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uniformity issues

Okay, so... five years into owning this projector, I'm about ready to pull the trigger on a new bulb. This is making me re-evaluate how the projector's been performing. In general, I couldn't be more happy with it; definitely more happy than I was with the AE1000, which flickered like crazy its whole life. This unit's rock solid… except…

I definitely have a uniformity issue that's been getting steadily worse over these last five years: magenta hue on the left and greenish hue on the right; only really visible in the middle-grays of a black & white movie… but I watch a lot of those, so it's annoying.

Wondering what other owners are doing about uniformity issues with this projector. Living with it? Fixing it themselves? Taking it for servicing? I'm considering the last of these options, so I'm looking for any recommendations. I live in Los Angeles, so I'm considering either Digitron or Mendtronix. Any thoughts on the matter?
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Has it always been this way from day one? Or only as it ages?


Do you run yours in the fast fan mode [I forget if they call it maybe "high altitude" on this pj, I've owned a few] or the low mode? Are you good about vacuuming the filter regularly {unlike me}? If the polarizers heat up unevenly they can degrade, especially on the edges. Accidentally having a power failure where the cooling fan grinds to a halt while the insides are still hot can cause this problem, big time, but to a lesser degree even with proper use it can happen gradually, but mildly. [Which is why one should always use a UPS for a pj]


Bulbs themselves are largely responsible for uniformity issues but I am not certain if it is age related. If you do get a new bulb watch a movie where the uniformity has issues on the old bulb and then re-watch it with the new bulb to see if the problem is cured, to let us know. Thanks.


As you probably know, only buy a real deal Panasonic lamp from Provantage or B&H and beware "just as good and made by the same people to the same specs" clones.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass any more than we get to pick the ending of a play. High fidelity is an unbiased, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original source's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..

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Thanks for the reply! It's definitely gotten worse as it's aged, although it's been noticeable to some degree for about half the projector's life. As far as upkeep is concerned, I'm actually pretty on top o' things:

FAN: I run the fan at the "regular altitude" setting, in Eco mode for 1.33 and 1.85 movies; Normal mode for 2.40:1 (with a CIH setup).

FILTER: I vacuum it every 100 hours, without fail. And I keep the whole theater dust-free (no smoking, no pets, no kids).

NEW BULB: Got the B&H page bookmarked; keenly aware of the fact that I need a "real" bulb that comes with a filter.

You've sparked my sense of optimism that it might be bulb related. Didn't even think that was possible. Is that really a thing? That would be swell.
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I'm not entirely sure if bulb aging and/or buying clone bulbs causes uniformity issues with just brightness or also color uniformity. I will try to do some research and get back to you.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass any more than we get to pick the ending of a play. High fidelity is an unbiased, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original source's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..

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http://www.cs.unc.edu/~stc/publicati...r_SID_ED02.pdf


http://wenku.baidu.com/view/06da6405...5.html?re=view


Attention LCD Owners: Fix Your Color Uniformity Problems by Cleaning!

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Thanks for the links; much appreciated. Those first two are mainly about multi-projector installations, but they do talk about "intra-projector characteristics". They seem to indicate that luminance changes a great deal as the bulb ages (no duh) while color changes very little. Based on those two articles, I'm not sure getting a new bulb will change my color uniformity problems.

The third link is one I'd turned up myself, earlier today. It advocates opening up the projector and taking stuff apart for cleaning. This makes me very nervous; don't know if I'm up to the challenge. While I'm "technical", I'm not very "handy"; theres the very real fear of screwing something up that would be MUCH worse than having a pink/green hue.

Gack. Don't know what to do. May just buy the new bulb and hope for the best. I need it anyway. If it doesn't fix the color uniformity problems, I might decide THEN whether I want to pack the unit off to a fix-it place, open it up myself or simply live with it.
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That sounds reasonable. Good luck. Let us know how it turns out.

In A/V reproduction accuracy, there is no concept of "accounting for taste". We don't "pick" the level of bass any more than we get to pick the ending of a play. High fidelity is an unbiased, neutral, exact copy (or "reproduction") of the original source's tonal balance, timing, dynamics, etc..

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UPDATE on the current conversation: I've replaced the bulb (with an official Panasonic bulb purchased from B&H) and as I suspected, it's made no difference whatsoever in the color uniformity. There's still a distinct "pink" side and a distinct "green" side. I'll have to figure out whether I can live with it or take it in for servicing, but a new bulb definitely does NOT solve this issue.

However… the brightness of the new bulb is a revelation. My home theater went from 12-footlamberts (which is still within acceptable theatrical limits) to 17... and wow does it pop! Never even noticed the old bulb was particularly dim until the last ten hours or so, but I'm incredibly happy I pulled the trigger on the new one.

In the meantime, I'm still interested in any stories of people taking their projector for servicing, to solve the magenta/green color uniformity issues that develop over time. Hopefully stories with a happy ending!
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I'm afraid that if a new bulb, which you said was due anyways, didn't fix it then you may have burnt polarizer(s). That's a bummer and as far as I know costs hundreds (?) to fix.


