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post #271 of 682 Old 02-10-2010, 02:16 PM
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Does anyone knows what's the best projection material on ebay for this projector, they all say they have the best fabric on ebay, so I don't know which one is good or bad, anybody have an idea what gain scale produces the best picture for a dark living room for this type of projector.

In best mode the HW15 is fairly bright. Plenty bright for my (rated) 1.4 gain 118" diagonal 16x9 white screen without any ambient light. Based on screen size and light concerns you might want a little more gain and or go grey to better handle and reject ambient light.
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>I currently own a Mitsubishi HC3100 DLP projector and I am currently >considering buying the HW15.

I upgraded from the Mitsubishi HC3000 which is very similar to the HC 3100. The benefits for me are:

much quieter
higher resolution (obviously)
horizontal and vertical lens shift
more generous zoom range
better black levels (even my wife noticed)
better colors
less digital noise
better color accuracy "out of the box"
no pixelation (which I saw from my viewing distance on the HC3000)
no rainbows (wasn't a issue for me anyway)

I think it's a very good projector and you won't be disappointed. I wish it had 3D and frame interpolation but you can't have everything. Because it is a 3 chip projector, it won't be quite as sharp as a single chip DLP with a good lens like the Mitsubishi. However, my unit has excellent convergence and you will obviously have more image detail when playing 1080p source material than you would on a 768p projector.

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I think that the HC3000 is a Darkchip2 beamer whereas the HC3100 is a DarkChip3. This should make it a significantly better projector in term of color rendering and black level... So I remain unsure about the improvement one should expect moving from the HC3100 to the HW15...

I do not think that the difference in sharpness between the HC3000 HC3100 would be significant though. Hence one more question to John: do you find the HW15 any sharper than the HC3000?
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Hey guys, i did not read through this entire thread but Home Theater magazine just published one of its very throrough front projectors comparison reviews, this time comparing the Sony VPL-HW15 to the Epson 9500B and to a Mitsubishi unit.
Interesting reading, if you're into comparing front projectors reviewed by using the same test methodology : same screen used for the past 10 years (80" width, 1.3 gain), same room with similar lighting conditions, full-on/full-off contrast ratio w/without dynamic irises, gray-scale tracking, color gamut charts, black level detail, video processing, pixel alignment, chromatic aberration, onscreen "shading", etc, etc, etc...
The reviewer preffered the Sony slightly above the Epson unit, whereas he found a disappointing flaw with the Mitsubishi pj...
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Any link ? Thanks.


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Hey guys, i did not read through this entire thread but Home Theater magazine just published one of its very throrough front projectors comparison reviews, this time comparing the Sony VPL-HW15 to the Epson 9500B and to a Mitsubishi unit.
Interesting reading, if you're into comparing front projectors reviewed by using the same test methodology : same screen used for the past 10 years (80" width, 1.3 gain), same room with similar lighting conditions, full-on/full-off contrast ratio w/without dynamic irises, gray-scale tracking, color gamut charts, black level detail, video processing, pixel alignment, chromatic aberration, onscreen "shading", etc, etc, etc...
The reviewer preffered the Sony slightly above the Epson unit, whereas he found a disappointing flaw with the Mitsubishi pj...
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Rather than repeating my comment on HW15 again, I have to say the current crop of 1080P BenQ, Epson, Panny n Sony units are a cut above HC3100 in every way possble, except Mit. 3800 which I think is a disappointment after watching.

Then, you can move on to the next step .... which one of the 4 brand you want to get. This is the thing you have to do it yourself by inspecting them one by one. I got the Sony which I think have the best picture n dollar value.




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I currently own a Mitsubishi HC3100 DLP projector and I am currently considering buying the HW15.

I saw that ac388 also migrate from an HC3100:

How these two projectors compare?

Do the sharpness of the HW15 better than the mits?

How about its black level, and its brightness?

Are the colors any better?

Should I buy it???


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Any link ? Thanks.

