Epson 8500UB 200,000:1 CR - Page 7 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #181 of 3635 Old 09-26-2009, 04:01 PM
Member
 
02saleen346's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 105
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Me and family viewed the 7500ub fully calibrated from a pro installer and must say we where left speachless. Regular tv and blueray looked amazing. The picture looked like a 133" flat panel LCD. I'm really interested to see what the new model will look like compared to the 7500ub. It was nice to see properly set up unlike the demo we saw at a high end retail store such as Starpower in Dallas Tx. Just got back from a local BB store and viewed the new Mitsubishi 6800. I had high hopes for the 6800 but I guess it's nice fair being viewed after seeing the 7500ub. For being $1700 less than the 7500 it still threw a nice picture. Blacks seamed to better than the 7100. I will admit that the 6800 was barely put together when we arrived at the store and all settings where straight out of the box with everything set at zero. Could the picture with proper Calibration make a night and day difference? Saleman said he would have it calibrated sometime next week. It was displayed on a Stewart grey pulldown screen. As mentioned earlier the 7500 looked to be a big Flat panel Lcd but the 6800 was almost right next to a Sony 40" LCD tv and it didn't look as bright even with ajusting some settings it didn't get much brighter. The 7500 throw was around 15' and the 6800 was around 14' on a 92" screen.
02saleen346 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #182 of 3635 Old 09-27-2009, 03:50 AM
AVS Special Member
 
rwestley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,678
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 66 Post(s)
Liked: 70
Calibration can make a big difference as one can see. I would be careful to judge the projector in a retail store because one does not know how is has been set up. You should also realize that brightness does not tell the story of how a set should look. Most stores seup their sets in the vivid mode and the picture is inaccurate.
rwestley is offline  
post #183 of 3635 Old 09-27-2009, 08:12 AM
Member
 
02saleen346's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 105
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Your right. We saw a totally different projector from the installer compared to the starpower store for the 7500. For some reason it slipped my mind. I would love to review the Mitsubishi again when properly set up. I also forgot to mention that there was hardly any pixalation on the 7500 and more on the 6800.
02saleen346 is offline  
post #184 of 3635 Old 09-28-2009, 01:02 AM
AVS Special Member
 
CT_Wiebe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 6,437
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
02saleen346 -- I'd say that the HC6800 wasn't set up correctly. I had to spend considerable time (about 20 - 30 minutes) physically setting up my HC5500. The result was an extremely sharp picture with no visible hint of pixels at 1 x screen width - I have to get up to about a foot from my screen before I can completely resolve the pixels in detail (in perfect focus over the entire screen - 106").

However, the Mitsubishi PJs do not have quite as good black levels or the brightness (lumen output) capability of the Epson UB models. As with any PJ, it's all about selecting the right compromise for your preferences. For instance, I doubt that the Mitsubishi HC6800 would have enough output to work with a 133" screen (at least not if you want lots of screen brightness), the Epson does. With the 2010 models, the Epson is still the black level and brightness king (at least in the lower end of the "over $3K" price range).

If you are curious, compare Art's reviews of the Epson 6500UB and the Mitsubishi HC6500 -- www.projectorreviews.com

- Claus {non-Santa model}
CT_Wiebe is offline  
post #185 of 3635 Old 09-28-2009, 11:43 AM
Member
 
02saleen346's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 105
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
I know its hard to tell from not viewing the 8500UB but if it puts out a picture like the 7500UB we viewed or better, I will waiting and saving for it. Looks to be out by Novemer 9? I looked through a lot of the reviews from the 6500UB, AE3000 and Mits 6500 and all point in the direction of Epson projectors for me. The brightness for ambient light, the black levels and New FI are pushing me even further to Epson for my needs.
02saleen346 is offline  
post #186 of 3635 Old 10-01-2009, 12:58 PM
Advanced Member
 
Horta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: South Florida
Posts: 586
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 13
OK when will the pre-order begin? I'm ready. I have the Epson 1080UB and looking forward to the upgrade. I always skip a generation between upgrades.

