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What triggered this DIY project?
Panasonic PT-AE4000U provides Auto Detection of Aspect ratio and can be set to utilize 2 lens memory locations to switch between scope and "normal" AR.
This is great feature for CIH but it's limited to only 2 ARs. On my projector I setup the following ARs under Lens Memory:
1:1.78 (16x9)
1:2.40 (scope, also handle the 1:2.35)
1:1.85
1:1.33 (4x3)
1:2.20
The auto detection will switch to 1.78 for "normal" or non scope material and 1:2.40 for scope, anything else can be done "manually". Ie: if you watch 1:1.85 material, the PJ will switch to 16x9 (my curtains will close) but I still see small black bars at the top and bottom. When I press 1:1.85 button, Panny will zoom in a bit to eliminate the bars completely.

Since access to Lens Memory Locations require going through Menu options I decided to solve it using RS232.

I am using Harmony 1000 remote which can be easily programmed but this short tutorial will apply to virtually any universal remote control.

After googling the Net for IR to RS232 solutions I found several DIY (PIC programming) and very few commercial solutions. One of them, the least expensive is made by IndustroLogic and it's called IR232. This unit is capable of decoding Sony's SIRCS format and mapping each command to string of your choice to be send over RS232.
Technically, this is 2 way unit, so you could also generate IR commands but such functionality is not required for this exercise.
The IR232 needs to be connected to the Panny using Null modem cable, practically you can just use 3 wires from a CAT5/6 cable and connect them to pins 2,3,5 of rs232 male connectors (on both ends). Since you need Null modem, you need to make sure that you cross pins 2 and 3 across!

Now, let me get to the fun part: programming
In order for IR232 to send the correct commands (strings) over RS232 you need to program it accordingly. Since IR232 is decoding only Sony IR commands, you will need a Sony remote for a TV, VCR or really anything. You will just need this remote for half an hour to program your universal remote according to your mapping.
At first you need to decide which keys on Sony remote you will use and what PJ functionality will be mapped to it.
In this example, I used remote from some old Sony TV, below is the mapping for all keys: (your remote will most likely have less keys then below)

000 1 button
001 2 button
002 3 button
003 4 button
004 5 button
005 6 button
006 7 button
007 8 button
008 9 button
009 10 button/0 button
011 Enter
016 channel up
017 channel down
018 volume up
019 volume down
020 Mute
021 Power
022 Reset TV
023 Audio Mode:Mono/SAP/Stereo
024 Picture up
025 Picture down
026 Color up
027 Color down
030 Brightness up
031 Brightness down
032 Hue up
033 Hue down
034 Sharpness up
035 Sharpness down
036 Select TV tuner
038 Balance Left
039 Balance Right
041 Surround on/off
042 Aux/Ant
047 Power off
048 Time display
054 Sleep Timer
058 Channel Display
059 Channel jump
064 Select Input Video1
065 Select Input Video2
066 Select Input Video3
074 Noise Reduction on/off
078 Cable/Broadcast
079 Notch Filter on/off
088 PIP channel up
089 PIP channel down
091 PIP on
092 Freeze screen
094 PIP position
095 PIP swap
096 Guide
097 Video setup
098 Audio setup
099 Exit setup
107 Auto Program
112 Treble up
113 Treble down
114 Bass up
115 Bass down
116 + key
117 - key
120 Add channel
121 Delete channel
125 Trinitone on/off
127 Displays a red RtestS on the screen


Connect to IR232 using the supplied serial cable and start the terminal session on your PC or Mac (Hyperterminal or Minicom). Configure your connection to 9600bps 8-N-1 and start the session. Hit the key 3 times to get prompt on the IR232. You should see the following:
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Industrologic, Inc. IR232, infrared to RS-232 converter, version 1.0

Uses 12 bit Sony SIRCS protocol (5 bit Device code and 7 bit Function code).
Messages entered can be sent to serial port when specified IR codes are
received, or binary codes can be sent and received from IR to serial port.

