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post #361 of 8516 Old 10-20-2009, 12:30 PM
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Is it really Panasonic's fault or the Canadian govt regulations on imports?

Epson doesn't seem to have the same problem.

If it's government regulation, then the Dealers and Panasonic Canada should be lobbying the government to level the playing field.
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I blame the Canadian government for much . . . "don't get me started" on the CRTC for example.

But it's one heck of a stretch to blame the government for the MSRP of the AE-4000.
Panasonic Canada and only Panasonic Canada made that decision.

And, at an MSRP of $4000, plus an HST of 13% on top of that (we CAN blame the gov. for THAT much!), I sure as hades won't be buying one . . . in Canada at least.

For the winter place in Florida . . . if the "street price" really comes in at $1999 . . . it is hard to pass up.

If you really want one, take a holiday to the US, stay for seven days, buy at $1999, bring it home, declare it and pay tax on the difference between your allowable exemption ($750 CDN) and the actual purchase price.

Think I'll just leave mine in the house in Florida though.

Oh, and enjoy your US holiday too.

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I have a setup question for all you experts before I go and order everything for my HT.

After much research here is my anticipated setup...

Room size: 19' wide x 25' deep
Throw distance: 14'
seating distance: 14'
Screen size: 120" 2.35.1
Projector: Panny ae4000

Does this look like I will have any issues? Could I safely go to 128"?


This is my first projector and I'm trying to cover my bases.

Thanks for any input!

Since you are doing DIY, why not wait until you setup your PJ, Put in your favorite 2.35:1 movie and measure from there. I masked a drop down screen to the measurements on projector central and it was a fit for some but too short for my favorite movies. (Batman Begins, Transformers)

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I have no source to back my statement but 4000$ CND for the Panny it is almost impossible...

Yes, the panny will cost more in Canada but not the double...

Best thing is to wait for the official price and see...


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I have no source to back my statement but 4000$ CND for the Panny it is almost impossible...

Yes, the panny will cost more in Canada but not the double...

Best thing is to wait for the official price and see...


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Like I said, I called numerous stores in Canada. Each one indicated the exact same price and ETA. Maybe Pan. will realyze the price is far to high for the value of the dollar right now.
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This projector looks great on paper, but so did the (2) AE-3000u's I had to return due to multiple dust blob issues and focus problems.
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although the 4000 looks promising, its light output is still a weak link.

In its best mode it gets around 550 lumens, putting it in eco mode drops it by 32%, thus netting out at 374... I consider that a serious limitation.

I am wondering the same thing!
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This projector looks great on paper, but so did the (2) AE-3000u's I had to return due to multiple dust blob issues and focus problems.

It looks like the PT-AE4000 is now better in this area.

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Like I said, I called numerous stores in Canada. Each one indicated the exact same price and ETA. Maybe Pan. will realyze the price is far to high for the value of the dollar right now.

I really hope so... Because many will buy from the US. At 3999$ you can buy 2 projectors. At that price difference the warranty argument has no impact!

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...Maybe Pan. will realyze the price is far to high for the value of the dollar right now.

I'm routing for the CDN dollar right now : http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=canadian+dollar
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Can this projector can be rear shelf mounted? I know it can be ceiling mounted which would hang upside down. However, I do not find a specific answer in the manual in regard to this.

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Can this projector can be rear shelf mounted? I know it can be ceiling mounted which would hang upside down. However, I do not find a specific answer in the manual in regard to this.

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With the amount of lens shift offered you should not have any problems doing a read shelf mount. I am planning on this as well if I do actually get this.
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Can this projector can be rear shelf mounted? I know it can be ceiling mounted which would hang upside down. However, I do not find a specific answer in the manual in regard to this.

Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, then yes. I believe it's referred to as desk rather than shelf in the manual though. I guess a difference could be the angle of projection, but the manual states you can be up to 100% off center either way, so the orientation makes no difference.
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Just preordered from PP.

They say I am #200 in line, which should still be in the first shipment. Still saying end of the month.
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I ordered one(my first projector) from Projector People last night and received a phone call today confirming I'm in the first batch being shipped. I was told I should received it the first week of November. My theater room should be done right around then so I can barely contain my giddyness.
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Is anyone going to be using the 4000 in an ambient light condition? If so, are you concerned about the brightness?

As neekos said earlier: "In its best mode it gets around 550 lumens, putting it in eco mode drops it by 32%, thus netting out at 374... I consider that a serious limitation."
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As neekos said earlier: "In its best mode it gets around 550 lumens, putting it in eco mode drops it by 32%, thus netting out at 374... I consider that a serious limitation."