Here are my projectors so far

Sharp XV-Z10000U DLP 800 lumens 2,600:1 contrast
Panasonic PT-AX100 LCD 2,000 lumens 6,000:1 contrast (with AI)
Epson 1080UB LCD 1,600 lumins 50,000:1 contrast (with AI)

So now another Epson with 1,600 lumens but diferent bulb technology and 200,000:1 contrast with dual Iris's. I'm excited....
Horta is offline  
post #187 of 3635 Old 10-01-2009, 02:12 PM
Member
 
adrian27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 73
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
and how is the SDE (tipical on LCD chip) compared to LICOS/SXRD, anyone could compare this?
adrian27 is offline  
post #188 of 3635 Old 10-01-2009, 04:21 PM
AVS Special Member
 
GoCaboNow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,142
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 197 Post(s)
Liked: 341
Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian27 View Post

and how is the SDE (tipical on LCD chip) compared to LICOS/SXRD, anyone could compare this?

I played with a 6500 with the new firmware in my theater for a few days. I own a lcos based rs10 and was able to compare back forth easily since it is shelf mounted. SDE was a little more apperent than the rs10 but you still had to get up to 2-3 feet away from a 133" diag 16x9 image to see it. Going off of memory as that was months ago but would not have been in issue for me.

Location: Beaverton, Oregon
My Dedicated Home Theater Room
GoCaboNow is offline  
post #189 of 3635 Old 10-01-2009, 04:50 PM
AVS Special Member
 
HiHoStevo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Las Vegas & Cedar Hills
Posts: 3,920
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

I played with a 6500 with the new firmware in my theater for a few days. I own a lcos based rs10 and was able to compare back forth easily since it is shelf mounted. SDE was a little more apperent than the rs10 but you still had to get up to 2-3 feet away from a 133" diag 16x9 image to see it. Going off of memory as that was months ago but would not have been in issue for me.

2 to 3 feet is not bad (great actually)..... certainly tons better than the LCD's I looked at a couple of years back.

For some reason I am VERY sensitive to SDE, but thankfully not to RBE which drove me into the DLP camp.

DLP was sharp and bright and pretty wow. Lcos (remember this is a few years ago) was too soft and lcd just too dull.

I know things have changed the last couple of years so I am thrilled to hear you were unable to see SDE on a 133" screen until you got within 3 feet or so.

I use both a 120" and 135" Elite screens and am always shopping for replacements for my 720p projectors.

There are just two theories for successfully quarreling with a woman -- neither one works!
The Barn - Use Password = AVSForum
HiHoStevo is offline  
post #190 of 3635 Old 10-01-2009, 05:55 PM
Member
 
adrian27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 73
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
no aparent SDE, 200.000:1 contrast, razor bright Interframe and SUPER RESOLUTION (I saw a demo in a video and this feature look amazing) I think this is the PJ to go
I'm owner of a SONY VPL VW60, good film like look but... is too dim for my taste
adrian27 is offline  
post #191 of 3635 Old 10-01-2009, 06:41 PM
AVS Special Member
 
stereomandan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 21
SDE really is a non issue for 1080P displays.

Dan
stereomandan is offline  
post #192 of 3635 Old 10-04-2009, 06:53 AM
Member
 
zeinoonm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 115
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked: 10
any news about the pricing of the 8500 or if Jason will have a power buy this year??

__________________________________________________________
I suppose Mr. Bond has been explaining to you his "Big Bang" theory.
Yeah, I think I got the...thrust of it.
zeinoonm is offline  
post #193 of 3635 Old 10-04-2009, 02:41 PM
Newbie
 
ijvicente's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hi, i am traveling to the Us ,i will be in California and would like to know if someone can please recommend a store where can i see projectors and of course buy, i would like to buy the Epson 8500ub

thanks
ijvicente is offline  
post #194 of 3635 Old 10-04-2009, 02:56 PM
AVS Special Member
 
erkq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,541
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by ijvicente View Post

Hi, i am traveling to the Us ,i will be in California and would like to know if someone can please recommend a store where can i see projectors and of course buy, i would like to buy the Epson 8500ub

thanks

Just a word of caution. Check out the warranty situation if taking it outside the US. You may be on your own if you have trouble.
erkq is online now  
post #195 of 3635 Old 10-04-2009, 07:47 PM
AVS Special Member
 
lespurgeon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: California
Posts: 2,462
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeinoonm View Post

any news about the pricing of the 8500 or if Jason will have a power buy this year??