Commands: (End commands with Enter key or abort/display menu with Escape key)
Mnnn=ddd,fff,[message] Set message, nnn=message number 1-127, ddd=Device code,
fff=Function Code 0-255. If either code is entered as "X", that code need not
match. [message] can be up to 60 upper and lower case characters including
control characters, which are represented by a decimal value enclosed with
braces, e.g., {13} for carriage return.
Mnnn Erase message, nnn=message number 1-127.
S=B,D,P Serial port setup, (B)aud rate is 0=19200, 1=9600, 2=4800, 3=2400,
4=1200, 5=600, 6=300, (D)ata bits, 8 or 7, (P)arity is 0=none,
1=odd, 2=even. D,P must be 8,0, 8,1, 8,2, 7,1, or 7,2.
O=M Operation, (M)ode is 0=messages, 1=one byte binary, 2=two byte binary.
D=ttt Delay required between IR receptions, ttt is 10th seconds, 0-50.
V View messages, mode, and delay.
X Exit back to normal operation.
T=ddd,fff,nnn Transmit IR code pair, ddd=Device Code, fff=Function Code,
nnn=number of pairs 1-255, or 0 for continuous.
(IR transmissions received at this menu are displayed as decimal codes.)

Cmd>

At this point you need to enter your mapping, you can use one from below (line by line)

O=0
D=2
M1=1,0,{2}PON{3}
M2=1,1,{2}POF{3}
M3=1,2,{2}IIS:HD1{3}
M4=1,3,{2}IIS:HD2{3}
M5=1,4,{2}IIS:CP1{3}
M6=1,5,{2}OMN{3}
M7=1,6,{2}OEN{3}
M8=1,7,{2}OBK{3}
M9=1,8,{2}OCU{3}
M10=1,9,{2}OCD{3}
M11=1,11,{2}OCL{3}
M12=1,16,{2}OCR{3}
M13=1,17,{2}OLE{3}
M14=1,18,{2}VPM:NOR{3}
M15=1,19,{2}VPM:CL1{3}
M16=1,20,{2}VPM:CN1{3}
M17=1,21,{2}VXX:LMLI0=+00000{3}
M18=1,22,{2}VXX:LMLI0=+00001{3}
M19=1,24,{2}VXX:LMLI0=+00002{3}
M20=1,25,{2}VXX:LMLI0=+00003{3}
M21=1,54,{2}VXX:LMLI0=+00004{3}
M22=1,23,{2}VXX:LMLI0=+00005{3}

Let me explain the syntax so it will help you to map your keys to Harmony
OFr example:
M4=1,3,{2}IIS:HD2{3} translates to
M4 = Memory Location 4; Sony Device ID =1 (TV); Key code =3 (button 4); {2} beginning of the rs232 command;
IIS:HD2 set input to HDMI 2 (see Panny Functional Instruction page 43); {3} end of the rs232 command

another one:
M1=1,0,{2}PON{3} translates to:
M1 = Memory Location 1; Sony Device ID =1 (TV); Key Code = 0 (button 1 on Sony's remote); {2} beginning of the rs232 command; PON = turn power on (see Panny Functional Instruction page 43); {3} end of rs232 command.

All your programming will be instantly stored in non-volatile flash memory.
Once you are done with all programming, enter X at the prompt to put IR232 into the normal operation mode and connect it to the projector. At this point you should have your Harmony already programmed and ready for testing.
If you used my example from above, button 1 on Sony's TV remote (or learnt button on your harmony) should turn the projector On and so on.

Enjoy,
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Brilliant !!!

You have opened up endless possibilities.

If you can relable the buttons on your remote, just program the remote as a standard Sony TV remote and relable the appropriate buttons to the corresponding functions of the Panny.

Thanks for sharing this with everyone.

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This is a great post! I hope you also posted it in the over $3000 and CIH forums.

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Brilliant !!!

You have opened up endless possibilities.

If you can relable the buttons on your remote, just program the remote as a standard Sony TV remote and relable the appropriate buttons to the corresponding functions of the Panny.

Thanks for sharing this with everyone.

Teecue

Yes, you could do that as well. With Harmony, you could just add a dummy device (Sony TV) and use programming from there. I just used the actual remote since I own some old Sony TV.
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Thank you for going to all the work to figure out all those codes for the IR232 to make it work with the Panasonic PT-AE4000U.

Just to let everyone know, you can create a plain text file that contains all of that information, and "upload" it to the IR232 (just like you were typing it in manually.)

You could actually copy and paste from this posting and save it as a file.

This will save a lot of time, and can be done both in HyperTerminal, and in Term232, which is a program that is included on the CD you get with the IR232.

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VirTerm,

Great post. Did you track down the RS232 docs for the Panasonic AE-4000U? I'd like to integrate it into our touchscreen interface.
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VirTerm,

Great post. Did you track down the RS232 docs for the Panasonic AE-4000U? I'd like to integrate it into our touchscreen interface.

