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You two are a little bit behind; that was their activity up 'til last week: making sure users weren't strapped with possibly defective merchandise until good shipments came in (which is very admirable). According to the following P2 internal memo (happily forwarded by my sales rep.), they are good to go.

"Update, NO MORE QC REQUIRED for the HC3800 units! We have received the updated product shipment so the units we have and will be shipping as of now are all the most current available. The remaining unit for the first batch will be returned to Mitsubishi."

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You two are a little bit behind; that was their activity up 'til last week: making sure users weren't strapped with possibly defective merchandise until good shipments came in (which is very admirable). According to the following P2 internal memo (happily forwarded by my sales rep.), they are good to go.

"Update, NO MORE QC REQUIRED for the HC3800 units! We have received the updated product shipment so the units we have and will be shipping as of now are all the most current available. The remaining unit for the first batch will be returned to Mitsubishi."

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Thanks, glad to hear that's no their "current" policy. In Vct1964's, from earlier today he wrote that he just spoke to PP and they told him they are checking each unit, so someone at PP needs to be told to stop telling people they are still checking units.

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Great. Now we just need to get Mits. to drop the price.
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Got mine appreciably below the current sale price.
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Has anyone compared the hdmi to the component picture? I have an older av receiver I don't want to replace that doesn't do hdmi...
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How is the Panny's shadow detail in those dark scenes compared to the Mits? Does the panny's DI crush blacks/shadows when it clamps down in dark scenes?

I find the shadow details a bit more defined with the HC3800, but with the blacker blacks on the PT-AE4000U you get some nice pictures on dark scenes.
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Thanks, glad to hear that's no their "current" policy. In Vct1964's, from earlier today he wrote that he just spoke to PP and they told him they are checking each unit, so someone at PP needs to be told to stop telling people they are still checking units.

After reading Airceej's post, I called PP and they did indeed confirm that they have the new ones and all the old ones have been sent back to Mitsu. Sorry but the earlier post was not meant to slam PP .... they have been nice for the most part.
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Vct1964, thanks for the update. You were just reporting what you were told. Glad to hear they gave you the correct info when you called back.

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I find the shadow details a bit more defined with the HC3800, but with the blacker blacks on the PT-AE4000U you get some nice pictures on dark scenes.

I plan on using a negative gain gray screen to help lower the black levels....since Mits didn't fit it with a manual iris.

Unless you're gonna run a very large screen, people should consider a negative gain gray screen with the HC3800, it has lumens to spare for the task.
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Last week I returned my HC3800 (serial # 13xx, FW v1.0) to Provantage for a refund. The reasons were, of course, the spontaneous shutdowns, but also chromatic aberration and uneven focus. Let's see how long it will take them to credit the refund back to my card.

I'm glad to see that good units with new firmware are starting to ship. Apparently the shutdown problem has been solved. I may give it another try and order a new one in a few weeks.
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Two weeks ago I could not resist and spontaneously purchased an Epson 8100 when I saw an incredible deal at my local BB. I've never had an LCD projector before, so I thought I'd give it a try. I was told that I have till Jan 31 (no lamp hour limit) to return it!

Comparing the Epson 8100 to the Mitsubishi HC3800, my findings so far pretty much confirm Art's reviews of both units:

- Mitsubishi is slightly brighter in movie optimized mode, and the image looks slightly better, but it is hard to describe why. Probably it has higher ANSI contrast. However, the differences are so minimal that I would be happy with either unit.
- Colors and blacks are about the same in both machines. The dynamic iris of the Epson is well implemented (very unobtrusive) but it only helps with blacks when the image is almost completely dark, which is rarely the case.
- Epson has much better placement flexibility and is much easier to install due to horizontal and vertical lens shift. In my setup (8' ceiling, 135" screen), the Mitsubishi needs to be tilted by 3~7 degrees, and requires keystone correction or other "tricks" like letting parts of the image spill onto the black border around the screen.
- Epson is much brighter with still acceptable color in Dynamic and Living Room modes.
- Epson has no rainbow effect, no pixel noise from flipping mirrors in dark areas (LCD vs. DLP).
- The Epson is much quieter than the Mitsubishi (larger case, quieter fan, no color wheel).
- Epson switches faster between different resolutions over HDMI (less fickering, no color wheel speed change required when switching between 24p and 60p)
- Epson has better remote (better layout, better range)
- Epson has better user interface (menus, memory slots for user settings)
- Epson has better build quality, but is also much larger and heavier.
- Epson has slightly better warranty.

The one big problem I am experiencing with the Epson is a misalignment of the 3 LCD panels. See my post in the Epson 8100 owners thread for details and pictures. By design, this problem cannot occur with single DLP machines like the HC3800, and makes me consider switching back to the HC3800. However, the HC3800 I returned last week had some pretty strong chromatic aberration and uneven focus. This had a similar effect on the image and was almost as strong as the panel misalignment in my current Epson 8100.
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I just returned a HC3800 that had some pretty strong chromatic aberration and uneven focus. This had a similar effect on the image and was almost as strong as the LCD panel misalignment in my current Epson 8100. See my post in the Epson 8100 owners thread for details and pictures.

My question for all of you with new (firmware 3.0) HC3800s:
Do you see any chromatic aberration or uneven focus?