I saw a press release that suggested this will belong on the other forum by $1. Timing is bad for me, but a powerbuy would be tempting.
lespurgeon is offline  
post #196 of 3635 Old 10-04-2009, 08:10 PM
AVS Special Member
 
gpmbc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 2,431
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 81 Post(s)
Liked: 82
Any confirmation if they improved the noise level of the iris? My current projector never makes a peep and I'm worried about the potential disturbance above my head.
gpmbc is online now  
post #197 of 3635 Old 10-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Advanced Member
 
Horta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: South Florida
Posts: 586
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Just to let you all know Jason is gathering up names for the first run of orders. I have my name on the list. Just send him a PM.
Horta is offline  
post #198 of 3635 Old 10-07-2009, 08:03 AM
AVS Special Member
 
pottscb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,310
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horta View Post

Just to let you all know Jason is gathering up names for the first run of orders. I have my name on the list. Just send him a PM.

Is there an agreed-upon price or do you just sign up to buy it no matter what the price is? Historically, are the power buys as good a price as you can get on them 3 mo. later when the "street discounts" inevitably start popping up? Just curious if anyone has ever done the power buy and regretted it 90 days later, I've been waiting 4 yrs for this decision, 90 more days won't be that hard.
pottscb is offline  
post #199 of 3635 Old 10-07-2009, 09:47 AM
AVS Special Member
 
erkq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,541
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Liked: 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

Is there an agreed-upon price or do you just sign up to buy it no matter what the price is? Historically, are the power buys as good a price as you can get on them 3 mo. later when the "street discounts" inevitably start popping up? Just curious if anyone has ever done the power buy and regretted it 90 days later, I've been waiting 4 yrs for this decision, 90 more days won't be that hard.

My experience with AVS power buys: Yes, they tell you the price. You will be disappointed 3 months later if you DON'T participate in the power buy. But my experience was with the RS1 so it was a while ago.
erkq is online now  
post #200 of 3635 Old 10-07-2009, 10:44 AM
AVS Special Member
 
mtbdudex's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 4,705
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 77 Post(s)
Liked: 293
Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian27 View Post

no aparent SDE, 200.000:1 contrast, razor bright Interframe and SUPER RESOLUTION (I saw a demo in a video and this feature look amazing) I think this is the PJ to go
I'm owner of a SONY VPL VW60, good film like look but... is too dim for my taste

+1

My brother inlaw (Grand Haven, MI) has the 7500UB custom installed and calibrated, saw it 4 weeks ago, I'm blown away at it.
My VW60 is just not in that league for brightness/sharpness, the bar keeps getting raised by these improvements.
I'm telling people look at the upcoming 8500 as baseline for $3k-ish PJ's.
mtbdudex is online now  
post #201 of 3635 Old 10-07-2009, 06:34 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Jason Turk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Rochester, NY USA
Posts: 12,452
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeinoonm View Post

any news about the pricing of the 8500 or if Jason will have a power buy this year??

When do I not? Seriously, I posted earlier but this is a long thread. I don't have pricing details, but as soon as I get them I will launch a preorder special. Anyone interested in being in on the list, drop me an EMAIL (please no PM) to jason@avscience.com. I will add you to the list.

Thanks!
Jason Turk is offline  
post #202 of 3635 Old 10-08-2009, 08:49 AM
Newbie
 
John Thacker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by lespurgeon View Post

I saw a press release that suggested this will belong on the other forum by $1. Timing is bad for me, but a powerbuy would be tempting.