All the codes are listed on the "second" manual available on the CD.
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Thank you for going to all the work to figure out all those codes for the IR232 to make it work with the Panasonic PT-AE4000U.

Just to let everyone know, you can create a plain text file that contains all of that information, and "upload" it to the IR232 (just like you were typing it in manually.)

You could actually copy and paste from this posting and save it as a file.

This will save a lot of time, and can be done both in HyperTerminal, and in Term232, which is a program that is included on the CD you get with the IR232.

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Gary,
Yes, I know but I am using Minicom on MacOS and I wasn't able to upload it to the unit. Which protocol should be used for that?
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Mac? Oops, I must admit to being a PC-centric kind of person.

The protocol is 9600, 8 bits, 1 stop, no parity.

The program I mentioned that we include, Term232, is just a dumb terminal program with a file upload feature.

Normally you would create a text file with the IR232 commands you want to upload. However, a text file has a carriage return and line feed at the end of each line.

If you were entering the commands by typing, the line feed would not be included, so Term232 strips off any line feed characters while uploading.

Any terminal emulator that can do this will work.
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Wojtek ----

Did you use a Sony "TV" in your setup for the IR232 or did you simply 'learn' additional IR commands for the Panny PT-AE4000 using a Sony remote as the 'instructor'?

The reason that I am asking is that I don't have access to Sony remote and would have to use one of the Sony TV's from the Harmony database as a foundation if I were to use the IR232. If I were to do this I don't know if it would allow me to keep BOTH the Sony and the Panny in the setup without confusing the automated portion of the Harmony setup which is geared toward a Source---->AV receiver------>Display type of setup. I know not how the setup routine is going to handle a second 'display'.
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Wojtek ----

Did you use a Sony "TV" in your setup for the IR232 or did you simply 'learn' additional IR commands for the Panny PT-AE4000 using a Sony remote as the 'instructor'?

The reason that I am asking is that I don't have access to Sony remote and would have to use one of the Sony TV's from the Harmony database as a foundation if I were to use the IR232. If I were to do this I don't know if it would allow me to keep BOTH the Sony and the Panny in the setup without confusing the automated portion of the Harmony setup which is geared toward a Source---->AV receiver------>Display type of setup. I know not how the setup routine is going to handle a second 'display'.

I just used the Sony remote as the "instructor", but I believe that either would work. You can add Sony TV to your PJ setup and perhaps all activities as well, I do not see why this method would not work. More complex to setup but it will work.
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Mac? Oops, I must admit to being a PC-centric kind of person.

The protocol is 9600, 8 bits, 1 stop, no parity.

The program I mentioned that we include, Term232, is just a dumb terminal program with a file upload feature.

Normally you would create a text file with the IR232 commands you want to upload. However, a text file has a carriage return and line feed at the end of each line.

If you were entering the commands by typing, the line feed would not be included, so Term232 strips off any line feed characters while uploading.

Any terminal emulator that can do this will work.

Hmm, I tired uploading with Kermit, actually with other optiosn available through Minicom and it seems to work but I did not see any change on the unit. I endup just typing everything manually.
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I just used the Sony remote as the "instructor", but I believe that either would work. You can add Sony TV to your PJ setup and perhaps all activities as well, I do not see why this method would not work. More complex to setup but it will work.
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Thanks for your reply. In looking over the commands that you programmed in, it appears that you are using the IR232 commands exclusively to control the Panny. Is this in fact,what you are doing? or are you using a combination of both the RS232 commands and Panny IR commands ?

A second question that I have in regards to the loading Lens Memories. I have written a macro for my Harmony which will switch between two lens positions. The problem with the macro is that the Lens Memory menu remains on the screen indefinitely unless you hit the 'return' button. You can't program in the 'return' button into the macro because the Panny does not respond to any IR signall until the "processing" is completed. My question is does any message that the RS-232 command (VXX:LMLIO=+00000) displays automatically disappear when the lens has completed its zoom and refocus?
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My question is does any message that the RS-232 command (VXX:LMLIO=+00000) displays automatically disappear when the lens has completed its zoom and refocus?

Yes. It still flashes "Processing" while adjusting the lens (I wish I could turn that off) but when it's done the message goes away and there is no further OSD from the projector.


