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Thanks Zillch. I've been the only operator. Over the last year, we have had maybe two power outages that could have done this. Doesn't sound like there would be an easy or inexpensive fix? Will a new bulb resolve this? I assume not.

Do you think the "cloud" might continue to grow?

Thanks again for your insight.

If you search the forum for "blue polarizer" you'll see some people claim it can grow, which surprises me, and there is talk of how to open and inspect them yourself, maybe even replace them yourself [search for "Panasonic parts" for your source for new ones].

I don't know much more about it. Good luck.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass any more than we get to pick the ending of a play. High fidelity is an unbiased, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original source's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..

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Thanks Zillch. I've been the only operator. Over the last year, we have had maybe two power outages that could have done this. Doesn't sound like there would be an easy or inexpensive fix? Will a new bulb resolve this? I assume not.

Do you think the "cloud" might continue to grow?

Thanks again for your insight.

This is a perfect time to suggest to all to get a APC or similar battery backup emergency power conditioner. I get 15 minutes of full system juice in the event of failure and thats plenty time to shut down as alarm is pretty loud.
I did put in a 14000 w Generac NG generator but it takes 6 seconds to kick on and projector could get toasted in that time.
I got my APC used for $75.00 and its a life saver.
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This is a perfect time to suggest to all to get a APC or similar battery backup emergency power conditioner. I get 15 minutes of full system juice in the event of failure and thats plenty time to shut down as alarm is pretty loud.
I did put in a 14000 w Generac NG generator but it takes 6 seconds to kick on and projector could get toasted in that time.
I got my APC used for $75.00 and its a life saver.

I just added a Panamax MX5102 to my system. Not only does it provide battery backup for my 4000, but it also has an IR learning function that can be used to send a shut down command the the pj in the event of a power outage. (However, to use this feature you must also employ an IR-to-RS232 converter so you can use the discrete RS232 power off command. You don't want to use the standard IR on/off toggle command because it could inadvertently turn on the pj if there were a power outage and the pj was already off!)
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Good point. I knew I was cutting corners by not getting a battery backup. Now I pay the price. If it doesn't get any worse, I'll live with it. It rarely presents itself during movies.

I've searched the links provided, but nowhere could I find out where to get a polarizer from and how much it might cost for the part. Anyone know off hand?

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^ This thread may have some good info:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572889.

Obviously don't order any parts unless you have verified the issue. This may be the type of thing you need:

https://www.ued.net/ued/addItems.do?...de=MSCLSXA0518 but I'd buy direct from Panasonic if possible

One guy in this thead mentions he was certain his issue was the blue polarizer, buys one and replaces it himself, only to discover he was wrong!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1157338

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Thanks. That did have the info I needed. Sounds like a hassle free ship it off cost is about $250. So, I'm still not doing anything now, but it's nice to know what my options are if the problem escalates.

Interestingly, with the 4000 compared to my 900, I notice that the air filter needs cleaning much more often. I'd clean the 900 at 100 hours and there would be next to nothing on the filter. At 100 hours, the 4000 is overdue!

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This may or may not have been asked but I really dont want to trudge through 219 pages to find out but I currently have a panny pt-ax200u that is only a year old with less than 750 hours on it. I am building a new theater room and considering upgrading to this unit. My question is.....Is the upgrade worth the cost (currently $1999) or should I consider waiting for the price to come down on this unit OR a new model release from Panny? I am not ready quite yet for the pj as my room is not done however I need to make some decisions soon of whether I am going to upgrade so I can decide if I want to go with a scope screen.

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Its worth the upgrade for sure over the 200 but since you have a good working unit maybe a wait and see could be of huge benefit to you shortly down the road, the 4000 is likely to be replaced soon with something maybe better and the 4000 may be cleared out saving you a good amount.
Its something to consider, the 200 isnt too shaby and its not like your slumming with it IMO.
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This may or may not have been asked but I really dont want to trudge through 219 pages to find out but I currently have a panny pt-ax200u that is only a year old with less than 750 hours on it. I am building a new theater room and considering upgrading to this unit. My question is.....Is the upgrade worth the cost (currently $1999) or should I consider waiting for the price to come down on this unit OR a new model release from Panny? I am not ready quite yet for the pj as my room is not done however I need to make some decisions soon of whether I am going to upgrade so I can decide if I want to go with a scope screen.

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Just my 2 cents, but go scope no matter what you do with the PJ. If you're room is wide enough, go scope. I have a scope screen with a AX100u. I've been jonesing for a couple years to go 1080p but haven't yet. Granted I have a anamorphic lens, but I love my scope screen. I wish I had listened to Sandman and bought the bigger one (I got the 110" wide, should have got 120" because the height difference is so small).

