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Got mine will have it hung tomorrow!
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Looks like the 8500UB has some more competition. For those wanting LCOS, LG has a new model with $2499 street price.

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I googled it, and found a review that said the LG was "too bright" for smaller screen sizes (less than 120) . Is that possible?

They directly compared it to the Epson. The LG was brighter, with more 'pop' and better contrast in medium to bright scenes, but the CFI was rough around the edges (preproduction model), the blacks weren't very black on SD content, and not as black on dark scenes...

Who knows, there's always something better around the corner. It is a bit more, unless they come out with a rebate as well.
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The LG is good news! It will increase competition and keep everyone on their toes. Who knows, maybe next year we'll have better projectors to chose from at lower prices. Keep 'em coming.
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Just hooked up the 8500. The good news, the iris on this unit sounds quiter than the 6500.

The bad news, there are appears to be waivy lines and such on images (on faces, and other surfaces) from time to time. It doesn't happen often, but they are there. It happens mostly on brighter scenes. Also, I don't think the skin tones and colors are as real as the 6500. The 8500 does have incredible blacks and when the artifacts don't show up, the picture is fantastic (especially on high def). The artifacts are ruining this pj for me though.
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Hey I have one on order. Who ever has one needs to post their 1st impressions. I haven't seen the 9500 yet.
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Just hooked up the 8500. The good news, the iris on this unit sounds quiter than the 6500.

The bad news [...] The artifacts are ruining this pj for me though.


I just ordered this yesterday; may or may not have before Xmas. it was either this or the 8100, and then I decided the extra coin would be worth it.

The Pany 4000 was never an option because it retails for 2999.99 here in Canada, which is quite scandalous when you consider that 1999.99 US is about 2100 CDN these days. Seriously Panasonic, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

But I digress. I was really looking forward to having my mind blown to smithereens by the sheer awesomeness of the 8500UB (I'm coming from a 640x480 Sharp from 1999, yes, a full decade ago), but what you wrote is FAR from encouraging..

so yes, "real" people who have it, please do post impressions!
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I was really looking forward to having my mind blown to smithereens by the sheer awesomeness of the 8500UB[/b] (I'm coming from a 640x480 Sharp from 1999, yes, a full decade ago), but what you wrote is FAR from encouraging..

so yes, "real" people who have it, please do post impressions!

I agree, I am confused with the owners reviews of the 8500UB. Do I need to reconsider the AE4000 again. My mind was set on the 8500UB.

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this amazes me. The exact same thing happens over and over. It happened on the Panny 4000 threads. Everyone is anxious and excited, and then one guy posts about a dust blob/HDMI handshake issues/image issues/whatever and people start worrying, jumping ship, and doubting.

This PJ has gotten great reviews from multiple sources. If this were a systemic issue I think someone would say something.

Personally, it sounds like some kind of EMI/noise/ground loop issue. Esp since it only happens with the set top box and not Blu-Ray. Or the unit could be bad, but I wouldn't assume it's a series wide problem just yet.

I'm sure it's very frustrating though to have to trouble shoot. Wavy lines associated with one specific source though sounds like interference to me and not inherent PJ issues. It will be good to hear other people's experience with the same set top box.

Mine is here. The box is nice and shiny. I may not get it out of the box for the next week unfortunately
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Mine is here. The box is nice and shiny. I may not get it out of the box for the next week unfortunately

you are one patient person, lemme tell ya! the moment mine arrives, everything else gets dropped off the priority list
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my brother is graduating (across the country) from grad school... maybe I'll take the PJ with me on the plane...

Trust me, I'm normally opening the box while it's still in the delivery guy's hands.
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One of the things that bothered me about my 6500UB was the very visible image noise. It was much more evident than on my Sanyo Z2000. Not sure why - but it was clear on a lot of content - blu ray and HDTV. Don't know if these are the 'artifacts' being mentioned but I thought I'd just add my 2 cents.
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Okay, I couldn't resist. Set it up on my Porter Paints Sage green screen and watched Iron Man BR. Fantastic. I am thrilled with the PQ. Amazed at the blacks. Didn't touch the zoom, from where the PJ sat, the image was 104" wide. I don't know what thediagonal is, but it looked great (a little green from the wall behind it, but not much.)

I won't get to try it again for a while but no complaints. I think I need to consider a bigger screen. Right now I'm thinking 106" diagonal, but maybe I could go bigger. We sat closer tonight than we will in the basement.
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Be careful going bigger. Im' not saying don't do it but evaluate all the factors. Your nice bright picture now is with a new bulb. As it ages it will be 1/2 as bright. Keep these things in mind when choosing a screen.

1. Don't go bigger if you are going to sacrifice audio (ie push speakers too close to the wall or corner, or make the height differences too great between center and fronts) AT screens will typically solve these problems.

2. Evaluate your viewing conditions and preferences. (color of room, ambient light, etc.)

3. Bulbs age! Plan your brightness levels for the end of the bulb life or plan to buy bulbs more frequently.

4. Determine type and gain of screen to achieve the above 3.

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Got the call today. My store manager says it will be end on Monday at his store on Tuesday. But I'm waiting till christmas morning before I pop the box.

Waiting on others to start posting. I picked up the $150 Monster HDMI cables, but a little concerned with 35 foot length. I only needed 25 feet but Monster jumps from 16 to 35 feet.
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Got the call today. My store manager says it will be end on Monday at his store on Tuesday. But I'm waiting till christmas morning before I pop the box.

Waiting on others to start posting. I picked up the $150 Monster HDMI cables, but a little concerned with 35 foot length. I only needed 25 feet but Monster jumps from 16 to 35 feet.

You should take the monster cable back and order the Belden series 1 from Bluejeans cables.

