoma HD20 has noticable RBE, according to Art.

Also note that the new HC6800 replaces their HC6500, both LCD PJs. Rumors have it that the HC6800 has better black levels than the HC6500 did. However, the new Epson 8500UB has significantly better black levels than this years 6500UB (which was the black level king-of-the-hill).

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Art just posted his comments in one of his blogs: http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...hday/#more-441. He has an engineering model which he has to send back so they can show it at CEDIA.

It's MAP < $1500 = Maximum Advertised Price, the street price should be lower. Also, with a native CR of 4000:1, that beats most PJ available currently. Don't confuse native CR with maximum On/Off CR. They are 2 different animals. On the other hand, if it doesn't have a DI, then the native and On/Off CR will be the same.

According to Art, it should be better than my HC5500 (LCD), and that has an advertised On/Off CR of 14,000:1. The HC3800 replaces the HC5500, and likely the HC1500/1600 (which are 720p models) as well.

We really will have to wait until the reviews are out (and some AVS members get them in hand - sometime in October).

NOTE: The Optoma HD20 has noticable RBE, according to Art.

Yeah, that was noted in the HD20 thread...


Looking forward to preordering the HC3800.

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Back to the Projector Central review, nice to see that it has a short throw, but the offset is a little big, not so huge as the X10 but may cause some people placement issues...

I actually like big offsets. I don't have low ceilings and I don't like peoples heads running into the projector.

The HC3800 doesn't really have a big offset...it would be considered average for a projector from some years ago, yet today it seems that anything beyond 0-offset gets a beatdown here....
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Also, with a native CR of 4000:1, that beats most PJ available currently.

Well, no one has measured it yet, it's just Mitsubishi's claim. I really doubt it can pull off 4000:1 on/off native. If it does, then it would be a Spectacular projector, competing with DLP units many many times it's cost.
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0-offset without (vertical) lens shift? How to place PJ?

According to Cine4Home CR is 3300:1 (on/off) "ohne iris", what's means without iris. Something not clear, infact the iris is fixed...

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According to Cine4Home CR is 3300:1 (on/off) "ohne iris", what's means without iris. Something not clear, infact the iris is fixed...

Those appear to be mitsubishi's specs again. But interesting that the german version of specs lists the on/off as 3300:1. Maybe Mits is trying to be a little more realistic over there

Cine4Home is just saying this PJ doesn't have an iris.

I wish it would have a manual iris though.....
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Maybe C4H saying "contrast without adaptive iris"?
Mitz site says: "A fixed iris delivers 1300lm of brightness and 4000:1 native contrast for amazing brightness and contrast".

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0-offset without (vertical) lens shift? How to place PJ?

Either mount the projector really low(ouch I hit my head again) or mount the screen really high(darn my neck hurts every time I watch a movie)

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I would LOVE a zero offset projector. My ceiling is 6'8" tall.
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Thanks. That will be my new projector to replace the old Mit. HC3100. My only concern now is the 4x speed colorwheel, in which I saw the RBE on my current unit(I select 5x now) as well as the Optoma HD20.



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According to Cine4Home that screen size and distance will be good.

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I would LOVE a zero offset projector. My ceiling is 6'8" tall.

Jim, I can't argue with you. Mine is 7' 3" and I can get away with a 35% drop, but with 6' 8" ceiling a 0% offset projector would be perfect for you.

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Jim, I can't argue with you. Mine is 7' 3" and I can get away with a 35% drop, but with 6' 8" ceiling a 0% offset projector would be perfect for you.

Mine is 8'4", I like large offsets
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I actually like big offsets. I don't have low ceilings and I don't like peoples heads running into the projector.

The HC3800 doesn't really have a big offset...it would be considered average for a projector from some years ago, yet today it seems that anything beyond 0-offset gets a beatdown here....

lol.... yeah, the problem of no lens shift is that you can't possibly make everyone happy...

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lol.... yeah, the problem of no lens shift is that you can't possibly make everyone happy...