If you're even thinking you might get a 4000 or 5000 or one of the new epson's go scope.
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Steve,

Just my 2 cents, but go scope no matter what you do with the PJ. If you're room is wide enough, go scope. I have a scope screen with a AX100u. I've been jonesing for a couple years to go 1080p but haven't yet. Granted I have a anamorphic lens, but I love my scope screen. I wish I had listened to Sandman and bought the bigger one (I got the 110" wide, should have got 120" because the height difference is so small).

If you're even thinking you might get a 4000 or 5000 or one of the new epson's go scope.

Well for the record my screen wall is 152" (12' 8") across if that helps. I am on the fence with scope as I watch a lot of hdtv in there as well as play quite a bit of xbox so I am unsure if scope is right or wrong.

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Well for the record my screen wall is 152" (12' 8") across if that helps. I am on the fence with scope as I watch a lot of hdtv in there as well as play quite a bit of xbox so I am unsure if scope is right or wrong.

Let me second that recommendation for a scope screen. I have an 11' scope and wouldn't do it any other way. TV and other 16:9 content looks great, while scope movies are spectacular, as they are intended to be. Also, many movies are in 1.85, slightly wider than 16:9, and the AE4000 lets you create a lens memory specially for that aspect.

The important thing, if you decide to get a scope screen, is get one that's big enough so 16:9 images are without compromise.

You might consider the 136" Carada Precision, brilliant white material (you want BW for a screen that big). I see they have free shipping this month.
http://www.carada.com/ProductInfo.as...N-SCREEN-C136P

And yes, the AE4000 is definitely worth the money. And through the end of March there's a free bulb offer, another nice savings. If you can wait 7 months, you could see what the (likely) AE5000 has to offer. Although 7 months is a long time in home theater years.
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Well for the record my screen wall is 152" (12' 8") across if that helps. I am on the fence with scope as I watch a lot of hdtv in there as well as play quite a bit of xbox so I am unsure if scope is right or wrong.

It's wrong. Whatever you do don't buy scope. It's wrong for what you watch a lot of.

Also don't buy the 4000. Continue to use the 200 but consider upgrading when the new "5000" or the "5000-3D" come out. The ETA is Sep/Oct. I doubt they'll be much, if any, more money.

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My projector has developed a "Tannish / yellow" cloud in the bottom left portion of an image. It's only detectable with a white background. It seems to be growing and now takes up about 10% of the total image.

Any comments? I've done a search through the thread with no luck.

Hi Tony
How many hours has your PJ?
IMO, the polarizer, when it happens, usually burnt in the middle and not in the edges.
http://www.google.com.ar/imgres?imgu...t:429,r:20,s:0
Could be dust that has been deposited on the blue polarizer or maybe the polarizer has moved (slided) down (the PJ is upsidedown). See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post14085040
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People have any kind words to say about picking up the AE4000 from Projectorpoint.com?

Projectorpeople wouldn't price match and I am not familiar with projectorpoint.

Any reviews would be appreciated.

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Guys..be easy. I read through the forum. Just to make sure.

Dont want to spend too much on Projector Mount.

Planning to pull the trigger for this item from Monoprice. Model # 5466. Which was used by other owners.

Do i need to buy anything else for the mounting? Adapter plate, extension arm?

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People have any kind words to say about picking up the AE4000 from Projectorpoint.com?
Projectorpeople wouldn't price match and I am not familiar with projectorpoint.
Any reviews would be appreciated.
Thanks.

P.People just did a pricematch for me last Monday. Projector received on friday. Projector point is authorized dealer??
Check ur PM.

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Guys..be easy. I read through the forum. Just to make sure.

Dont want to spend too much on Projector Mount.

Planning to pull the trigger for this item from Monoprice. Model # 5466. Which was used by other owners.

Do i need to buy anything else for the mounting? Adapter plate, extension arm?

That mount will be fine. You'll need to get some bolts to attach the PJ to the mount. I think someone posted the size of them here, plus they're listed in the manual too.


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That mount will be fine. You'll need to get some bolts to attach the PJ to the mount. I think someone posted the size of them here, plus they're listed in the manual too.

in the panny drawnig it says M4X12

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Guys..be easy. I read through the forum. Just to make sure.

Dont want to spend too much on Projector Mount.

Planning to pull the trigger for this item from Monoprice. Model # 5466. Which was used by other owners.

Do i need to buy anything else for the mounting? Adapter plate, extension arm?