This is starting to worry me. I am far from an expert but I am in a completely light controlled room. Should I still be concerned with the lumen output?

I mean I am upgrading from an older IN 4805...
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Is anyone going to be using the 4000 in an ambient light condition? If so, are you concerned about the brightness?

As neekos said earlier: "In its best mode it gets around 550 lumens, putting it in eco mode drops it by 32%, thus netting out at 374... I consider that a serious limitation."

Not a limitation, just the specs of the projector.
If you care less about accurate colors and such of the picture, and the half-life of the lamp, then run the pj in Dynamic or whatever mode that has higher output.

"Ambient light" is a very vague term to begin with too.
Small to moderate amounts of NON-direct ambient light should still yield a good, but possibly slightly washed out pic.

There are solutions to combat ambient light. Like using a high power / higher gain screen, keeping the ambient light from shining directly onto the screen, making sure surfaces near the screen are not reflective...

If you are going to have a ton of light in the room, then you will need a much more expensive "light canon" type projector that will still stay close to accurate at higher output.

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I'm hearing 20% to 30% more brightness in dynamic for epson 8100/8500. Question for me is how much that % buys you. If the ambient is bad enough to make the 4000U near unwatchable, is even 30% going to save the situation, or ... just make it less horrible, with the realization that you need to turn on your 50" flatscreen.

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Has this projector (AE4000) been reviewed/compared to the Mitusubishi HC3800 anywhere?


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Wonder if they will have any Black Friday deals on these?
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Not a limitation, just the specs of the projector.
If you care less about accurate colors and such of the picture, and the half-life of the lamp, then run the pj in Dynamic or whatever mode that has higher output.

"Ambient light" is a very vague term to begin with too.
Small to moderate amounts of NON-direct ambient light should still yield a good, but possibly slightly washed out pic.

There are solutions to combat ambient light. Like using a high power / higher gain screen, keeping the ambient light from shining directly onto the screen, making sure surfaces near the screen are not reflective...

If you are going to have a ton of light in the room, then you will need a much more expensive "light canon" type projector that will still stay close to accurate at higher output.

All very true. Fact is I forgot that I could use "Best mode" at night when I want to watch a movie, and during the summer days when I want to use the sliding glass door going out to the swimming pool, I could use the highest output mode for casual sports watching during the day. I can definately keep the ambient light from hitting the screen directly even with the sliding glass door open.

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Is anyone going to be using the 4000 in an ambient light condition? If so, are you concerned about the brightness?

As neekos said earlier: "In its best mode it gets around 550 lumens, putting it in eco mode drops it by 32%, thus netting out at 374... I consider that a serious limitation."

Do you think with these lumens, in a completely dark room, this projector will do an excellent/great job (real 1080p on screen) projecting a 150" image??
My screen is 1.1 gain.
no problem with the position of the projector (ceiling mount).

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I was also considering this PJ, but I am not sure if the position where I would have it will work.( It has to stay at that position ) If I did consider this PJ it would be on a ceiling shelf at about 12.6 ft from a 104 inch screen. I had a look at one of the projector sites for distance calculations and ( not sure if I read it right ) but it would be at the very limit of 12.6 to fit the 104 inch screen and I don't think it would work.

Can anybody confirm if I am looking at that calculation correctly. I believe it was on the VisualApex site.

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Dave_1, try this one...
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Pana...ulator-pro.htm

If you are talking about a 104" diagonal 16:9 screen, with 12.6 feet between the lens and screen, then you should be good... right in the sweet spot actually.
As long as the "height" of the pj is within the limits of the the lens shift specifications, you should be perfectly fine.

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Do LCD projectors suffer from the same issue LCD TVs do with fast moving sporting events? Where they do not refresh fast enough.

I have an old 4805 (DLP of course) and cannot say I ever had that issue.
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can the 4000 be compared to a JVC RS-15/20??? is that a fair comparison or are they 2 different classes of projector?

any other thoughts on this?
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Do LCD projectors suffer from the same issue LCD TVs do with fast moving sporting events? Where they do not refresh fast enough.

I have an old 4805 (DLP of course) and cannot say I ever had that issue.

I'm quite interested in this also.

And hockey seems to be the worst for LCD. It might make me spring for an LCOS.


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This is starting to worry me. I am far from an expert but I am in a completely light controlled room. Should I still be concerned with the lumen output?

I mean I am upgrading from an older IN 4805...

A new 4000 in a light controlled room...get the paper towels and prepare to drool!
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Wonder if they will have any Black Friday deals on these?

If memory serves me I think they had black friday deals on the 3000 last year of about $200 bucks. But this one is already at a lower price point I cant see them doing it. But that said I hope they do.
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