It is the March 2010 Issue of Home Theater - See the Front Cover Here

They usually post the March Issue online AFTER the April Issue is released.
So no link for at least a MONTH.
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I think that the HC3000 is a Darkchip2 beamer whereas the HC3100 is a DarkChip3. This should make it a significantly better projector in term of color rendering and black level... So I remain unsure about the improvement one should expect moving from the HC3100 to the HW15...

I do not think that the difference in sharpness between the HC3000 HC3100 would be significant though. Hence one more question to John: do you find the HW15 any sharper than the HC3000?

On projector central, the HC3100's contrast is rated at 4500:1, the HC3000 as 4000:1 contrast, so I guess they are fairly similar (but maybe not)

In terms of sharpness, the mitsubishi will have better-defined pixels. However, if you are playing 1080p material, the picture will have more detail on the Sony. To me, being able to see the fine details of the picture means that it is sharp.

By the way, I had to mount the Sony significantly lower than the Mitsubishi. I ended up putting it on a rear shelf rather then ceiling mounting it. It's also much bigger than the Mitsubishi.

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Thanks for the cover. Will see if they sell this issue here in HK.

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It is the March 2010 Issue of Home Theater - See the Front Cover Here

They usually post the March Issue online AFTER the April Issue is released.
So no link for at least a MONTH.


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Thanks for the cover. Will see if they sell this issue here in HK.

I thought the cover would help you find it.

It was a great review of the VPL-HW15 - I just read it a 2nd time tonight.

I'll do you a FAVOR and Send it to you on FRIDAY after I scan it.
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Thanks for your FAVOR n looking forward to it.

As I just went out for lunch a moment ago, I cannot find this magazine in any bookstore or newstand near my office.

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I thought the cover would help you find it.

It was a great review of the VPL-HW15 - I just read it a 2nd time tonight.

I'll do you a FAVOR and Send it to you on FRIDAY after I scan it.


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I wish it was Clearer - But I'm sure it is readable.

I had to compress the file size as much as possible to post it here.

ENJOY

 

HTSonyHW15.pdf 420.09375k . file
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Thanks for the review n makes all the HW15 owners feel that much better.

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Is anyone using the HW15 with a PC? I'm having some difficulty getting that to work. I previously had been using an Optoma HD80 over DVI with my HTPC, but the HW15 doesn't have DVI. Since DVI and HDMI are supposed to be signal compatible, I got a DVI -> HDMI adapter (and then had to use one of monoprice's handy little 6" HDMI extender cables to actually connect to the HW15 due to the size of the adapter), but the PC doesn't seem to see the HW15 as a display device.

My current setup:

PC (Win XP, may upgrade to Vista (just b/c I have a copy available) or 7)
GPU = nvidia GT6600, DVI out
Cable = monoprice 35' dual link DVI + DVI->HDMI adapter + 6" HDMI extender

I also tried connecting a DVI-HDMI cable to the PC and connecting it to my AVR (Onkyo TX-NR905) but that didn't work either.

Any suggestions? Would a video card with an HDMI output help?
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Any suggestions? Would a video card with an HDMI output help?

I presume you aren't getting any image? Perhaps the HW15 requires HDCP to be active?
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I posted these in another thread however I'm wondering does this convergence look fairly typical? I have looked at a few other HW15s and it's as good or better than the others. The rest of the image matches the area pictured and it's without any pixel adjustment.







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question on how noisy is the picture ,just seen a jvc 350 and the picture was alot noisier the my crt g70
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I presume you aren't getting any image? Perhaps the HW15 requires HDCP to be active?

That's possible, the 6600GT doesn't have HDCP if IIRC. But I'd think you'd see a message to that effect. You might also have too many extenders in the signal path. Try taking the HDMI extender off and see if that triggers it.
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Looking in the nvidia control panel, the HW15 doesn't even show up, so it seems like that might indicate it's more than just an HDCP issue. I'm not sure of that, though. The 6600GT is several generations old at this point so I wouldn't mind replacing it, I'm just not sure that's the problem. The HDMI extender might be tougher to get rid of, the 2 HDMI inputs on the HW15 are fairly close and using the extender was the only way I could connect to that input. (Unless I pull out the main HDMI cable which comes from my AVR.)