These posts earlier in the thread might be helpful if you're looking for another option:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post17979313
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post17590572

After looking at several mounts, including the monoprice, I bought this one, mainly for looks and strength. Poor instructions, so not as easy to install as some more expensive mounts, but better built than cheaper ones. Can also run cables through the pipe, although since my media room has a wood ceiling, I couldn't take advantage of that. It included all bolts needed for the AE4000.
http://www.mountdirect.com/Projector...ries_p/npl.htm
http://www.mountdirect.com/NPL_Exten.../npl_ext_v.htm
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Thanks bud..That mount looks rock solid than monoprice. Shipping all to gether it comes to $73 from mountdirect. $20 (monoprice) vs $73....let me think...

once again thanks..

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Thanks bud..That mount looks rock solid than monoprice. Shipping all to gether it comes to $73 from mountdirect. $20 (monoprice) vs $73....let me think...

once again thanks..

BTW, you don't have to buy the telescoping tube, any 2" NPT pipe will work, that's the advantage of the NPL series mounts, they use standard NPT (national pipe thread) hardware.

Also, Mount Direct often has 15% or more off coupons.
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Thanks bud..That mount looks rock solid than monoprice. Shipping all to gether it comes to $73 from mountdirect. $20 (monoprice) vs $73....let me think...

once again thanks..

Just for the record: I own the mono mount and when installed I could hang it from it. I would say that's pretty sturdy. The mount I'm using was $60 and I'd use the mono mount in a heartbeat if it extended to size I wanted.

But hey if something is more expensive it has to be better.

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I currently have a H31 with 501 hours. With DVI and bluray, picture is quite nice. I am waiting for the new model since my main theater will not be done within 3 years. (paying off debt first).

Going on 4 years to finish a 2 week upgrade...

 

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Hi Tony
How many hours has your PJ?
IMO, the polarizer, when it happens, usually burnt in the middle and not in the edges.
http://www.google.com.ar/imgres?imgu...t:429,r:20,s:0
Could be dust that has been deposited on the blue polarizer or maybe the polarizer has moved (slided) down (the PJ is upsidedown). See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post14085040
Hope this helps.

ferbal, thanks for the info. That would be nice if it's dust...maybe. I'll look into that. I'm at 1800 hours.

On another note (or maybe not), I got a chance yesterday to watch a 4000 with less than 100 hours on it at a buddies house. After getting back home and looking at mine again, it is clear that my 1800 hour bulb has lost it "luster". Giving it a rough guess, I would say mine has 15-20% less "pop" and or brightness. It also doesn't have as nice a contract and black level any longer. I hope all these conditions are due to bulb age. I do plan for a new bulb in the next few months.

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I think maybe that I shouldn't have bought this projector. Had family over today to watch the Daytona 500. I couldn't get them to leave after it was over. They are making plans to come back next week to watch a movie.LOL.

Seriously..... It was the GREATEST to see their faces when they walked into the HT. Their reactions made all the hard work on the HT worth it.

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P.People just did a pricematch for me last Monday. Projector received on friday. Projector point is authorized dealer??
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Would you mind PMing me also? I think I'm giving up on waiting for epson and if people will pricematch point, I think that's the tipping point for just getting a 4000 now.

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Just received my PJ this past Friday from P.People. I have nothing but good things to say about P.People. They treated me right. First impressions of the PJ = WOW and I'm projecting on some cheap $15 muslin material I picked up from Joann's. Screen size is just under 12ft wide (2:35). Already put about 10hrs on the projector :-) Time to build the screen now. Plan on ordering some AT screen material from Seymour AV. Any of you with AE4k's projecting on their new XD material? thoughts?
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...I would say mine has 15-20% less "pop" and or brightness. It also doesn't have as nice a contract and black level any longer. I hope all these conditions are due to bulb age. I do plan for a new bulb in the next few months.

You've said that you have a yellow cloud. That locates the problem near/on the blue polarizer. I'm afraid that a new lamp it's not going to solve the problem. You're very lucky if your 1800hs lamp has loosed only 20% of its brightness. I've improved somehow the brightness by cleaning the lamp's front glass and the prism that is located in lamp house. Read here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post18391172
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Interesting link. I've got to admit to being scared of opening it up that far. But it sounds like a worthwhile gamble.

I didn't mean that the brightness, etc. was related to the yellow haze issue. Although it may be.

I was just picking a random number at 20% loss of brightness. It most surely could be closer to the expected 50-70%. It presents itself mainly in a loss of "pop" to the picture. The overall image is only slightly dimmer, but the "shimmer" is about gone.

I'll replace my bulb soon and use the old one as my backup. At that time I'll look more closely at cleaning the prism and looking at the blue filter.

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