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Well I had been wavering over whether it was time to upgrade my Optoma HD72 or not for the last couple of weeks, but finally broke down and placed an order. The fact that J&R has 5% back from Bing and 10% from Amazon's PayPhrase until Dec 31st spurred me into action. Now I'm stuck with waiting.

P.S. These forums are really bad for your wallet. I had planned to only upgrade my receiver, but the disease spread.
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I know the answer to this question is somewhere.

Anyway, the Panasonic 4000 (and 3000) was highly toughted because it could display 2:35 images as well as 1.78.

When I watched the video on Youtube about how this works, it looked to me like there was a 2:35 image on a 2:35 screen and that the Panny's motorized zoom just zoomed out to fill the screen thus avoiding black bars.

Couldn't you do the same thing with the 8500? I know it doesn't have the memory or motorized zooming feature, but if you were playing a 2:35 movie and had a 2:35 screen; couldn't you just manually zoom out the picture until the black bars are gone?

I've never been able to figure out why this feature was always listed as one of the best features about the Panasonic or maybe I'm not understanding how the Panny does this.

I thought about getting a 2:05 screen and being able to watch HDTV broadcasts knowing that I would have blank areas on either side of the image (which I could just mask off with black felt or something).

Then when I watched a 2:35 movie, I could zoom out the image manually, so that I could get a decent widescreen image and the black bars would be greatly minimized vs using a 16x9 screen and having huge black bars at the top and bottom.

Am I right about what the Panasonic does over other projectors? Is my idea of getting an "in between" screen a good idea or not?

Thanks!!
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Got my 8500 and can't wait get it up n runnin. However, need a screen and going wacko trying to sort through all of the products. Want a 110-120 inch diagonal, ceiling mount, electric, tensioned screen for room with burgandy walls, dark mahogany wood floor, medium beige ceiling, ambient light controllable with mostly evening movie/tv watching with some daytime viewing (super bowl party, i.e.). Budget is $0.00 to several thousand, if product is worth the price. Does anyone have any recommmendations for specific products. I've researched so many and I'm totally lost.
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I know the answer to this question is somewhere.

Anyway, the Panasonic 4000 (and 3000) was highly toughted because it could display 2:35 images as well as 1.78.

When I watched the video on Youtube about how this works, it looked to me like there was a 2:35 image on a 2:35 screen and that the Panny's motorized zoom just zoomed out to fill the screen thus avoiding black bars.

Couldn't you do the same thing with the 8500? I know it doesn't have the memory or motorized zooming feature, but if you were playing a 2:35 movie and had a 2:35 screen; couldn't you just manually zoom out the picture until the black bars are gone?

I've never been able to figure out why this feature was always listed as one of the best features about the Panasonic or maybe I'm not understanding how the Panny does this.

I thought about getting a 2:05 screen and being able to watch HDTV broadcasts knowing that I would have blank areas on either side of the image (which I could just mask off with black felt or something).

Then when I watched a 2:35 movie, I could zoom out the image manually, so that I could get a decent widescreen image and the black bars would be greatly minimized vs using a 16x9 screen and having huge black bars at the top and bottom.

Am I right about what the Panasonic does over other projectors? Is my idea of getting an "in between" screen a good idea or not?

Thanks!!

Yes, it will work as you have enough zoom range to do it. Panny will give you autodetection and memory for up to 6 aspect ratios (however it only autodetects between 2 preselected).
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I know the answer to this question is somewhere.

Anyway, the Panasonic 4000 (and 3000) was highly toughted because it could display 2:35 images as well as 1.78.

When I watched the video on Youtube about how this works, it looked to me like there was a 2:35 image on a 2:35 screen and that the Panny's motorized zoom just zoomed out to fill the screen thus avoiding black bars.

Couldn't you do the same thing with the 8500? I know it doesn't have the memory or motorized zooming feature, but if you were playing a 2:35 movie and had a 2:35 screen; couldn't you just manually zoom out the picture until the black bars are gone?