Should be able to play with it this weekend some more, and try without the HDMI extender cable at least temporarily.
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Charles R, I saw those shots in the LG CF181D thread, which was an interesting comparison. My HW15's convergence wasn't quite as spot on as that when I brought up the panel alignment pattern and looked at the screen from a foot away. It wasn't off by much, but I did end up adjusting R by 4 and B by 8. (Maybe half a pixel at most for B.) I want to think it gave me a tiny bit sharper picture, but I don't know that it's actually a noticeable adjustment for normal video.
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It wasn't off by much, but I did end up adjusting R by 4 and B by 8. (Maybe half a pixel at most for B.) I want to think it gave me a tiny bit sharper picture, but I don't know that it's actually a noticeable adjustment for normal video.

I have played with the panel alignment on three units and so far I haven't been able to improve upon the factory settings. I will admit I haven't spend a lot of time trying but on each occasion if I improved one area I ended up hurting another area (often making a larger area worse). I'm some what convinced Sony adjusts the alignment at the factory and resets the values to zero... although I could be completely wrong.
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Looking to replace Sony HS-20 - between this and Epson 8500. Can anyone give thoughts on brightness, sharpness? Projecting from 15' onto 110" Grayhawk.
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Looking to replace Sony HS-20 - between this and Epson 8500. Can anyone give thoughts on brightness, sharpness? Projecting from 15' onto 110" Grayhawk.

Before I upgraded my screen (a little larger) I A/Bed them using the dual output of my receiver with 110" diagonal images. Quickly going back and forth with typical viewing material it was very hard to tell any differences. If I really studied them the 8500UB looked a little more contrasty and the HW15 a little smoother. Detail was identical although of lot of people feel the somewhat visible pixel structure appear a little sharper.

I didn't spend a lot of time viewing the 8500UB but my previous projector was a 1080p DLP which probably has even more ANSI contrast or pop and I prefer the smooth look of the HW15. Now I sit fairly close which probably plays into my preference. Brightness wise I didn't compare to any degree but if I remember correctly both set to relatively best image settings the 8500UB was slightly brighter... not to any large degree.
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I still trying to figure out if the VPL-HW15 uses 120 hz. panels. Does it indeed? Is the absence of FI really a big issue for movies? Will it properly do 1080/24, repeating frames? At what rate? Thanks.
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I still trying to figure out if the VPL-HW15 uses 120 hz. panels. Does it indeed? Is the absence of FI really a big issue for movies? Will it properly do 1080/24, repeating frames? At what rate? Thanks.

Definitely not 120Hz. According to a few reports...

"Like all Sony 1080P SXRD Front Projectors the VPL-HW15 will handle 1080p/24 signals just like a movie projector and flash the image on the screen at multiplies of the original frame rate. This model uses the 96HZ 4:4 pulldown method for 1080p/24 signals."

According to Sony...

"24p True CinemaTM 24p True Cinema technology provides a direct connection to 24p video sources so you can avoid conversions and enjoy films at their intended 24 fps (frames per second)."
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Thanks for the reply - just pulled the trigger on one today.

QUESTION: Will my current Peerless mount be able to securely hold the HW15? I assume I used the same plate as the HS20 and spacers with 16mm M5 bolts?

Thanks.
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I have read quite a bit already (thanx for all the sharing!) but one thing I have not seen yet. How do you change the settings for Bias and Gain for the VPLHW15?

I have tried the menu but cannot find it, any suggestions?
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I have read quite a bit already (thanx for all the sharing!) but one thing I have not seen yet. How do you change the settings for Bias and Gain for the VPLHW15?

Under Picture Menu - Color Temp. select Custom (1-4) then enter the Bias and Gain settings.
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My Sony dealer reports that a new "price" for the HW-15 is forthcoming. Any word on this change and what to expect?

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My Sony dealer reports that a new "price" for the HW-15 is forthcoming. Any word on this change and what to expect?

Ah, and I was set to buy one this week. I wonder if the price change is likely to be a higher price instead of lower...

And are there are any price changes coming to the VW85?
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