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What we know:
-Contrast ratio double of the 6100, rated at 36000:1
-Lumens rated at 1800
-October release
-Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) of $1599

This is THE projector Ive been waiting for. I will be preordering this as soon as possible.

I seriously almost bought the 6100 the other day because I'm so tired of waiting, looks like I manned up and waiting just a little longer and it will pay off.

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Disclamer: sorry if this has been posted, I did search. Sorry if there are errors in this post, doing it from work on my iPhone because they block this site.
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Old 09-08-2009, 08:17 AM
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That is interesting.

The 6100 has organic panels, I wonder if the 8100 is organic.

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Sweet, they have to drop the price of the 6100 quite a bit you would think.

Late october seems so far away though!
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I almost bought the the 6100 as well. I heard about the 8100 just today. I think I can wait another month for this one. Maybe they have fixed the focusing issues that the 6100 had.
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I'm guessing/hoping they used inorganic panels, that would explain the huge jump in CR.

Your tellin me October is late, I got a little one due Oct 15th. Won't be getting mch use of the projector then I'm assuming.

From my reading I believe they fixed the focusing issues on the newer 6100s.
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Hopefully it offers much better black level, after seeing the 6100 I was honestly kind of shocked at just how poor the black level was.

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Yes, this is the one I have been waiting for, I think! (Hopefully the specs will bear out scrutiny).
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Wow, another serious 1080P contender with MSRP under $1,600.00. I'm glad I didn't jump at the HD20 right out of the gate...too many interesting alternatives to look at before making a final purchase decision. The 4th quarter of 2009 should be very interesting for budget concious projector buyers. I love the DLP look, but my theater room dynamics desperately require (affordable) lens shift.
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My primary concern is ambient light, so hopefully this set handles it just as well, or better than, the 6100. The higher-level model, the 9100, is also supposed to come out well under $3k.

Like all of you, I'll be putting off my purchase until I see the reviews for these! Good stuff!
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Im suprises this one isn't getting more attention.

I'm sure we'll get more info on it tomorrow once CEDIA officially kicks off.
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That is interesting.

The 6100 has organic panels, I wonder if the 8100 is organic.

This is the question that I'm looking for an answer to as well...
If they are using inorganic panels and, thus, I don't have to worry about a short lifespan for the projector itself, then I'm sold.
If not, well... the organic panels are what kept me from the 6100.
As soon as anyone finds out, please let us know!
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Unless someone drops a huge surprise at CEDIA, I'm probably getting this too.

It's just not worth it to me to spend twice as much for slightly better contrast and frame interpolation on the 8500.
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Holy, nice find! Inorganic panels and I am in. What a time to be a HT enthusiast! Unbelievable!

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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Me personally, I'm in organic or inorganic. I'm really hoping for inorganic though. I suppose the extra contrast could always be from an improved iris. Lets hope not and its inorganic.
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Is it just me or the mention of D7 panel NOT mentioned in the 8100 hints something...for the worse? If you look at the article closely, Epson actually mentions the kinda of panel used in the 8500 but NOT on the 8100. Or am I jumping to senseless conclusions ;-)?

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Is it just me or the mention of D7 panel NOT mentioned in the 8100 hints something...for the worse? If you look at the article closely, Epson actually mentions the kinda of panel used in the 8500 but NOT on the 8100. Or am I jumping to senseless conclusions ;-)?

"Featuring D7 technology for brilliant color and
detail, and higher contrast, the Home Cinema 8100 reaches a 36,000:1 dynamic
contrast ratio and the Home Cinema 8500 UB achieves an unprecedented
200,000:1(i)."

The 8100 has the D7.

Edit: Err, I reread the press release. I see what you mean. It seems the 8500 has the inorganic C2Fine D7, while the 8100 presumably has the organic D7
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I saw a demo for the 1080ub and liked the blacks and performance it displayed. Would or should I consider the 8100 for the same pq as the 1080ub for under $2000?
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I saw a demo for the 1080ub and liked the blacks and performance it displayed. Would or should I consider the 8100 for the same pq as the 1080ub for under $2000?

Personally, I'd pick the 1080UB (holy grail of LCD black levels when it came out) over the 8100 anyday. Plus the fact the 1080ub uses inorganic panel for sure while the 8100 may be a organic panel (from my conclusions).

I also do know the early batches of 1080UB did have convergence issues so I'd definitely check that out.

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Overall I think the 1080ub will possibly still throw a slightly better picture. However, the 8100 has the TORL bulb that will last longer and you'll have a fresh warranty. Not even sure where you would pickup a 1080ub at this point.
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Ahem. I had an Epson 400 and sold it after 420 plus hours. It's quieter than my JVC RS2. Lets see how realistic the contrast spec is, but I'm sure it's brighter than the JVC, and a smaller foot print.

The contrast of the JVC is near CRT-black. For the money and warranty, the Epson is extremely competitive, vis-a-vis Mitsu 3800 and Viewsonic 8100.
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I was wondering was this on display at CEDIA? I am looking into upgrading from me Epson 1080 and was looking at the 8100 and was wondering if anyone saw it on display yet?
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Art at projector reviews indicated he already confirmed ORGANIC PANELS but states the new organic panels may have longer lifespan than the older organics...

Contrast ratio on the 1080UB 50:000-1 vs a 36:000-1.......unless they were side by side you would probably not see a difference...

1800 lumens... a light cannon. Expect the picture to have a lot of pop & wow factor. I cant wait for this to come out... I want to replace my Mits HD1000U and step up to 1080P

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I think I might jump in when this comes out as well. At that price, it's an excellent buy. I have an old Sanyo Z2 (original price paid around $2200) which is on its last legs. I would hope ( and tend to agree with Art) that 5+ years later the panels have improved to not cause me a concern. The degradation I see on my Z2 I think is the polarizers anyway.

BTW, the 1080UBs are still available at epson.com but at about 1K more, albeit with a free lamp; I think I will go for the 8100.

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The review for the Epson 8100 is up at Projector Central - they really liked it:

"Overall, the Epson Home Cinema 8100 is an outstanding projector and a superb value for its modest selling price."

Check out the complete review here:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso..._projector.htm
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Didnt expect a review that early, good sign it will be at retailers soon.
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Inorganic panel! No sign of focusing issues!
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Did I miss the contrast, or was that not in there?
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Art at projector reviews indicated he already confirmed ORGANIC PANELS but states the new organic panels may have longer lifespan than the older organics...

Contrast ratio on the 1080UB 50:000-1 vs a 36:000-1.......unless they were side by side you would probably not see a difference...

1800 lumens... a light cannon. Expect the picture to have a lot of pop & wow factor. I cant wait for this to come out... I want to replace my Mits HD1000U and step up to 1080P

Projectorreviews vs projectorcentral.....fight fight fight
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