If you found a good 4000 on the used market at least you'd know you had a brand new bulb waiting for it, which means another 4000 may be a good way to go.



Good luck.

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I know my ramblings about an old projector probably hold very little interest on these forums, but I wanted to conclude my story from the last few entries…

Ended up taking the projector to Digitron Electronics here in Los Angeles. They were great and very helpful, but didn't find anything "wrong" with the projector that could be fixed. No burnt polarizers, etc. They said the color uniformity issue I was observing was a problem with the "optical block" and that it would take $1200 to replace. Obviously, I wasn't going to do that when I could get a new ae8000 for $2000. Can't afford to do either right now.

Sooo… I'm living with the old projector with one side pink, one side green. Very annoying. Since I'm a cinematographer, I had a piece of 1/8 plus-green gel lying around, so I cut and placed it over a portion of the projector lens, thus "correcting" the magenta area. I've obviously lost some image integrity through the gel, since it's intended to be used in front of lighting units and is NOT meant to go in front of a lens. But the trade-off is worth it; it actually kinda worked. In fact, I may have to trade it out for 1/4 plus-green, since the magenta hue is so strong.
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My 4000 is doing the same thing. It's only noticeable of B&W movies. I can't say if the issue was there from day one, but now that I'm aware of it, it's unmistakable! :/ I live with it, because a new projector is out of the question right now!
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Well I hit 2,114 hours and I got the replace lamp indicator on. I ran in eco - mode for about 1,200 hrs.then switched to normal power. The lamp is still plenty bright. But I've noticed it takes longer to get to full brightness when it's first fired up.

Has anybody ordered a replacement lamp from staples.com. They have it advertised at $330. I am wondering if it's the genuine Panasonic replacement lamp?

http://m.staples.com/touch/product.h...st=a#IM1BX9994
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Well I hit 2,114 hours and I got the replace lamp indicator on. I ran in eco - mode for about 1,200 hrs.then switched to normal power. The lamp is still plenty bright. But I've noticed it takes longer to get to full brightness when it's first fired up.

Has anybody ordered a replacement lamp from staples.com. They have it advertised at $330. I am wondering if it's the genuine Panasonic replacement lamp?

http://m.staples.com/touch/product.h...st=a#IM1BX9994
Not sure about staples, but I just got a replacement lamp for my AE7000 from ProjectPeople.com. It came in a Panasonic box and is definitely genuine (filter, instructions, etc).
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Question

Two questions.

How well will this projector do in a room with no light but only the screen wall is painted dark. And the ~1.1 gain 16:9 screen size is 132" diagonal (115" wide). Using highest contrast modes.
EDIT: Found a thread on this subject here:
Panasonic PT-AE4000 & 140" Wide 59" High 2:40 Screen -Too Big?

Also, how does it stack up against the much brighter BenQ W1070?
I haven't found any comparisons yet. The W1070 is brighter but lacks everything else the AE4000 has.

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Two questions.

How well will this projector do in a room with no light but only the screen wall is painted dark. And the ~1.1 gain 16:9 screen size is 132" diagonal (115" wide). Using highest contrast modes.
EDIT: Found a thread on this subject here:
Panasonic PT-AE4000 & 140" Wide 59" High 2:40 Screen -Too Big?

Also, how does it stack up against the much brighter BenQ W1070?
I haven't found any comparisons yet. The W1070 is brighter but lacks everything else the AE4000 has.
You do realize that this projector is 5 year old tech and the last one shipped from the factory in March 2012?

Any new AE4000 projector you find will likely be overpriced ($2400) for what you get. I would look for something more current for that much money.

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You do realize that this projector is 5 year old tech and the last one shipped from the factory in March 2012?

Any new AE4000 projector you find will likely be overpriced ($2400) for what you get. I would look for something more current for that much money.
G, I'm not looking at new projectors.
I'm looking at The AE4000 for its 2:40 powered zoom lens memory.
Nice low hour units can be found in the $1000-$1200 range which is at the extreme limit of my projector budget.

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6 months after my lamp light came on I put another 200 hours on the projector. Last night when I was watching a movie it went blank to black.
Looks like a red light was on the projector. I restarted it and yellow light was on the projector. Movie played for like 2 mins then went black. The projector has like 2745 hours on it now. I was under the impression the lamp would dim and light loss over time as I have heard some on this forum with over 4000hrs on their projectors I suspect this is normal and it is time to replace the lamp on it now right? Was hoping it would have lasted to tax time not right before Christmas.

Was thinking of selling it and buying the PT-AE8000 today great deals on those. But i will digress and think about replacement in 4-5 years.
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6 months after my lamp light came on I put another 200 hours on the projector. Last night when I was watching a movie it went blank to black.
Looks like a red light was on the projector. I restarted it and yellow light was on the projector. Movie played for like 2 mins then went black. The projector has like 2745 hours on it now. I was under the impression the lamp would dim and light loss over time as I have heard some on this forum with over 4000hrs on their projectors I suspect this is normal and it is time to replace the lamp on it now right? Was hoping it would have lasted to tax time not right before Christmas.