The press release as I saw it said that the MSRP was still undecided, but "definitely less than $3000." That might imply $2999, but I think that the new Panny AE4000u MSRP of $2499 (and expected MAP/street price of $1999?) will be altering that calculation.
John Thacker is offline  
post #203 of 3635 Old 10-08-2009, 09:16 AM
Senior Member
 
wohlstad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: MD
Posts: 321
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Thacker View Post

The press release as I saw it said that the MSRP was still undecided, but "definitely less than $3000." That might imply $2999, but I think that the new Panny AE4000u MSRP of $2499 (and expected MAP/street price of $1999?) will be altering that calculation.

The new Panny AE4000 is being offered at $1999 per PJCentral

http://www.projectorcentral.com/pana...tor_review.htm
wohlstad is offline  
post #204 of 3635 Old 10-08-2009, 09:49 AM
Newbie
 
John Thacker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 12
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by wohlstad View Post

The new Panny AE4000 is being offered at $1999 per PJCentral

http://www.projectorcentral.com/pana...tor_review.htm

Yes, yes, I know. The MSRP is still $2499, as ProjectorCentral itself agrees, but Evan apparently believes or has sources that the street price will be $1999.
John Thacker is offline  
post #205 of 3635 Old 10-08-2009, 11:04 AM
 
buddahead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,903
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
This is great news for those in the market.Epson has to bring the 8500 to market for no more than the low 2k.They can't play that stupid rebate game either.No one is going to pay 3k for the 8500 when the ae4000 is 2k.Same as Sony'they will not sell many hw15 at their current price.
buddahead is offline  
post #206 of 3635 Old 10-08-2009, 11:26 AM
AVS Special Member
 
bri1270's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,782
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:


This is great news for those in the market.Epson has to bring the 8500 to market for no more than the low 2k.They can't play that stupid rebate game either.No one is going to pay 3k for the 8500 when the ae4000 is 2k.Same as Sony'they will not sell many hw15 at their current price.

Should make for an interesting month anyway.
bri1270 is offline  
post #207 of 3635 Old 10-08-2009, 01:08 PM
AVS Special Member
 
HiHoStevo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Las Vegas & Cedar Hills
Posts: 3,920
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddahead View Post

This is great news for those in the market.Epson has to bring the 8500 to market for no more than the low 2k.They can't play that stupid rebate game either.No one is going to pay 3k for the 8500 when the ae4000 is 2k.Same as Sony'they will not sell many hw15 at their current price.

Woo Hoo

Boy this hobby is a lot more "fun" than it was 10 years ago...........

There are just two theories for successfully quarreling with a woman -- neither one works!
The Barn - Use Password = AVSForum
HiHoStevo is offline  
post #208 of 3635 Old 10-08-2009, 08:22 PM
Advanced Member
 
jtenn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 661
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 12
I'm glad to see the prices come down. I really want to upgrade to a 1080p projector. Can't wait for the comparison between the Epson and the Panny.

jtenn is online now  
post #209 of 3635 Old 10-09-2009, 01:26 AM
Member
 
zeinoonm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 115
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked: 10
WOW!!!
With a MAP of $1999 for the Panny, i don't see how Epson can advertise the 8500 for 2700 - 2999. I am sure the Epson is gonna be a bit sharper, and has better blacks and CR. But is it worth a $700-900 premium??

__________________________________________________________
I suppose Mr. Bond has been explaining to you his "Big Bang" theory.
Yeah, I think I got the...thrust of it.
zeinoonm is offline  
post #210 of 3635 Old 10-09-2009, 08:00 AM
Member
 
Moikey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Aurora, CO
Posts: 19
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeinoonm View Post

WOW!!!
With a MAP of $1999 for the Panny, i don't see how Epson can advertise the 8500 for 2700 - 2999. I am sure the Epson is gonna be a bit sharper, and has better blacks and CR. But is it worth a $700-900 premium??

Probably not imho. Epson should really re-evaluate their msrp to be competitive. My question is would a 6500 at the same price as the panny be worth it? Maybe so.
Moikey is offline  
Reply Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP

Tags
Epson Powerlite Home Cinema 8500 Ub Lcd Projector V11h337020
Gear in this thread

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off