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Or monoprice. 40' cable for less than a third of the monster. Unless you just really want to pay more for the shiny packaging

I have plenty of room. The wall is 15'8" wide. Dark brown walls and wall to wall walnut entertainment center (that is when I get around to building it.)

the room is a cave, although will be doing some sporting events. I think I can go 110 without significantly moving the speakers. I was veiwing last night in Eco mode theater 1 black. I can always go to normal lamp, living room, or dynamic to pump up the brightness. Originally I was afraid 110 would be too big for comfortable veiwing. I don't think so now.
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Any mount recommendations?
I was thinking about a Projector-Gear mount since the mounting plates are custom made for each projector and reasonable affordable (I'm done with universal mounts after some recent experiences.) However, I'm unsure of the build quality of these mounts.
I looked into a Chief- but finding the right model number to fit the 8500UB has been a huge hassle.
Any suggestions?
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Any mount recommendations? I looked into a Chief- but finding the right model number to fit the 8500UB has been a huge hassle.

Chief has a univeral mount that utilizes four swingarms. Works great on the 8500UB and pretty much any other projector you can think of.
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I am with Another Dad. The Chief universal mount is the way to go. Absolutely the last ceiling mount I will have to buy for any projector I can imagine. You might want to go up in the attic (as I did) and screw in an extra stud or two to make sure it has something really solid to screw into. Consider getting the extension tube if you have a higher than average ceiling.
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I am using the chief universal. If you want specific, the chassis is the same as the 6500UB. I haven't actually used it yet. Next week hopefully.
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I'm just curious what aspect ratio screen size you guys are planning to go with? 1:78, 1:85 or 2:35? Any thoughts on going with something like a 2:05? Thanks
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Or monoprice. 40' cable for less than a third of the monster. Unless you just really want to pay more for the shiny packaging

I have plenty of room. The wall is 15'8" wide. Dark brown walls and wall to wall walnut entertainment center (that is when I get around to building it.)

the room is a cave, although will be doing some sporting events. I think I can go 110 without significantly moving the speakers. I was veiwing last night in Eco mode theater 1 black. I can always go to normal lamp, living room, or dynamic to pump up the brightness. Originally I was afraid 110 would be too big for comfortable veiwing. I don't think so now.

Just FYI..........

I belong to the "you can't make it too big" clan... I am currently using a 135" screen and feel it is a little too small (current room is 16.5' x 13'). I messed up the front stage (built it a little too high) in my new theater room (20' x 23') that holds two of my subs and center channel and have no limited myself to a 150" screen.... wah! I was counting on being able to use a 165."

Everyone's opinions are not the same, but I like a "really" immersive experience.

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Just installed my 8500. PQ is amazing, I can't believe the black levels. I haven't done any tweaking yet and I'm already quite happy. The black levels blow away the 3 year old DLP I had temporarily. Fan and iris noise were more than I had expected, but I had no audio on and they were only noticeable because I was listening for them. You can clear see where corners were cut. It's not in the imaging, but the lens shift mechanism isn't as precise as one would want. Then again, you only need to adjust that once.

Bang for the buck, this PJ has it where it counts. It's a huge winner in my book. I'll give a more detailed review after I have some time to play.
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I am with Another Dad. The Chief universal mount is the way to go. Absolutely the last ceiling mount I will have to buy for any projector I can imagine. You might want to go up in the attic (as I did) and screw in an extra stud or two to make sure it has something really solid to screw into. Consider getting the extension tube if you have a higher than average ceiling.

Thanks for all the suggestions, even though, after all that, I ignored them.
I really liked the Chief mounts, but I don't want a universal mount (I despise my current universal mount) and had the worst time finding the custom application for the 8500 (yes, I checked the 6500 also.)
As such, I just ended up purchasing a Projector-Gear mount. It seems servicable and, for the price, seems like a good product. Actually, I'm shocked that any custom-fit product can be purchased for the price of the Projector-Gear mounts.
Hopefully I won't be disappointed.
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got mine, but no screen. lol hope to be mostly done with the theater next weekend.

my one problem is the UPC on the box has been torn in half. i blame fedex and not visual apex. these upc's are all the same and the serial number is unique correct? if so, can someone send me or post the upc so i can complete the rebate. the serial number survived just fine.

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Well?!?

Besides my foray into the world of HDCP/HDMI it is a work of art - It is absolutely stunning
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I googled it, and found a review that said the LG was "too bright" for smaller screen sizes (less than 120) . Is that possible?

They directly compared it to the Epson. The LG was brighter, with more 'pop' and better contrast in medium to bright scenes, but the CFI was rough around the edges (preproduction model), the blacks weren't very black on SD content, and not as black on dark scenes...

Who knows, there's always something better around the corner. It is a bit more, unless they come out with a rebate as well.

On some settings the 8500UB is too bright and causes eye strain. I had a PLV-70 clone that was in measured terms brighter but this seems much brighter and I use it on the Eco setting most of the time. I definitely would rather have the headroom for the brightness though.
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I just ordered this yesterday; may or may not have before Xmas. it was either this or the 8100, and then I decided the extra coin would be worth it.

The Pany 4000 was never an option because it retails for 2999.99 here in Canada, which is quite scandalous when you consider that 1999.99 US is about 2100 CDN these days. Seriously Panasonic, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

But I digress. I was really looking forward to having my mind blown to smithereens by the sheer awesomeness of the 8500UB (I'm coming from a 640x480 Sharp from 1999, yes, a full decade ago), but what you wrote is FAR from encouraging..

so yes, "real" people who have it, please do post impressions!

If I can get it to sync up right - this projector will be nothing short of awesome - for the price it is unbelievable.

If I can get it to sync up right.
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