Edit: my experience is with the AE3000, but I would be very surprised if the 4000 behaved differently in this regard.
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Thanks for your reply. In looking over the commands that you programmed in, it appears that you are using the IR232 commands exclusively to control the Panny. Is this in fact,what you are doing? or are you using a combination of both the RS232 commands and Panny IR commands ?

A second question that I have in regards to the loading Lens Memories. I have written a macro for my Harmony which will switch between two lens positions. The problem with the macro is that the Lens Memory menu remains on the screen indefinitely unless you hit the 'return' button. You can't program in the 'return' button into the macro because the Panny does not respond to any IR signall until the "processing" is completed. My question is does any message that the RS-232 command (VXX:LMLIO=+00000) displays automatically disappear when the lens has completed its zoom and refocus?

I only use rs232 commands via ir232, no direct infra red control.
As per your second question; if you use rs232 you will not get the "menu", yes you will see "processing" but this is all and it will be gone after the action is done.
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I only use rs232 commands via ir232, no direct infra red control.
As per your second question; if you use rs232 you will not get the "menu", yes you will see "processing" but this is all and it will be gone after the action is done.
Wojtek

Thanks to both Wojtek and wnl. I am serously thinking about getting one of these units after the first of the year. I did contact IndustroLogic and suggested that they get the IR232 included in the Harmony database of supported devices. The reply said that they would look into it. (I would imagine that they would have to provide the IR codes and associate each code with the appropriate memory position of the IR232 to Harmony.) Of course, this is the holiday season and I imagine that getting anything even started before the first of the year will be difficult.
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Thanks to both Wojtek and wnl. I am serously thinking about getting one of these units after the first of the year. I did contact IndustroLogic and suggested that they get the IR232 included in the Harmony database of supported devices. The reply said that they would look into it. (I would imagine that they would have to provide the IR codes and associate each code with the appropriate memory position of the IR232 to Harmony.) Of course, this is the holiday season and I imagine that getting anything even started before the first of the year will be difficult.

Well, they do not have their own vendor codes, they just decode Sony codes and then send rs232 data.
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Well, they do not have their own vendor codes, they just decode Sony codes and then send rs232 data.
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I don't think this should be an issue as there are a lot of TV brands that share the same IR codes. And I would imagine most of them are supported devices in Harmony's databases. (Remembering the instructions for programing universal remotes where it says to try all the codes if you can't find 'your TV listed"?)
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I have purchased the IR232 for use with my Panasonic PT-AE4000 projector and wanted to share my experience to date. I made the purchase with a bit of trepidation as I knew I would have to find a way to teach' my harmony remote the Sony TV IR codes that are used by the IR232. (The Industrologic IR 232 is not in the Harmony database of devices. I do consider this to be a significant obstacle to wide spread adoption for many AV applications as I will explain.)

The first thing which happened was NOT related to the IR232. My AE4000 developed a problem in the focusing system (This is another issue and will not be discussed further here) and had to be shipped off to an authorized repair facility the day before the IR232 was delivered.

I first considered adding a Sony TV as a device to the Harmony and even went as far as adding the Sony 55A3000 (that was my previous display device) as a device. As I looked through the list of IR commands for the 55A3000 on the Harmony and the ones listed by VirTERM, it became apparent that the similarity ended at the POWER command.

Plus, I had the fear that adding the 55A3000 to an activity would confuse the auto configuration at the Harmony website. They do seem to make certain assumptions about how such things as projectors and TV are (normally) used. I didn't want to screw-up all of the careful programming that I had done previously UNLESS it was the only alternative.

Ok, I have an extensive selection of both old and new remotes stored in a box. I went looking through the box and found a Sony universal remote (RM-V22) that I had purchased back in the 1990's. (It was before I had bought a DVD player as the only codes listed on it were for a TV, AV receiver and a VHS player.) Amazing thing about those types of universal remotes is that they basically will only perform the most basic functions--- turn the TV off/on, volume up/down, mute, channel up/down, and channel numbers, so you only have about 16 codes! (Unfortunately, I had sold the 55A3000 so that original remote was not available!)

I then remember that I had another Sony universal remote --- The Integrated Remote Command (RM-AV3000). I used this thing until I got the Harmony and I then forgot about it the way you try to do when you have a boil on the end of your nose. (If the people who complain about the Harmony being difficult to program should try THIS device and they would quickly call the Harmony heaven on earth!

