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Boy that info messes up me for planing on getting the High Power from Da-Lite.

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Dead center is best as you would be using the center of the lens. The further you go out (using lens shift) the greater the chance of convergence issues. Now whether they will be noticeable or not who knows however why take the chance.

the point is moving the pj four inches to have the unit centered in the room isn't a big deal, if that's the look you want for your installation.
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Just got home from work. Very dismayed to learn my PJ probably won't arrive on the Monday the 14th.

Jason my charge went through.

I sent you an email, I know you check in here, not sure about how often you check work email on weekend.

Please explain this:
Exception Reason:THE SHIPPER HAS REQUESTED A DELIVERY INTERCEPT FOR THIS PACKAGE
Exception Status/Resolution: RETURN TO SENDER PENDING (RESOLUTION)

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Send him an email direct: jason@avscience.com

He'll look after you! If I had to guess, I would say there was some obvious damage to the item during shipping. Either that or they can't find your address.

Got a response. It seems two were shipped instead of one, LOL. Must wait for until Monday for the tracking # though, and hopefully it arrives Monday too.The 8500ub will my very 1st PJ
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Ok this is my 1st attempt at posting a screenshot hope it turns out ok
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Word of caution regarding screens for the 8500UB: We’ve been enjoying our Epson TW100 720P projector paired with a Da-Lite Video Spectra (1.5 gain) screen for the past seven years. I decided to upgrade to the 8500 a few weeks ago and our new projector was delivered late Thursday. My first reaction was “Wow, what a great picture.” The colors just seemed to pop off the screen but then I noticed what I’ll describe as thin gray vertical lines all across the screen.

Yesterday I worked to eliminate the lines with projector settings, different cables and connections to no avail. I called Epson support and they had me try a few things as well. They decided the projector was faulty and arranged to overnight a replacement unit immediately – what a great company!

Late yesterday, our engineer son came for a visit. He asked a simple question: “Could it be the screen?” I grabbed a piece of white mat board and held it up – what a difference! The lines were gone and the picture was crisper than before. I called Epson and canceled the replacement and am now in the market for new screen material.

I can only surmise that a screen with 1.5 gain is too much for this projector – even in its lowest lumen setting.

I'm using a Da-lite Hi -Power (2.8 gain) with the 7500UB in Vivid mode with external filters (very,very bright) with no problems. It may be the type of material causing the problem, but it is not the "high gain"! Maybe that the extra brightness is revealing a problem or defect in your particular screen. Members of this forum have been using high gain screens for years, some with light canons, so if this was a commonality among all high gain screens there would have been a ton of complaining over the years - there hasn't been any that I'm aware of.
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Just got home from work. Very dismayed to learn my PJ probably won't arrive on the Monday the 14th.

Jason my charge went through.

I sent you an email, I know you check in here, not sure about how often you check work email on weekend.

Please explain this:
Exception Reason:THE SHIPPER HAS REQUESTED A DELIVERY INTERCEPT FOR THIS PACKAGE
Exception Status/Resolution: RETURN TO SENDER PENDING (RESOLUTION)

Thanks

Im having a similar issue. I was supposed to get my Epson drop shipped, Thursday according to FedEx tracking my 8500 was delivered... when I finally got home it wasnt here.... same night I got an email with a UPS tracking number, so I emailed Jason and asked if my Drop Ship 8500 had been changed to a 8500 coming from AVS.... then I get another email saying there was a delivery interception ????? so now I have to wait till monday to call Jason, sent him an email and called but it was probably a bit too late last night when I did.
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Screen shots look good. Did you have yours calibrated by Jason? Ill have to tweak my own when it finally arrives.... Are you using that default THX mode? If so did you tweak it at all?
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I got the projector yesterday and quickly set it up in place of my old Panasonic AE2000U. Because I used the same mount, the projector is slightly offset from ideal center by approximately 4-5". The projector is mounted approximately 14 feet back from a painted wall screen 12 feet wide. The seating position is directly under the projector 14 feet from the screen.

Pros:

1. The projector is BRIGHT. I had just replaced the lamp on the AE2000U, so comparing fresh bulb to fresh bulb, 8500 is bright as Dynamic mode on AE2000U in Living Room mode (second brightest mode) with better color. The projector is easily viewable in semi day light with overhead lights on in either the Living Room or Dynamic mode.

2. Convergence is very good. Using Nokia test pattern on my HTPC, convergence is less than pixel wide at the edges and better than on my AE2000.

3. Takes and displays 1080P60, 1080P50, 1080P25, 1080P24, 1080i60, 1080i50 inputs from my HTPC. Did not display 1080P30 however.

4. CFI works very well and settings are distinct for different input signal characteristics. For example, I can set it to OFF for 1080P24 and NORMAL for 1080i60 so that CRI is only displayed for my FIOS box and Blu-ray contents with 1080i60 video content.