I've never been able to figure out why this feature was always listed as one of the best features about the Panasonic or maybe I'm not understanding how the Panny does this.

I thought about getting a 2:05 screen and being able to watch HDTV broadcasts knowing that I would have blank areas on either side of the image (which I could just mask off with black felt or something).

Then when I watched a 2:35 movie, I could zoom out the image manually, so that I could get a decent widescreen image and the black bars would be greatly minimized vs using a 16x9 screen and having huge black bars at the top and bottom.

Am I right about what the Panasonic does over other projectors? Is my idea of getting an "in between" screen a good idea or not?

Thanks!!

The answer to your question is yes, the Panasonic works just as you thought and yes, the Epson will allow you to do the same thing manually.

I guess the advantage of the Panasonic method is that if you can't reach the controls easily...say ceiling mount, then it is better. It also allows you to fine tune the focus and save the adjustment.
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How is the lens shift on the 8500? I noticed people complaining about the 8100. I'm upgrading from a Sanyo Z4. I wanted the panny 4000 but the lens shift isn't adequate for my HT. The Z4's short throw and lens shift were perfect for my problem HT space. Can anyone tell me how the LS compares to the Z4? I use a large amount of vertical shift, and a decent amount of horizontal shift. I am mountin my pj on a side wall over the head of the viewer on the right side of my room. I have low 6 1/2 ceilings in my basement theater. The lens is parallel to the outer 1/8th of the screen and the upper 1/4 of the screen. Thanks.
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How is the lens shift on the 8500?

Read the user's manual which is available online. It gives detailed info regarding lens shift capabilities.
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How is the lens shift on the 8500? I noticed people complaining about the 8100. I'm upgrading from a Sanyo Z4. I wanted the panny 4000 but the lens shift isn't adequate for my HT. The Z4's short throw and lens shift were perfect for my problem HT space. Can anyone tell me how the LS compares to the Z4? I use a large amount of vertical shift, and a decent amount of horizontal shift. I am mountin my pj on a side wall over the head of the viewer on the right side of my room. I have low 6 1/2 ceilings in my basement theater. The lens is parallel to the outer 1/8th of the screen and the upper 1/4 of the screen. Thanks.

The lens shift is about the same as the Z4...when you mess with one direction...up or down...the other direction goes a little off. Once you get the feet where you want them it's not too bad. It makes a clicking on the adjustment when you are close to center. The grid pattern helps a lot. I had to use a little overscan on my satellite signal.

I'm curious...the AE4000 has just as much throw and lens shift range as the Z4 or 8500UB as far as I know.
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The zoom and lens shift capabilities of the 8500 are pretty good. However, I'm glad that is something you only have to do once. As Tup mentioned, they are not the most precise. When you get the horizontal just right and then adjust the vertical, your horizontal moves so you have to learn to over compensate. With a bit of playing you can dial it in, but this isn't something your going to want to do on the fly.

Fan noise is more than I would have hoped, but not bad. I need to check my air flow and make sure that isn't part of the problem. My Projector is stuffed into a nook and it might be on the supply side.

That's the bad. The good news is that the image is amazing. Contrast and color are unreal. My wife commented on how much depth there was in the image. I have yet to see any real artifacts and have now watched a fair bit of DVD source material and some 1080P delivered from a Mac Mini. We tried frame interpolation, but didn't like what it did to film. It was too nice, not cinematic enough for us. I imagine on sports or TV content it would be amazing.

Overall, I am extremely happy with this PJ. I can get over setup issues and I'm glad they spent more on the image engine.
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Well, no one has posted a good ol' fashioned unboxing yet, so here goes...



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Does anybody know if the 8500UB is the same thing as the TW4500? Epson like to rename the same product in different countries
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Does anybody know if the 8500UB is the same thing as the TW4500? Epson like to rename the same product in different countries

Well, that's a good question. Somehow they seem to be different. In North America the 9500 and 8500 are the same as far as video quality and specs are concerned....but the in Europe the tw4500 shows lower contrast and in Australia...it shows it's missing some of the things the 5500(9500UB) has

http://www.aboutprojectors.com/news/...-in-australia/

Very strange.
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Well, that's a good question. Somehow they seem to be different. In North America the 9500 and 8500 are the same as far as video quality and specs are concerned....but the in Europe the tw4500 shows lower contrast and in Australia...it shows it's missing some of the things the 5500(9500UB) has

http://www.aboutprojectors.com/news/...-in-australia/

Very strange.