The AV-3000 batteries were dead and it had lost all of its programming which meant that when I pushed the TV button, it had a generic Sony TV for the era when this thing was designed. Evidentially, Picture-in-Picture was a big thing then and there were a whole bunch of PIP functions listed--- PIP up, PIP dn, PIP on, and PIP swap, ect. The codes for these were all listed in VirTERM's listing! I copied his mapping table from this thread, pasted it into Notepad, edited the mapping with codes that were on the Sony AV3000. I then saved the file.

My main computer runs XP and has a serial port. I installed the IR232 software package from the Industrologic supplied disk and fired up term232. (The program doesn't seem to run properly if launched from the CD.) I spent a few minutes checking out the various options and then followed VirTERM's directions for uploading the mapping file.

I then used the Sony AV3000 to check that proper RS232 commands were sent for each IR command. The term232 program will display them on its screen. The only problem is that the Courier font that it uses is almost unreadable with an LCD monitor. Everything was correct in my case and I am SO ready for the return of my projector.

The next step was to teach' the Harmony remote the new commands. I actually stored them as additional IR commands for the Panasonic AE4000 projector. Except for the Input commands (Which I choose to assign to INPUT1-3 commands) and the PowerOn/PowerOff commands (which were assigned to already named functions, I decided to assign the rest of the commands by using the Learn a New Command' function. This way, I could assign a name which was readily apparent when I decide to implement them. (ex. Pic:Nor' for Picture Mode Normal)

I feel I should make a couple of comments about my experience thus far with the IR232. I really think Industrologic should get the IR232 added to the Harmony database with an IR database of codes and commands which are linked to specific memory positions. Of course, they would also have to provide a file to each new user which shows the links of these codes and commands to the memory position:

Command 1---- M1=1,0,{2}(RS-232 command){3}
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Command 24---- M24=1,95,{2}(RS-232 command){3}

The user would then edit the mapping file and upload it to the IR232. He would then next add the IR232 to an activity on the Harmony. The third step would be to map each Command #' to either a hard or soft key on the Harmony. He would then be finished

That way, this whole business of finding a Sony remote with enough codes and being able to determine the code for each key would not be necessary. (Apparently Sony has reassigned' what the codes do depending on what features that particular model has. As an example, PIP seems to be a thing of the past on most TV's today!)
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Frank1940,

This may be helpful:


http://www.hifi-remote.com/sony/Sony_tv.htm

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I have gotten my AE4000 back from a Panasonic repair facility. (Only eight days portal-to-portal.) I connected every thing back, re-calibrated the focus and zoom settings and connected up the IR232.

I placed the IR232 on top of the projector mount using double-sided Velcro buttons. I used a 2' straight through RS-232 cable with a Null Modem gender mender (M-M) from Monoprice. My Harmony remote had no problems using the IR signal being bounced off the screen.

At the present time, I am using three input changes (HDMI1, HMDI2 and HDMI3), three picture modes (Color1, Cinema1 and Normal), and the discrete power on/power off commands. Everything works great. (All remain AE4000 functions are being done with the AE4000's IR commands.)

It is really fast to be able to change inputs in second or two using the RS-232 commands. rather than waiting for the AE4000 remote commands to walk through all of the unused inputs. Of course, the real pleasure is switching aspect ratios. The only thing that appears on the screen is the 'processing' logo.
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I have gotten my AE4000 back from a Panasonic repair facility. (Only eight days portal-to-portal.) I connected every thing back, re-calibrated the focus and zoom settings and connected up the IR232.

I placed the IR232 on top of the projector mount using double-sided Velcro buttons. I used a 2' straight through RS-232 cable with a Null Modem gender mender (M-M) from Monoprice. My Harmony remote had no problems using the IR signal being bounced off the screen.

At the present time, I am using three input changes (HDMI1, HMDI2 and HDMI3), three picture modes (Color1, Cinema1 and Normal), and the discrete power on/power off commands. Everything works great. (All remain AE4000 functions are being done with the AE4000's IR commands.)

It is really fast to be able to change inputs in second or two using the RS-232 commands. rather than waiting for the AE4000 remote commands to walk through all of the unused inputs. Of course, the real pleasure is switching aspect ratios. The only thing that appears on the screen is the 'processing' logo.