CONS:

1. The projector is louder than AE2000U in either Dynamic or Living Room mode. It is the loudest thing in my Home theater (louder than my PS3). You can definitely hear this projector during quiet passages.

2. Focus is uneven compared to AE2000U. It may be due to quality of the optics, but I can not get sharp focus throughout the entire screen. It is fortunately not noticeable from the seating position.

3. Remote is not as functional. Why have RGBCMY and Gamma button on the remote? It's not as if I'll be changing those functions on a frequent basis. Instead having direct selection of Memory settings or Signal input display would have been far preferable.

All in all, I am happy with the projector. The brightness of the projector and CFI with sports programming outweighs the downside of increased noise any day.

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Im having a similar issue. I was supposed to get my Epson drop shipped, Thursday according to FedEx tracking my 8500 was delivered... when I finally got home it wasnt here.... same night I got an email with a UPS tracking number, so I emailed Jason and asked if my Drop Ship 8500 had been changed to a 8500 coming from AVS.... then I get another email saying there was a delivery interception ????? so now I have to wait till monday to call Jason, sent him an email and called but it was probably a bit too late last night when I did.

I had the same issue. I think AVS sent out another projector by mistake in addition to one drop shipped directly from Epson.

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Just got home from work. Very dismayed to learn my PJ probably won't arrive on the Monday the 14th.

Jason my charge went through.

I sent you an email, I know you check in here, not sure about how often you check work email on weekend.

Please explain this:
Exception Reason:THE SHIPPER HAS REQUESTED A DELIVERY INTERCEPT FOR THIS PACKAGE
Exception Status/Resolution: RETURN TO SENDER PENDING (RESOLUTION)

Thanks

the same here. Have to wait one more day .
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I'm using a Da-lite Hi -Power (2.8 gain) with the 7500UB in Vivid mode with external filters (very,very bright) with no problems. It may be the type of material causing the problem, but it is not the "high gain"! Maybe that the extra brightness is revealing a problem or defect in your particular screen. Members of this forum have been using high gain screens for years, some with light canons, so if this was a commonality among all high gain screens there would have been a ton of complaining over the years - there hasn't been any that I'm aware of.

Interesting. I'm arranging to bring the projector to a neighbor's house and project an image on their screen to confirm my screen is the issue.
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Screen shots look good. Did you have yours calibrated by Jason? Ill have to tweak my own when it finally arrives.... Are you using that default THX mode? If so did you tweak it at all?

nope. calibrated myself using THX. Used Art's figures as a base and then adjusted accordingly for my preference.
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Has anyone compared this PJ with the Epson 9100 Pro? I need something that is black.

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Dead center is best as you would be using the center of the lens. The further you go out (using lens shift) the greater the chance of convergence issues. Now whether they will be noticeable or not who knows however why take the chance.

Not convergence. Convergence is determined by the light engine. You are probably thinking of color aberation. But for the shift required to center the body of the pj instead of the lens, it's a moot point.
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I had the same issue. I think AVS sent out another projector by mistake in addition to one drop shipped directly from Epson.

Well that would explain I guess why the second shipment from UPS was emailed to me I guess, but if thats the case where is my 8500 from the drop ship
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For the person who uses a FL-D filter on his 8500UB, may I ask what is the size of your filter? 77mm? And, since the FL-D adds "warmth" to the picture can I assume that the lamp inside the Epson is lacking in red (or too strong towards to the blue spectrum... too cool)? Thanks
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For the person who uses a FL-D filter on his 8500UB, may I ask what is the size of your filter? 77mm? And, since the FL-D adds "warmth" to the picture can I assume that the lamp inside the Epson is lacking in red (or too strong towards to the blue spectrum... too cool)? Thanks

I'm using two filters with an Epson 7500UB with the Vivid mode, which in this particular projector really pushes green. My understanding is that the 8500/9500 have a much better colour balance in Dynamic/Vivid mode. My filters are 49 mm and I mounted them in the middle of the lens cap. I'll be receiving an Epson 9500 in a couple of days and know someone with sophisticated calibration equipment and I'll take a look at how filters work in vivid mode with the 9500. I'll try and get full on/off CR as well with the filter(s).
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I got the projector yesterday and quickly set it up in place of my old Panasonic AE2000U. Because I used the same mount, the projector is slightly offset from ideal center by approximately 4-5". The projector is mounted approximately 14 feet back from a painted wall screen 12 feet wide. The seating position is directly under the projector 14 feet from the screen.

Pros:

1. The projector is BRIGHT. I had just replaced the lamp on the AE2000U, so comparing fresh bulb to fresh bulb, 8500 is bright as Dynamic mode on AE2000U in Living Room mode (second brightest mode) with better color. The projector is easily viewable in semi day light with overhead lights on in either the Living Room or Dynamic mode.