Was thinking of selling it and buying the PT-AE8000 today great deals on those. But i will digress and think about replacement in 4-5 years.
Replace the lamp or reset the timer.

All lamps lose brightness over time that is how the lifetime of a lamp is determined. Most Panasonic projectors are rated for 2000 hours operating in regular mode and 3000 hours in eco-mode. You can run a lamp well past 3000 hours but it's not recommended. The bulb could shatter littering the inside of your projector with pieces or it could die quietly by failing to power up. It's a roll of the dice.

The quality of the picture projected has deteriorated over your 2745 hours of use, the brightness and color pop of the projector will return to new after a lamp replacement. Buy a Panasonic OEM lamp not a cheap generic clone.

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Replace the lamp or reset the timer.

All lamps lose brightness over time that is how the lifetime of a lamp is determined. Most Panasonic projectors are rated for 2000 hours operating in regular mode and 3000 hours in eco-mode. You can run a lamp well past 3000 hours but it's not recommended. The bulb could shatter littering the inside of your projector with pieces or it could die quietly by failing to power up. It's a roll of the dice.

The quality of the picture projected has deteriorated over your 2745 hours of use, the brightness and color pop of the projector will return to new after a lamp replacement. Buy a Panasonic OEM lamp not a cheap generic clone.
Thank you Mr. G I will be ordering one today. I was thinking there would be some Black Friday or Cyber Monday % off but I didnt see none. I will order it from Provantage it looks like they are the cheapest right now.
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Replace the lamp or reset the timer.

All lamps lose brightness over time that is how the lifetime of a lamp is determined. Most Panasonic projectors are rated for 2000 hours operating in regular mode and 3000 hours in eco-mode. You can run a lamp well past 3000 hours but it's not recommended. The bulb could shatter littering the inside of your projector with pieces or it could die quietly by failing to power up. It's a roll of the dice.

The quality of the picture projected has deteriorated over your 2745 hours of use, the brightness and color pop of the projector will return to new after a lamp replacement. Buy a Panasonic OEM lamp not a cheap generic clone.
One thing I forgot to ask anyone on this forum that might be able to answer this question. I ran my projector in Eco-mode up until 2500 hours or so. Then switched it to Normal mode in Vivid setting to get the most pop of what was remaining on my lamp. Of course that is what caused it to only last about 200 moire hours.
Now my specific question is for the 2500 hours I ran it in Cinema 2 I believe. When they rate the hours on these lamps at 2000 in normal and 3000 in eco-mode does it matter what setting. If I was to run it on a more Vivid setting which is putting out more foot lamberts does that use up more of the lamp quicker and reduce the lamp life?? I hope I got that across ok. I dont know all the terminology

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One thing I forgot to ask anyone on this forum that might be able to answer this question. I ran my projector in Eco-mode up until 2500 hours or so. Then switched it to Normal mode in Vivid setting to get the most pop of what was remaining on my lamp. Of course that is what caused it to only last about 200 moire hours.

Now my specific question is for the 2500 hours I ran it in Cinema 2 I believe. When they rate the hours on these lamps at 2000 in normal and 3000 in eco-mode does it matter what setting. If I was to run it on a more Vivid setting which is putting out more foot lamberts does that use up more of the lamp quicker and reduce the lamp life?? I hope I got that across ok. I dont know all the terminology

Any advise that ones might now chime in.
Using the lamp in regular does shorten the life of the lamp since it is using more power and outputting more light than in eco-mode, hence the difference in lifetime hours. The lamps are not rated using Vivid versus Cinema or any other presentation mode. Ideally you set up your projector in whatever mode is best suited to your home theater.

Once the lamp got beyond 2500 hours I doubt there was much difference in light output once you switched from eco-mode to regular mode since it was nearing end of life.

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Using the lamp in regular does shorten the life of the lamp since it is using more power and outputting more light than in eco-mode, hence the difference in lifetime hours. The lamps are not rated using Vivid versus Cinema or any other presentation mode. Ideally you set up your projector in whatever mode is best suited to home theater.

Once the lamp got beyond 2500 hours I doubt there was much difference in light output once you switched from eco-mode to regular mode since it was nearing end of life.
You are correct there was a huge difference when switching from eco-mode to normal but switching from vivid to Cinema 2 you could see a difference in brightness. Since they are not rated in Vivid. Does Vivid use more of the lamp life up?
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You are correct there was a huge difference when switching from eco-mode to normal but switching from vivid to Cinema 2 you could see a difference in brightness. Since they are not rated in Vivid. Does Vivid use more of the lamp life up?
I doubt it.

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I doubt it.
Sorry I meant to say there wasnt a huge difference in eco-mode to normal. That was a typo
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Sorry I meant to say there wasnt a huge difference in eco-mode to normal. That was a typo
Yes, I understood. Take a look at the link I posted in my previous reply.

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