Yeah here in Australia the 2 have almost identical specifications. Only difference seems to be warranty and projector noise (which is weird because with the same brightness/contrast etc specs you'd think lamp power/noise would be the same too)

Well I'm sure the Epson 4500 is still the way to go here..
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I believe it's going to be named the TW5500. The 6500ub = TW5000. So mostly likely the TW4500 is another lower spec projector altogether.
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Ok, since I post the unboxing pics, here it is mounted and hung...


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I guess I'm done posting in this thread as I've notice that, despite the fact that this thread is technically in the correct forum. all the hubbub is over at the thread in the $3,000+ MSRP thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1176135
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I received my 8500UB last Friday. I've owned the past 2 years of Epson projectors (1080UB, 6500UB) and now the 8500UB. Compared to Epson's first offering, this projector is leaps and bounds better. Compared to the 6500UB the quality is not much better. I paid for the QA from Jason and the calibration so I was expecting it to be night and day vs my 6500UB since I calibrated it myself.

Overall the colors are more defined and everything just looks "proper" but I think the same could of been had with the 6500UB. In terms of light output, I am a little disappointed because I figured the 8500UB would of been a lot brighter then the 6500UB. I would say it is a tad brighter, but not a huge difference from the 1080UB to the 6500UB. I also notice the fan on the 8500UB a lot more then I did on the 6500UB. When you turn the 8500UB on high light output, the fan kicks in and you can really hear it. I do not remember ever hearing my 6500UB's fan except when you turned it on and off.

The FI is definitely improved over the 6500UB on High mode. Before it would stutter and artifact even with the new 1.9 firmware, but the 8500UB has no real issues at all on any of the content I watched. I turned it on high for Terminator Salvation and was amazed at what it did for that movie (not preferred all the time, but fun to watch once in awhile.)

Overall I am happy with the purchase and once again AVS was awesome from the ordering process all the way to delivery.
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If the 8500UB is better than my 7500UB then this is going to be one stinking hot projector! I can't believe how good projectors like the Epsons and Panasonics are now. I am seriously tempted to sell my G90 while it still has some value.

I ordered one last week and it arrived today. It is going to sit under my 9500 for daily viewing.

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I ordered one last week and it arrived today. It is going to sit under my 9500 for daily viewing.

I'm assuming you don't mean you have two epson projectors...an 8500 and a 9500?
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My 8500UB is shipping out tomorrow. I don't know if i'll be able to mount it before I move though.

Can anyone recommend a mount for it?
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I'm assuming you don't mean you have two epson projectors...an 8500 and a 9500?

He means his Marquee 9500LC CRT projector.
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Alrighty! Fellow Epson lovers!!

My 8500UB arrives tomorrow! I'm working with a PS3 connected to an Onkyo 605 via HDMI which runs to the projector via HDMI.

I'm so overwhelmed by all 3 components' bells/whistles/abilities that I'm not sure where to start. What settings should be turned on/off?? Specifically the video processing settings for all 3.

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Received my 8500 from Focused Technology (they were great to deal with) on Christmas Eve and am finally getting around to posting my experience thus far. Needless to say I've been watching a LOT of movies!

First off, to put this in perspective, I've upgraded from a Sony VPL-HS20, Circa 2004 so needless to say the upgrade is HUGE. Funny thing is, I paid $3000 for my HS20 and $2500 for my 8500UB, technology remains the one thing that seems to get better and cheaper at the same time. Sent off my $200 rebate so hopefully that will work out ok, I've had my issues with rebates in the past.