2. Convergence is very good. Using Nokia test pattern on my HTPC, convergence is less than pixel wide at the edges and better than on my AE2000.

3. Takes and displays 1080P60, 1080P50, 1080P25, 1080P24, 1080i60, 1080i50 inputs from my HTPC. Did not display 1080P30 however.

4. CFI works very well and settings are distinct for different input signal characteristics. For example, I can set it to OFF for 1080P24 and NORMAL for 1080i60 so that CRI is only displayed for my FIOS box and Blu-ray contents with 1080i60 video content.

CONS:

1. The projector is louder than AE2000U in either Dynamic or Living Room mode. It is the loudest thing in my Home theater (louder than my PS3). You can definitely hear this projector during quiet passages.

2. Focus is uneven compared to AE2000U. It may be due to quality of the optics, but I can not get sharp focus throughout the entire screen. It is fortunately not noticeable from the seating position.

3. Remote is not as functional. Why have RGBCMY and Gamma button on the remote? It's not as if I'll be changing those functions on a frequent basis. Instead having direct selection of Memory settings or Signal input display would have been far preferable.

All in all, I am happy with the projector. The brightness of the projector and CFI with sports programming outweighs the downside of increased noise any day.

Have to disagree: Checked focus with many test DVDs including HD-DVD DVE test sequences. Focus is sharp as a tack corner to corner in all colors on blank content screens. Maybe it's your screen?

Remote has input selections: HDMI 1 and 2, Component, PC, S-Video and video. Remote has "color Mode" selection along with memory, sharpness and pattern. What else did you want? The remote is illuminated and also has both black screen and pattern buttons.
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nope. calibrated myself using THX. Used Art's figures as a base and then adjusted accordingly for my preference.

I have yet to receive my projector (will be my first), and your screen shots
look very promising (at least on my monitor the they seem to be very natural and have an "easy ~ right" feel about them.

Is this your impression (in the flesh)also?
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If anyone is using a Chief RPA-U with their 8500UB, could you post a picture of how you attached the mount to the projector? The mount came today, but the projector won't be here until early next week. I'd love to get a sneak peek at how they will mate up. Thanks!

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I have yet to receive my projector (will be my first), and your screen shots
look very promising (at least on my monitor the they seem to be very natural and have an "easy ~ right" feel about them.

Is this your impression (in the flesh)also?

Absolutely. I can probably take better shots if I make several adjustments to my camera. I'll post some more later.

As far as the look, it is one of the more natural looking images I have seen. The THX mode is really impressive. I had an Epson 6500 before this and can tell you that this pj is quieter (iris), has better colors, has the same brightness, and has better black levels. All in all, a winner.
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Have to disagree: Checked focus with many test DVDs including HD-DVD DVE test sequences. Focus is sharp as a tack corner to corner in all colors on blank content screens. Maybe it's your screen?

Remote has input selections: HDMI 1 and 2, Component, PC, S-Video and video. Remote has "color Mode" selection along with memory, sharpness and pattern. What else did you want? The remote is illuminated and also has both black screen and pattern buttons.

Maybe your projector got better ground lens. It's not the screen since with previous projector, the focus was better (or perhaps our tolerences are different??? I am checking focus on a 12 feet wide screen only inches from the screen. As I have stated, the poor focus is not noticeable from the regular seating position)

I have a receiver that does switching for all my sources, so I only have a single HDMI connection to the projector. None of those source buttons are of any use to me. The problem with the Memory button on the remote is that rather than scrolling through the various memory settings, it goes to the memory setup screen where you need to use scroll buttons and enter button to select the desired memory setting. It may seem to be a small thing, but it makes it a pain to integrate it into my programmable remote (requiring at least 3 buttons instead of 1).

It also seem RGB setting isn't unique for each video setting. If you adjust the setting for THX, that is carried over if you change it to Livingroom. Only way to have unique color setting for each mode is to use custom memory settings which makes their choice of memory key on the remote even more regrettable.

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I'm using two filters with an Epson 7500UB with the Vivid mode, which in this particular projector really pushes green. My understanding is that the 8500/9500 have a much better colour balance in Dynamic/Vivid mode. My filters are 49 mm and I mounted them in the middle of the lens cap. I'll be receiving an Epson 9500 in a couple of days and know someone with sophisticated calibration equipment and I'll take a look at how filters work in vivid mode with the 9500. I'll try and get full on/off CR as well with the filter(s).

Thanks. Keep us post!

I have also read that you have experimented with ND filter to improve blacker than black. I guess you are just cutting down the light output of the projector to get better 'dark' performance, am I right?
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