I made two test patterns and posted them in the Epson 8100 owners thread.

Can someone please display these patterns on a HC3800 and post some closeup pictures of the corners and center of the projected image?

This would be very useful to see if your units are better than the one I just returned, and it would allow a better comparison of the Mitsubishi HC3800 and the Epson 8100. (Unfortunately I returned the Mitsubishi before I made the test patterns.)

Thanks!
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Has anyone compared the hdmi to the component picture? I have an older av receiver I don't want to replace that doesn't do hdmi...

Your receiver doesn't have to have HDMI. What will you hook up to projector?
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If possible, could anyone inform me about HC3800's box dimensions and box's weight? It's needed to get a shipping quote from DHL. Thank you.
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Package dimension
15.9” x 13.7” x 9.8”
Package weight
12.1lbs
From Mits HC3800 Product Overview. I hope so, that is no CTRL+C/V error.

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Thank you wiatrak.
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Hey guys, I finally should be receiving my HC3800 next week. It's my first projector, and I also need a screen. Now here's the question: should I go White or Gray with this PJ? My viewing room does have lightly colored walls and ceilings with a screen size of 100", but I won't really have to deal with ambient light. Art Feierman recommends a gray screen in his review, but I'm trying to avoid running into conclusions here if he is making this recommendation based on his Stewark Firehawk which I assume is alltogether different from the cheaper gray screens. Besides, he's using the PJ with Brilliant Color on which most of people here seem to pass on. What I'm worried about is the darkening of the white end when viewed in a fully darkened room. Do you think that's worth the better blacks in my case?
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@civcivx

http://www.frostlineinc.com/av-produ...0-OVERVIEW.pdf

But I suggest you to check another source, some owner of HC-3800 f.e....

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http://www.frostlineinc.com/av-produ...0-OVERVIEW.pdf

But I suggest you to check another source, some owner of HC-3800 f.e....

They certainly got the following bit wrong:
" Convenient Power zoom/focus and lens shift"
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And "0.74" 3-DLP® (with Micro Lens)"... Don't trust in everything what's in the specs, these days...

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Your receiver doesn't have to have HDMI. What will you hook up to projector?

Right now I hook up my receiver to my projector using component cables. I figured I would go directly from a Blu Ray player to the projector using hdmi and would continue to have my Hi Def dvr switched through the receiver`s component cables since the 3800 only has 1 hdmi input.
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Speculation, but... Honestly the HD65, HD70, HD1000, HC1500 should seem like toys compared to the HC3800 and I would guess that the image quality advantage of the HC3800 should be very obvious.

Jason

Has anyone compared it to the HC3000?
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great. Now we just need to get mits. To drop the price.

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He could be correct but take what Vct1964 said about PP with a grain of salt. He only has 3 posts.

It will only take you a phone call to PP to confirm if that is true. Don't base your buying decision based on a person with only 3 posts.


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Exactly, I like PP and have bought from them in the past, but to test the 3800 before shipping is crazy. Why in the world would I buy a projector that a dealer already put hours on, probably reset the lamp counter, and re-packaged it to sell it as new? Due to my last two projectors coming from PP I was going to buy from them, but not now.

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Can any of you recommend a B&M store to buy the HC3800 in the Souther California area around Orange County?
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Could this be merely an optical illusion because of uncalibrated RGB gamma? i.e. the white balance shifts based on brightness:

No, because what he has is not a uniform gray balance, it's different from left to right side of the screen. i.e., you don't see any blues in the left side whites.
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One of PP's representatives sent this to me in an email message a few days ago.

"Mitsubishi has resolved the issue and shipped us new units, so
the current stock is fine (the old stock is being shipped back as I type
this)."
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Hi Gorkon,

I see from your back posts that you bought the projector from Provantage and then returnted it. How hard was it to return the projector to them? How many hours did you put on the lamp? I want to be easily return the unit if I notice problems with the image quality like you did with your unit. PP only accepts returns if there are less than 10 hours on the lamp. I don't think that is sufficient time to notice all the problems with the unit.

Thanks!
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Right now I hook up my receiver to my projector using component cables. I figured I would go directly from a Blu Ray player to the projector using hdmi and would continue to have my Hi Def dvr switched through the receiver`s component cables since the 3800 only has 1 hdmi input.

A good quality HDMI switch like the Oppo one will let you connect three HDMI devices to the projector with no deterioration of signal. Just connect all your HDMI devices to the switch and the switch to the projector HDMI. It works very nicely.
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Hate to say this, but I've got bad news to report. I received my HC3800 three days ago. I immediately checked the firmware and determined that it was 3.0. I've had no shutdown problem with the unit -- until tonight.

I was watching the Blu-ray of SEVENTH VOYAGE OF SINBAD and decided to frame advance through one of the animation scenes (something I've grown very accustomed to doing). About two minutes into the frame advance, the unit shut down. I had been watching about a dozen Blu-rays and DVDs at both 60hz and 48hz without a problem.

This is very discouraging news as I was very happy with the performance of this projector until now (and posted a very positive review on Amazon earlier today).

I did the frame advance, both forward and reverse, using a PS3. Are there any others willing to see if they encounter the same problem?
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