Anyway, mounting and setup was a piece of cake... I use a Chief mount so bought the universal adapter plate and setup that up. Should prove useful when I upgrade in the future. The one thing that I encountered that had me scratching my head for a bit was the fact that there is no geometry adjustment in the Epson. My Sony naturally was mounted at an angle pointing more or less directly at the screen. The Sony also has a centered lens. Placing the 8500 in the same position as the sony I was able to get the screen filled and positioned with lens shift fine, but had a significant trapezoid with no way to adjust it. It then dawned on me that lens shift takes care of all of that..... just mount the Epson perfectly level and you get a perfectly straight picture. Pretty cool!

Out of the box, THX mode... I'm simply blown away. Now I've gone from a 1080i 1100:1 contrast to a 1080p 200,000:1 contrast so of course major major jump, but the difference is no less drastic than moving from a picture tube SD set to an LCD HD set. I've gone back and watch a number of my 'dark' movies and am having quite a difficult time wiping the grin off my face! It's fantastic!!! Smooth, sharp, no screen door effect, inky blacks, fantastic shadow detail. Even the wife has been ooh'in and aah'in over it!!

As far as fine tuning and adjusting the picture... I've not touched a thing though I know there is room for improvement with some calibration etc. I've played with the Frame Interpolation setting some and love it on CGI Animated films... but just as I've experienced with my 7000 series Samsung LCD... do not care for it on films.

One thing I've noticed is that I do not have the option for the 4:4 conversion... it's grayed out. This may be due to my source, I'm driving this with a Networked Media Tank (ie Popcorn Hour) so it may be sending a signal that does not allow for (or need) the 4:4 pulldown. I should say the HDMI signal is first going through a Denon 3310CI but I've turned off all video processing from it, should be in 'passthrough' mode.

I do not have a gaming console (well I have a Wi, but no 'real' consoles) so can not comment on performance there as far as lag etc. I am tossing around the idea of picking up a PS3 to have a physical blu-ray player as well as a little gaming, but I've heard from a picture quality standpoint they are not the best choice for blu-ray? Speed wise they are supposed to kill any stand alone player as far as loading blu-rays, menus etc. Have also considered the Samsung that can do the Netflix streaming, that might be nice to have.

As far as noise, I'd say it is quieter than my HS20 but I have noticed the iris sound people mention.. that coffee maker sound etc. It's subtle and can easily be 'tuned out' but it is there and 'different'.

My next step is going to be to start tweaking some settings. I may go ahead and spend the $ on a pro calibration as well.

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I've upgraded from a Sony VPL-HS20, I'm simply blown away.

Now I've gone from a 1080i 1100:1 contrast to a 1080p 200,000:1 contrast

Tom the HS-20 is a native 720p LCD projector... 1280 x 720.... just FYI.

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Tom the HS-20 is a native 720p LCD projector... 1280 x 720.... just FYI.

Absolutely... I always ran it in 1080i mode, but it was 720p native, big difference in native resolution for sure.

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I've got my 8500 ghetto-mounted on an ironing board against the wall because I couldn't wait. I was gonna build a shelf but decided to say screw it and order a mount. Anyway, I've been enjoying it since wednesday. I think i've got like 30 hours on it. I'm projecting on a primed wall with pastel underneath in a room with white ceilings, but the image is still gorgeous.

One question though....

I was playing the Rambo II blu-ray last night and noticed lip-sync issues. I turned all image processing off (frame interpolation, etc) and I still had problems. This is the first disc I've noticed an issue with. The source is a ps3 running the latest firmware. I use optical out for audio and the hdmi goes straight from the ps3 to the 8500.
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One question though....

I was playing the Rambo II blu-ray last night and noticed lip-sync issues. I turned all image processing off (frame interpolation, etc) and I still had problems. This is the first disc I've noticed an issue with. The source is a ps3 running the latest firmware. I use optical out for audio and the hdmi goes straight from the ps3 to the 8500.

Is it only the Rambo disc? If so it's an issue with the player/disc combination not the display.
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love my 8500 but the living room setting is a bit bright and over saturated and the thx is a step too far down. any idea how to get something in between? anyone posted calibration settings?
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