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sounds like you all are happy with the Panny 4000u - I have been considering the Epson 8500ub as well. Any comments. I like the elec. zoom feature on the 4000 but do you use it often?
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sounds like you all are happy with the Panny 4000u - I have been considering the Epson 8500ub as well. Any comments. I like the elec. zoom feature on the 4000 but do you use it often?
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Out of Topic Reply ---- I really like the AE4000. My decision was based in large part on the zoom-and-refocus capabilities of the AE4000. I do not use the auto zoom (It can detect 16:9 material and 2.35 material and automatically switch between them.) feature but, rather, I manually activate the lens switch. I currently have three lens memory positions stored. (2.35:1, 1.85:1 and 16:9) The lens shift takes about thirty seconds (never really timed it) and, in my case, the picture is only mildly out of focus during the change so the picture is still watchable.

I often switch at least twice while watching a disk as 2.35:1 movies usually have the menu in 16:9 and you can't see the options while zoomed out in the 2.35 position. Most special features are in 16:9. Although, there may be 2.35:1 segments contained with the 16:9 material. (That is one reason I leave the auto switch off.)
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sounds like you all are happy with the Panny 4000u - I have been considering the Epson 8500ub as well. Any comments. I like the elec. zoom feature on the 4000 but do you use it often?
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Since I have 1:2.40 screen but sometimes watch 1:1.78/1:1.85 material the auto-detection and switching is the most important feature of the Panny (beside it's picture quality .
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Out of Topic Reply ---- I really like the AE4000. My decision was based in large part on the zoom-and-refocus capabilities of the AE4000. I do not use the auto zoom (It can detect 16:9 material and 2.35 material and automatically switch between them.) feature but, rather, I manually activate the lens switch. I currently have three lens memory positions stored. (2.35:1, 1.85:1 and 16:9) The lens shift takes about thirty seconds (never really timed it) and, in my case, the picture is only mildly out of focus during the change so the picture is still watchable.

I often switch at least twice while watching a disk as 2.35:1 movies usually have the menu in 16:9 and you can't see the options while zoomed out in the 2.35 position. Most special features are in 16:9. Although, there may be 2.35:1 segments contained with the 16:9 material. (That is one reason I leave the auto switch off.)

I have my configured to switch between scope (2.40 in my case) and 16:9 automatically. For 1:85/1:2.20 material I use preprogrammed buttons on my Harmony 1000 to switch to it from 16x9 (anything not scope will default to 16x9 in my setup and the pj will automatically adjust to 16x9).

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... auto-detection and switching is the most important feature of the Panny ...

Does anyone else find it anoying when watching TV and it's continually zooming between each commercial? Even when PVR'ing, the 10 second skip back to catch the beginning of the next segment can be long enough to get it to zoom out and then zoom right back in when the program starts again.

It's a great feature, but it sure needs some refinement. An option to get rid of PROCESSING would be great, and some means of selective disabling of auto-zoom would be nice (like 1080p signals do autozoom (Blu-Ray), but 1080i signals do not (PVR)).

Are you listening Panasonic?

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Does anyone else find it anoying when watching TV and it's continually zooming between each commercial? Even when PVR'ing, the 10 second skip back to catch the beginning of the next segment can be long enough to get it to zoom out and then zoom right back in when the program starts again.

It's a great feature, but it sure needs some refinement. An option to get rid of PROCESSING would be great, and some means of selective disabling of auto-zoom would be nice (like 1080p signals do autozoom (Blu-Ray), but 1080i signals do not (PVR)).

Are you listening Panasonic?

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For non-Harmony users there is a nice little utility here that generates Sony codes in Pronto Hex format:
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin..._generator.zip

You also have to install Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 (which is free) for it to run.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...ng=en#Overview
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Just got the Industrologic IR232 last nightworks like a charm. Only snag I ran into was none of my laptops have a friggin' DB-9 serial port and I didn't have a USB to DB-9 adapter on hand. Luckily one of my older desktops still had a DB-9 serial port, so I solved that issue. Whole setup took me about an hour and most of that was mounting the IR232 and IR distribution block on the ceiling behind my AE4000.

I must admit that nailing down the syntax for the RS232 commands would have taken me a bit longer if Wojtek had not posted up this how-to, so a big thanks for that.

At this point, the only thing I programmed into the IR232 is direct Lens Memory accesseverything else I use on a regular basis already has direct access via IR commands. I may add some other RS232 commands in the future if I find a need.

All-in-all, a very easy solution to Panasonic's oversight of not providing direct access to Lens Memory presets via IR.
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