The problem is that on the lens-shift PJ's, most of the shifting is within the screen area, they really can't shift much (if any) offset in. So most of the current lens-shift PJ's, with 0-offset, would hang like a piƱata from my ceiling, knocking out any tall person who happens to stand up under it
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fleaman -- And any PJ with a negative offset gets the light-path blocked by the stuff on our coffee table. So what works for you doesn't work for me. That's exactly why lens shift is so important. It's also why low cost DLPs don't work for me. The only under $3K DLP has too long a throw distance, but, fortunately, I'm happy with my Mitsubishi HC5500 LCD PJ, with lens shift and a relatively short throw.

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Ugh... was real close to pulling the trigger on an HD20 and then this was posted...

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...or-first-look/

Now I'm thinking the Mitsu... late October is a loooong time to wait.
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After reading Art's first look, I think this is fast becoming my next projector. Unless the Vivatek or BenQ budget pj's really hit it out of the park, the Mits has my vote as of now.

Looks like my HD1000U all grown up and 1080p-ish.
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I'm a little disappointed that there isn't an iris. I was hoping for a manual iris at the very least.
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I'm a little disappointed that there isn't an iris. I was hoping for a manual iris at the very least.

Yes that is a bit disappointing. But I'm still very excited about this projector, may finally make me jump and get one. I like Mitsubishi in general, and I trust their build quality.

Since it is a fairly bright projector, I would think a ND filter could be used to bring black levels down even further, no?
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True, an ND2 filter could do the job but the beauty of a manual iris really shines through as a bulb breaks in. If the picture gets to be too dim you can just move up a step on the iris. I guess I've been spoiled by my VP4001.
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Its also of note that the HC3800(if it does) gets 1300Lm with out a white segment in the wheel. This set up should have a very nice 3D depth if the D65 adjusted brightness is above average. My Mit HC3000 was sickly green out of the box but once calibrated still threw a very bright image in high mode, if the HC3800 is even brighter than my HC3000(also a - r,g,b,r,g,b color wheel rated at 1000Lm at 4000 on/off contrast) then its a 1080P version that has a better bulb and is brighter, it should produce a knock image for the money.
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I'm watching this PJ really close, sounds very interesting .

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True, an ND2 filter could do the job but the beauty of a manual iris really shines through as a bulb breaks in. If the picture gets to be too dim you can just move up a step on the iris. I guess I've been spoiled by my VP4001.

What are the other pros/cons to a ND2 vs a manual iris?

I've read that ansi contrast suffers a little with the iris stepped down (closed), as opposed to open (at least 1 or 2 tested projectors, dunno if this normal?). How does a ND2 affect on/off and ansi contrast?

Maybe Jason knows the answer to this one?
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It's my understanding that an ND2 will not alter on/off and only has a very slight cut to ANSI (at least with a good quality filter). I have only used an ND2 (hoya) once with a 4805 and ANSI was not measured with/without.

Too bad this one is not coming with the manual Iris like the HC3000/3100, it sounds like it certainly has the lumen output to put one to good use and still be plenty bright for most users.

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Yeah, no manual iris is a big bummer, what were they thinking? Must be the same person who decided to not bring the HC3100 to N. America

Thanks for the answer Jason.
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ProjectorCentral just got a brief look at the HC3800, seems like an interesting choice between spending a little more than the Optoma HD20 for increased performance.

I'd pay more just for Mitsubishi's stellar customer support and 2 year warranty. When my HC3000U died under warranty, they had to replace the main board and color board, and had it back to me within 5 days. The guy I talked to in California actually had in-depth knowledge of my projector, and was even up on the goings on with projectors not being brought to this market. I have rarely experienced such good and knowledgeable customer service.

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I am nowhere NEAR as technical as you guys, but (according to specs) do you think I'd have to mess with my current mounting position on my HD1000U if I upgraded to the HC3800?

And man do I hope the HC3800 is quieter, because my HD1000U is LOUD as all hell.


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